Pull the "Rust" move; profit for Rare + more peace on the forums, + no additional server resources lost

@r3vanns this isn't the game they want to make, that's why it hasn't happened. They want to make a pvpve game.

All games are not for everyone.

Doing something like this would require more developmental resources and time spent making it happen and that could be spent on the actual main game. SS is great for the audience that understands what's its for? it's terrible because it's given people hope there will be a more robust pve mode.

I hope Rare sticks to it and keeps pushing updates to higher seas and giving safer seas some of it. An exclusive pve mode is not needed.

An exclusive pve mode is not needed.

I mean... if it wasn't needed, this topic wouldn't be a recurring one for years, and on a daily basis.

And there's a difference. We're not talking risk/reward anymore. And this should actually appease all 3 sides of the spectrum: HS crowd (and I mean all), Rare (as extra income) and PvE players.

1. This literally wouldn't affect at all HS crowd, since nothing transferring
2. No fights for risk/reward on the forum
3. I'd leave it to Rare to decide if its worth it or not. More income on this, more money to spend on resources for the main game. We can look at it from this angle as well. Also, there is one thing to demand something for free - that's not ok if you're not willing to pay for it + it's a waste of resources. But having to pay some really really good money for something could justify such demand. And Rust is an obvious proof that it actually works. You take 1 step back, to make 2-3 steps forward.

Still, I appreciate your comment.

As much as I appreciate other games do it so why doesn’t Rare? It would be incredibly boring and then you’d have the whiners on here demanding more PvE content because there’s not enough for them to do.

I’ve played on Safer and High Seas and the one thing I always miss incredibly, is other player interaction. Having the whole sea to yourself is boring, it’s quiet, and it’s lonely.

SoT is a Shared World Adventure Game (SWAG) and being shared requires other players to enjoy fully. A PvE only mode is not what makes Sea of Thieves, Sea of Thieves.

@r3vanns said in Pull the "Rust" move; profit for Rare + more peace on the forums, + no additional server resources lost:

An exclusive pve mode is not needed.

I mean... if it wasn't needed, this topic wouldn't be a recurring one for years, and on a daily basis.

And there's a difference. We're not talking risk/reward anymore. And this should actually appease all 3 sides of the spectrum: HS crowd (and I mean all), Rare (as extra income) and PvE players.

1. This literally wouldn't affect at all HS crowd, since nothing transferring
2. No fights for risk/reward on the forum
3. I'd leave it to Rare to decide if its worth it or not. More income on this, more money to spend on resources for the main game. We can look at it from this angle as well. Also, there is one thing to demand something for free - that's not ok if you're not willing to pay for it + it's a waste of resources. But having to pay some really really good money for something could justify such demand. And Rust is an obvious proof that it actually works. You take 1 step back, to make 2-3 steps forward.

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Still, I appreciate your comment.

If you want a pure pve experience, go play another game. all games are not for all people.

@captain-coel

If you want a pure pve experience, go play another game. all games are not for all people.

If you don't like me suggesting something on a channel meant for suggestions, go to another forum. Not all forums are for all kinds of people.

@Tesiccl

As much as I appreciate other games do it so why doesn’t Rare? It would be incredibly boring and then you’d have the whiners on here demanding more PvE content because there’s not enough for them to do.

Let people decide if it would be fun for them or not, and Rare if it's worth considering or not. Regarding whiners, people whine anyways, so it really doesn't matter what they're whining about. Like, right now you're whining about something that's not even related to the base game, nor to its regular playerbase (HS+SS).

I’ve played on Safer and High Seas and the one thing I always miss incredibly, is other player interaction. Having the whole sea to yourself is boring, it’s quiet, and it’s lonely.

That's you. That's not other people. Especially not the crowd that wants it.

SoT is a Shared World Adventure Game (SWAG) and being shared requires other players to enjoy fully. A PvE only mode is not what makes Sea of Thieves, Sea of Thieves.

Hence, a suggestion for people not like you, Coel, and the rest of the gang, but for the other ones, while at the same time SoT remains what it is, on both HS and SS.

To clarify even further:

1. This post is not about HS vs SS, and risk vs reward, SS restrictions, etc.
2. This post is not about PvP/PvE/PvPvE debate
3. This post is not for adventure mode players
4. This post is not here to poke any toxic discussions, nor start fights

This post is:

1. Only for those who will either leave the game completely, or never migrate to HS
2. A suggestion to RARE, and to check if people that fall into this category would be willing to pay for such a DLC, and if so, how much.
3. To bring up some other suggestions regarding such DLC from people that fall into this category

If you do not fall into this category, or your intention is just to troll for the sake of trolling without staying on topic - please don't. Just move to another thread. And I kindly ask moderators to help in maintaining a civil behavior/discussion here.

