Steam Achievements Need Serious Love

@hefty-henri Sea of Thieves has added and continues to add achievements on a regular basis. When it came out in 2018, there were 1000 gamerscore worth of points on xbox, now there is 5360. This will continue to go up. Its a game meant to be played. If you are an achievement hunter, AND new to the game, I imagine its a bit of a nightmare. This is a game ment to be played for years, if you want to complete the achievements, be ready to keep playing. Most of the achievemnets are not very grindy, there are a few, Legendary Hunter being one of them, and they should stay grindy.

As someone with 100% I want them to stay as is, as you said, they arent hard, just grindy.

@hefty-henri said in Steam Achievements Need Serious Love:

@captain-coel I've been playing for a couple of years, off and on. Whenever i play, i tend to chip away at the achievements, but it's always a bit disheartening because i know with the way it is now, i will never get 100%.

If you are coming and in and out of the game, its going to be troublesome because they keep adding to it. No way around that. Best is to keep a preadsheet of what you have going on and see what can be done at the same time.

Legendary Hunter is actually one of the grindy ones i don't have a problem with. It's a fishing achievement, and fishing is a grindy activity by nature. What i do have a problem with is for example sailing 1000 miles on voyages for companies, just way too much. I mostly do Lost Shipments or Reaper stuff when i play, and despite a ton of sailing for the Merchant Alliance, i still don't even have that achievement. Let alone the others.

but the 1000 miles is really easy, just always have a voyage down. For me I finished those years ago. GH was done on 5/6/2019 for example. Its just a matter of keeping a voayge down and sailing.

Another issue is that i haven't found fruit crate quests since hundreds of hours ago. This is currently an impossible achievement in practice.

They definitely broke this when they changed bottle messages. They are there, but far rarer. When I get one I make sure to swap out friends for the quest so they get the completion. Again, I completed this a long time ago, most of mine were banana crates...

And in general, many simply require too much time. Kudos to you for being one of the few players to have 100% on Steam (not sure how you ever found the time), but the fact that it's such an exclusive group means the balance is off.

I started on release of the game in 2018, so chipping away for me mostly is just working on new stuff now or grinding to 500 in each faction.

Examples of 100% well implemented in games is Deep Rock Galactic and Hunt Showdown. There's challenge, coordination, some grind. You have to have played for hundreds of hours. But nothing as insane as SoT.

Is DRG adding achievements? I dont play either of those games.

Some in-game commendations and Steam achievements are not achievable if you play with a limited crew with limited time. For instance, certain guild achievements require being in a level 1000 guild, which is unattainable for us. With guilds capped at 25 players and our playtime restricted to holidays and weekends, joining an active guild would likely result in us being kicked for being inactive.

Even if we were active in a guild with a lot of players, and we got closer and closer to reaching level 1000, it would still be incredibly stressful. You could in theory get kicked at any time, wasting hours, days, and maybe even months of progress that you now lost.

We used to have plenty of time for 5-8 hour gaming sessions a day, and I’ve logged nearly 2500 hours on this game, which is one of my favorites. However, as my free time has decreased over the years, seeing some achievements out of reach discourages me from trying.

Just to add, I love chasing achievements and commendations, when it is fair. I got all the Arena commendations before they closed it, and I'm nearly done with selling all the fish to Hunter's Call (Still need those Blackcloud Wreckers). I used to hide when people were doing Ashen Lord events just so I could steal the Chest of Rage.

@hefty-henri said in Steam Achievements Need Serious Love:

@captain-coel said in Steam Achievements Need Serious Love:

Is DRG adding achievements? I dont play either of those games.

DRG has had achievements for a long time, they just never add any new ones, so get 100% once and you will keep it. But it still requires serious play time to get 100%. And by serious i mean like 500 hours, which i already consider to be a hefty amount of time for a game like that.

500 hours is nothing for a live service game that just passed its 6th anniversary of content being added.

