Double gunning is so much easier for PvP.

There's a reason it's meta. It's the best in terms of balancing damage output and ease of use. There's also the point of transferable skills from other FPS games.

It is possible to be fairly competitive with the sword but you're at a disadvantage from the start. I've spent alot of time playing the finals lately and that game highlights how lethal guns are in SoT. Melee weapons are pretty lethal in the finals.

Rare appear to be recognising this though, quick swap patching, double barrelled pistol changes and attempts to make the sword more reliable with block are steps in the right direction. Wouldn't be surprised if more balance patches are in the pipeline.

maybe you are just a god?

fwiw its supposed to be inferior in PVP, you can launch with it and glide thru the water for 50m having a sword, you can swordhop right thru another player, you dont have to reload it. it is supposed to be worse. it also makes a lot of sense to compare one weapon to a loadout.

yeah i dont play sword cause blundy/eor is better.

orly

i dont think you have the hours or knowledge to assess weaponbalance. neither have i.

I did the opposite today, I switched to a sword.

Oh my lord it's so easy, hitting multiple people with 1 swing while they cant shoot me because they can't shoot through their crewmates. Just holding block so other sword users cant touch me. Cancelling missed sword lunges by interacting with an object on the ship (is that an exploit?). ENAS out of your mind and bait shots so you can just walk up and m1 people. It's been great fun.

@savvystraw37257 it doesn't matter what kind of weapon a player uses. Only the skills of the favourite weapon are decisive. Local situations that happened once do not give an objective result. I chop gold skeletons with a sabre, what are you talking about? Double gun something didn't help them... )

@savvystraw37257 All right, expert...

thats not true, a gally bilge always has a sword for the movement.

The sword is absolute rubbish

I swear past month I’ve seen posts about how the sword is OP and such XD

@savvystraw37257 The only time the sword is at a disadvantage is when your opponent has a pocketful of pineapples. You can just eat through sword combos over and over and over and over.

It's not the weapons that need a change. It's the pineapple (maybe even heals in general)

@savvystraw37257 Regarding the sword lunge, I've long thought it could use a rebalance. The idea is...Create a Heavy and Light sword lunge attack...

Light = Block+Lunge
-Enhanced mobility (like today)
-Reduced Cooldown penalty for missing target (maybe 50% of the current penalty)
-Lower Damage to 45

Heavy = Lunge (no block)
-Reduced mobility (like today)
-Standard Cooldown penalty (like today)
-Increased Damage to 80

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Beyond that, I do still feel like, if you're only given coconuts and you've got 2 evenly matched pirates deck fighting, the sword user will win 6 (or more) times out of ten.

First, go ask Shockwave, Blurbs, or Beard why they use sword. You'll get slightly different answers, but the overarching theme will remain. They are good sword users because they switch weapons. The overwhelming majority of sword users that complain about double gunners are the ones that completely forget that they have a second weapon to use in their loadout.

Then, go watch the cracked/creator event when DB and Coop absolutely decimated the field. Coop was sword boarding and absolutely memeing on all the double gunning crews just to prove a point.

Is sword good against double gunning? Not particularly...but is sword+secondary weapon good against double gunning? Abso-freaking-lutely.

since Rare doesn’t have the courage to shake up the meta properly

All in good time my child, all in good time…

@savvystraw37257 Blurbs has literally beaten Boxy (and other double-gunning savants) in deck fighting multiple times. Very even matchup. And Coop literally meme'd on a server full of double gunners in competition to prove a point.

Like I said, bad sword users are ones that forget to switch weapons.

Double gunning is easier to hit your skill ceiling in than a loadout that includes the sword. That, I'll absolutely 100% give you. That's part of the reason you see so many double gunners. The other part is because double gunning is just more satisfying and fun.

@savvystraw37257 I am a double gunner. 85% of the time when I get killed its from being pushed with a sword and getting hung up. Sword is still viable, and the mobility is unmatched. Since I main helm I personally dont need the mobility but 2/4 of my crew still run sword and do quite well. We are a sweaty galleon and typically go a few weeks without getting sunk in hourglass.

@savvystraw37257 said in Double gunning is so much easier for PvP.:

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Boxy has also beaten Blurbs many times.

Proving that what I said is that it's an even matchup when the pirates are evenly matched.

The point stands more PvP’ers run Blunderbuss + EoR than they do sword and it’s because sword is the weakest weapon in the game.

Based on what? That makes absolutely no sense.

Sword definitely isn’t OP it can’t be it’s literally the weakest weapon in the game. In order for a sword to win generally a skilled double gunner had to whiff.

Then how did Coop slay out a bunch of double gunners in competition? We're talking about a server of peak talent double gunners (where heals were standardized) and the sword user won...over all of them. And it wasn't close. It was the fastest Cracked/Creator finals that Tru has ever hosted.

@locke5474677 i have 400 days in game and even though I personally run double gun, there are plenty of people that run sword blundy and do just fine. Im most often killed by a good swordsman over a double gunner. A good swordsman will wait for me to be empty on both guns and push. If I dont have the room to bunny hop away im dead. Its why I rarely take a fight below deck on my galleon. My advantage is to sit back and hit quick scopes and one blundy when i get pushed. But if im empty im dead. Imo its all about the skill of the player over the weapons.

The meta is the meta because it works.

Personally I don’t think “a meta” should exist. We have 6 weapons now to choose from, 2 should not be the “best choice” for all scenarios. Force all players to run sword + 1 weapon of their choice. It’s balanced, mobility is equalised, and we will have to adapt our loadout for the situation, not just stick to 2 weapons constantly.

@savvystraw37257

But will everybody else accept this?

Considering the uproar from the shower avoiders when they changed quick swapping, I doubt they’d stay quiet. From a balance perspective though and making combat and movement fair, I think it would be excellent.

@savvystraw37257 I do agree the blunderbuss needs a nerf, but I'd say it's not the nerf you might think.

@savvystraw37257 sagte in Double gunning is so much easier for PvP.:

@sweetsandman

The point stands more PvP’ers run Blunderbuss + EoR than they do sword and it’s because sword is the weakest weapon in the game.

thats not the case, they run it cause both guns are very good at a very specific thing that people dont want to miss out on in PVP. there are other loadouts that are strong, but nobody runs them because of their limitations. lets just take your example from boarding a sloop with no preassure. people using blundy/sword on sloops are superpainful to deal with if they are decent(most of them arent tho). if you are fighting on a sloop blundy/sword is certainly better than blundy/snipe. but i has limitations, if somebody is kiting you well u have no chance, you cant snipe from the water, you cant snipe from ladder.

if you want to board a ship and somebody is ladderguarding you and you cant get on, pistol/snipe is way strong than blundy/snipe. you can 2tab somebody on the ship from the water.

if you are in a solo/duo fight demasted pistol/snipe is stronger than blundy/snipe aswell, you can 2 tab someone from boat to boat.

people run blundy/snipe cause its good long range and its good closerange. not because the sword is bad.

i do think there are things that need to be looked into tho, X-canceling guns is one thing, pineapples are another, i dont know why somebody thought its a good idea to give the best standard food ingame also 2 bites.

also your opening is articulated very well, i guess we can all agree that smapping m1 at another pirate is way easiert than double gunning.