Back to complain about PvP again I see.

@rambobrad said in Pull the "Rust" move; profit for Rare + more peace on the forums, + no additional server resources lost:

Back to complain about PvP again I see.

If you do not fall into this category, or your intention is just to troll for the sake of trolling without staying on topic - please don't. Just move to another thread. And I kindly ask moderators to help in maintaining a civil behavior/discussion here.

Just dropping this here. Have a good day.

@r3vanns splitting the playerbase further into more subcategories seems counterproductive too. It’s also a waste of resources and energy just to see if people actually want it or not. You could argue till you’re blue in the face, believing you’re right and that a majority of people want your idea, but as you said earlier, you’re just one person with an opinion, and already according to the feedback in this thread, you’re in a minority.

@tesiccl said in Pull the "Rust" move; profit for Rare + more peace on the forums, + no additional server resources lost:

@r3vanns splitting the playerbase further into more subcategories seems counterproductive too. It’s also a waste of resources and energy just to see if people actually want it or not. You could argue till you’re blue in the face, believing you’re right and that a majority of people want your idea, but as you said earlier, you’re just one person with an opinion, and already according to the feedback in this thread, you’re in a minority.

Give it some time instead of getting to the point of being blue in the face of trying to lock a forum topic you don't like.

Also:

If you do not fall into this category, or your intention is just to troll for the sake of trolling without staying on topic - please don't. Just move to another thread. And I kindly ask moderators to help in maintaining a civil behavior/discussion here.

@r3vanns keep the accusations to yourself thank you. Regarding your copy and paste reply, we are all entitled to critique ideas on this forum, if you don’t like the criticism, then re-read the forum rules and understand them before you post again.

@tesiccl
I would accept a critique if it was one. The thing is, none of you actually said anything related to the suggestion. Re-read what a suggestion is, before replying. Once you do, try to stay on topic and criticize the topic as much as you want.

@r3vanns I’d suggest you re-read the replies, because everything has been on topic in relation to your suggestion.

@tesiccl
Yup re-read it.

This is a topic not for players like you (which I stated), and you're providing feedback on something that is not your concern anyways. That said, you shouldn't even be here - hence, by default, you're not on the topic.

Doing "me, me, me" regarding a mode that you'd never play (pay for) and that it would be outside of the regular mode (and wouldn't affect regular mode) is literally a definition of not being on topic.

@r3vanns why isn’t it my concern? We are all PvPvE players on the seas, and wanting to split the playerbase up into PvP or PvE only is not what Rare are about. I think it’s obvious you do not like the PvP aspect of the game, and as mentioned earlier, not every game is made for you. So instead of wanting to change the core nature of the game and what makes it, it, maybe play it the way the devs intended?

@r3vanns said in Pull the "Rust" move; profit for Rare + more peace on the forums, + no additional server resources lost:

@tesiccl
Yup re-read it.

This is a topic not for players like you (which I stated), and you're providing feedback on something that is not your concern anyways. That said, you shouldn't even be here - hence, by default, you're not on the topic.

Doing "me, me, me" regarding a mode that you'd never play (pay for) and that it would be outside of the regular mode (and wouldn't affect regular mode) is literally a definition of not being on topic.

It would affect regular mode, as it would steer less hositile people towards your PvE server.

@tesiccl @lem0n-curry

Because currently, PvE oriented players either:
Give up on the game, so no extra Emporium purchases
Anyways stay on SS (will never switch to HS), or if they do switch to HS - well that was the point of playing SS in the first place, right? To move on to HS, so they anyways wouldn't spend money on such a DLC nor come back to SS (only for TT and fishing maybe).

Since you're ALREADY hosting SS servers, you'd actually not lose any additional resources, make some decent profit and possibly lower retention by people going full PvE on DLC instead of ditching the game completely (or never wanting to leave SS). Just think about it. Instead, (hopefully) many would pay the extra for such experience (single player/co-op) + probably dish out additional money for cosmetics down the road.

@r3vanns legit cannot make sense of this.

@tesiccl said in Pull the "Rust" move; profit for Rare + more peace on the forums, + no additional server resources lost:

@r3vanns legit cannot make sense of this.

It is legit showing. Hence I again suggest that you move to another thread, since this really isn't the one for you.

@r3vanns said in Pull the "Rust" move; profit for Rare + more peace on the forums, + no additional server resources lost:

@tesiccl @lem0n-curry

Because currently, PvE oriented players either:
Give up on the game, so no extra Emporium purchases
Anyways stay on SS (will never switch to HS), or if they do switch to HS - well that was the point of playing SS in the first place, right? To move on to HS, so they anyways wouldn't spend money on such a DLC nor come back to SS (only for TT and fishing maybe).