@pergund said in Steam Achievements Need Serious Love:

I’ve logged nearly 2500 hours on this game, which is one of my favorites. However, as my free time has decreased over the years, seeing some achievements out of reach discourages me from trying.

The fact that you played 2500 hours and don't have all achievements should be enough info by itself for Rare to heavily change the achievement system on Steam. That should be enough time 4 times over. Getting caught up to new achievements should take even less time.

Why should getting caught up take less time? Achievement/commendation hunting requires a different thought pattern than just playing the game. If you want the achievements put in the time.

Sea of Thieves doesn't have enough ''difficult'' achievements, and the grindy ones are so grindy, i'd basically have to quit my job for a year to even attempt to get them

Are you planning to quit anytime soon? Last I heard this game has a 10+ year plan. You still got time, no need to do such things. And with each season tends to bring new achievements/commendations. So it’s endless.

But if you rush, you ruin the fun

@hefty-henri said in Steam Achievements Need Serious Love:

@captain-coel You are speaking from a position of being able and willing to play Sea of Thieves almost exclusively, for years, for many hours a week. This is not a realistic position for 99,9%+ of the population. Should 100% Steam achievements be locked to this tiny fraction of players, ever? They certainly shouldn't.

Why not? This game has had achievements added to it for 6 years. Most of the longest to complete are from the original game, a game meant to be played for 10+ years. If someone is a 100% seeker, this may not be the game for them, as they will add more achievements next season.

@hefty-henri Sorry for a second reply. Here is a list of what I imagine are the most time consuming achievements

These are the only "long" achievements imo
Sail 1000 miles OoS
Sail 1000 miles GH
Sail 1000 miles MA
-These can be passively wroked on while just playing the game
50 fruit crates
-These are just bugged right now
Legendary Hunter of the Sea of Thieves.
-Currently a tricky one to force, but it can be done fairly quickly with a crew.
Seeker of Grand Adventure
-All original tall tales 5 times and all comms for them. This is one that can take awhile. It can also be cheesed and finished in a weekend.
Feedine the Flame
Athena's Greatest
The Order's Finest
Gold Hoarder Incarnate
Employee of the Month
-These will take a minimum of 5 months, how ever you will be working on the other achievements at the same time. May take longer if you dont actively place in the top 25% of ledger.
** the secret one **
-Could be quick, could take a long time to get the needed help. worth doing
Distinguised Guild Legend.
-Need a max level guild for this. It would take a long time to grind a guild there. But you could cheese it by joining a preexisting level 1 guild and just grinding it out.

I am curious, what achievements do you have a problem with that would take too long?

@hefty-henri said in Steam Achievements Need Serious Love:

@captain-coel I already finished the ledger achievements, i'm not new to the game. Still nowhere near the 1000 miles ones. Nowhere near 250 voyages for GH or OOS. Basically 0 fruit crates or keg deliveries. Not done any real fishing but i'm saving that for if i genuinely want to go for 100%, which is probably never because of the way it works currently. Done a little hourglass but still hundreds of hours to go on it. Tall Tales im halfway done with Shores of Gold, and already got all commendations on Pirates Life and Monkey Island. I'm on 0 chests of fortune because every time i do the world event with it, it gets contested, i PvP for 2 hours and then have to log off without any loot because i just don't have the time.

The bottom line of it is basically that combined, it just takes too much time. I'm not talking about commendations here, purely about Steam achievements which in my opinion should be doable to 100% without dedicating most of your free time to one game for a decade. Like i mentioned before, there's other live service games i play like DRG and Hunt. I got 100% on those, it took hundreds of hours spread out over a couple of years, and frankly it should never take more than like 500-1000 because most people simply don't find the time. SoT is certainly not the only game with botched achievement times on Steam, but it's the one i love and actually would care to 100%.

DRG and Hunt have not added achievements to the game. They still only have the base game. SoT has decided to add achievements with each DLC. It doesnt take too long, you just dont want to put the time in to do it. Its not botched, you just dont like it. And for people joining now and looking at the list of achievements, its daunting but that because they have alot to do.