Hourglass Restrictions on Certain Items (Bonecallers and Curse cannons/wraithballs)

By not allowing players to go into the battle with some of the supplies they collected, they might as well make it so that every HG match resets all your supplies and pockets to a default state, so it's fair. Is it fair to another player if I took the time to buy pineapples and they didn't? I have to eat once to fill my health and I get 10 full health bars. If they only have coconuts, they don't even get 2 1/2 health bars. Is it fair then to allow players to have purchased fruit or other supplies? Is it fair to someone in an HG match if they only lose because their opponent spent more on supplies beforehand? That has happened to me. Some matches I have only lost because I ran out of supplies with no way to get more. Does that make it unfair, or does that make it part of the game? Sometimes you run out of ammo, sometimes you run out of boards, sometimes you don't run out of anything. Sometimes you only ran out of boards because your opponent had better aim than you, sometimes because your opponent bought/collected more boards than you. Is it unfair, or is it just part of the game?

@potatosord "I have to eat once to fill my health and I get 10 full health bars. If they only have coconuts, they don't even get 2 1/2 health bars." Also take into account that they have to eat twice to get less than the same benefit as me eating once, so it takes 2x as long and uses 2 food items while I only use 1 and don't have to eat twice.

Hourglass is the "competitive " side of Sot

No. No it isn’t competition. It just pvp, sporting and unsporting. No need to add rules because you going blind….

Hourglass is just cutting out the middleman of sailing around. If you found pvp without hourglass you be fighting the unknown as well. That is open world

@burnbacon HG was never marketed as the competitive side of the game, it's only marketing was PVP on demand. If you are signing up for PVP on demand, you better be ready to do some PVP.

A friend and I were on a sloop heading to a fort of the damned, when we got krakened. A sloop heads over to us, player gets the board, but got taken up by the kraken. Player boards again, this time we take him out, defeat kraken, and get ready for a naval fight.

My friend was on cannons, while I was on helm. They eventually sink. My friend goes over to see what they had, while a player got a backspawn. He swims over to my ladder, I blunder him off and drop sail, he throws skeletons on me, so I just say, "GG sir."

He then messages me back, saying it was not, in fact, a "GG", since we used resources on them (curseballs and skeletons) they didn't have. I told him I'll use any resources I have on my ship (we were very well stocked afterall) to defend ourselves. Keep in mind, they chose to come over to us while we were krakened, yet that's perfectly fine, yet it's not acceptable for us to use our resources on them?

I asked him if I was allowed to eat a pineapple, even though my opponent doesn't have one. What about chainshot? Before I engage another ship, do I take inventory of what my opponent has, so I know what I can/can't use? He never answered me.

I've sunk a lot of ships in the time I've played this game. I've been kegged, mega-kegged twice when we invaded an alliance doing a FotD, curseballed, wraith, dealt with allianced ships, you name it. Having surprise mechanics only makes my friends and I better players, knowing full well that anything can happen at anytime, and we need to be prepared for it, instead of us just having safe battles of just cannonballs. If you want a plain match, that's on you, but don't expect others to comply, as no one owes you any type of safer match.

Fair conditions were in the arena and it was a separate competitive game mode. Hourglass is not a separate game mode and certainly not a competitive part of the game. It is the same open seas just with intentional rather than random PVP.

Is it fair when at the start of a battle one boat has 700 wooden planks and 2000 cannonballs and the other has 35 wooden planks and 90 cannonballs?

Is it fair when a random galleon or two brigantines can get involved in a fight between two hourglass sloops?

Seems more like whining about curse cannonballs after losing a battle to someone you'd probably call «Curse spammer».

@brat2rus In the season 8 SoT TV stream where they announced HG they talked about how third partying was part of the design. It's not meant to be competitive, it's always been described as "on demand PvP"

No, some members of the community may decide that hourglass is competitive only and choose to play in such a way. But the devs have specifically not allocated it as a separate mode so restrictions should not be placed. Why should players who have taken more prep time be punished. It doesn't feel great to lose to curses etc but generally most crews won't have enough to win more than a single battle with it. It has been months since I've seen a wraithball used in hourglass so thats not even an issue.

Nah.

The wise man makes use of all the tools at his disposal. I don't know where this elitist shlop started on 'only true HG players don't use cursies / callers / firebombs / whatever they want to whine about this week' but anyone anywhere who starts a complaint with "I would've won if they hadn't used [excuse here]" is simply coming to terms with the realization that they're not as good at something as they thought they were. The true 'sweats' and HG/PvP veterans in this game win a match regardless through skill and experience.

It's a blow to the ego and nothing makes the average gamer race to his keyboard or mic faster to spout abuse or condemnation that a blow to the ego.

There's no bull**** "unwritten community rules" that everyone is magically expected to know and follow to be considered a "proper HG player". Simply nonsense that a small group of whiners who are not as good as they wanna think themselves to be trying to impose imaginary sanctions on whole sections of available tools because they THINK it violates some bull**** code of "fair play" or ethics they made up because they don't know how to counter or prevent their use. That is all. Nothing more.

Just make hg use set supplies Rare.

@thegrimpreacher Bro calm down lol. I came back to look at my post and saw this comment. If someone uses a ballastball in a galleon fight and they sink, you can honestly say that you lost because they used something, that doesnt mean anything else, just that item was the cause of the loss. You didnt read my post and argue with it, you are insulting my credibility and character instead of my argument. As my post said, strong items are strong in their nature, they do allow you to win fights because of them, though if you are truly better you will still usually win, I never said anything about "I would have won otherwise", or that it broke the unwritten rules, you just to assume the reason for my writing instead of actually reading it and deciding my opinion based off my argument, instead of my complaint. All I said was I think the items are inherently strong and give an unfair advantage to the wielder, I never said they dont deserve the win, I would have won without etc. You take the highground without even having reading comprehension, talk about the "average gamer"