You forgot about the people who while they don't like the PvP part (or care much for it)- but take it as part of the game and deal with it (e.g. by staying out of side of other crews).

Since you're ALREADY hosting SS servers, you'd actually not lose any additional resources, make some decent profit and possibly lower retention by people going full PvE on DLC instead of ditching the game completely (or never wanting to leave SS). Just think about it. Instead, (hopefully) many would pay the extra for such experience (single player/co-op) + probably dish out additional money for cosmetics down the road.

If more people would go on solo crew servers (SS or your PvE servers) - it would cost more money (as they would need 6x more servers than servers where 6 crews are roaming the seas).

It would also cost development time and money to make those adjustments to the game to facilitate these PvE servers.

@lem0n-curry

You forgot about the people who while they don't like the PvP part (or care much for it)- but take it as part of the game and deal with it (e.g. by staying out of side of other crews).

I actually didn't:

This literally wouldn't affect at all HS crowd, since nothing transferring

HS would stay the same. SS would stay the same. Nothing would change, as it admittedly - shouldn't anyways.

so they anyways wouldn't spend money on such a DLC

For not spending money on such a DLC = staying in HS, but away from other crews. Because they like it, right?

If more people would go on solo crew servers (SS or your PvE servers) - it would cost more money (as they would need 6x more servers than servers where 6 crews are roaming the seas). It would also cost development time and money to make those adjustments to the game to facilitate these PvE servers.

As I told Tesiccl before: Let people decide if it would be fun for them or not, and Rare if it's worth considering or not.

@r3vanns for forum users benefit, including my own, maybe re-word your previous reply, as it’s not understandable. Thank you.

@nohr-tenko

But the SoT forums, for the PvPvE game, SoT, is meant for people who like PvPvE games.

Same "rule" was for Rust. Yet here we are.

It's only natural when you suggest an idea that would change the game at a fundamental level, to make it something it was never designed to be, that there would be pushback.

To which I said in the post: HS would stay the same. SS would stay the same. Nothing would change, as it admittedly - shouldn't anyways.

It's like asking to make a souls-like easy.

And that's why there are mods or trainers. Which again proves the point there is a need for such stuff.

And out of curiosity, why would people buy this DLC instead of just joining an alliance server or some-such?

Because:

1. why server hopping for who knows how long till you join the correct one
2. why depend on random discord people telling you what they want to do in-game/what's been made a priority for that specific alliance server

It's actually very simple.

@tesiccl I hate to say it and I always thought I wouldn’t have to say this….. but I see this coming in some shape or form. Rare has backpedaled on a lot. They said time limited was time limited…… I guess until they figured out people would pay 💰 for it. We are now seeing curses for sell in the emporium. This isn’t the game we started playing and if you can’t see the shift in the tides I think you should watch closer. I honestly think this game will offer a pve server or mode of sorts in the future. If or how they will separate the progression on each remains to be seen.

@jon-sea-nah if this is where they end up going with it, then I’ll be sad, but I’ll still advocate for keeping how the game was. I am keeping a close eye on things but I think there’s too much hope being held by those not keen on the pvp element of the game, constantly pushing to change it. I hope Rare defies them forever, because SoT is SoT because we have a mixed bag playstyle in this huge sandbox.

@tesiccl if you look at my old posts I’m in your camp…. I just keep seeing Rare doing “little” things they said they’d never do, the little leads to bigger and then bigger

The original little was rerelease of time limited cosmetics

The next bigger step was a curse in the emporium

Separate progression? Yeah sure Who care those Who play on custom servers Will never touch the main game anymore.

Anyway Is useless,doesnt work with sot,sot progression doesnt exist at all and its pointless per sé. Only the social part Is the part Who keep this alive.

If people are so eager to pay extra for a separate progression and game, why not just buy a separate different game that already caters to what they are looking for instead of begging the devs to change the game for a majority of people who got into it for what it's meant to be in the first place?

Unbalancing the population will change things for everybody, no matter how hard you try to make it seems like it won't.

@jon-sea-nah said in Pull the "Rust" move; profit for Rare + more peace on the forums, + no additional server resources lost:

@tesiccl if you look at my old posts I’m in your camp…. I just keep seeing Rare doing “little” things they said they’d never do, the little leads to bigger and then bigger

The original little was rerelease of time limited cosmetics

The next bigger step was a curse in the emporium

AFAIK they never said they wouldn't put a curse in the emporium; they wouldn't put items there that you could get in the game.