Could you please remove the ability to dive in the red sea? Was chasing a couple ships turned around and they dive while they in the red sea. I think that's really cheap. Pretty sure it gets around dropping treasure out of the red sea.
Red Sea diving?
Any loot on board is lost while diving, and in theory the loot should be moved out of the red sea to the closest post on the edge. (though this is an edge case that may not have been accounted for, so who knows)
As for diving, they must've put some distance between you because you can't dive while another ships is close by.
@knurd9369
Looked no loot spawned possible they didn't have any but still don't think you should be permitted to avoid death by diving while in red sea. To be honest didnt seem like they were that far.@jon-sea-nah said in Red Sea diving?:
Personally, I keep the shores of gold checkpoint so when cheeky people think they are gonna be cute they get a little surprise
Nah man this ones legit I don't mind that tactic.
Was chasing a couple ships turned around and they dive while they in the red sea. I think that's really cheap. Pretty sure it gets around dropping treasure out of the red sea.
So they out ran you chasing. And you’re upset because?
As they said, Red Sea loot is moved just outside the border of the Red Sea. So any loot is retrievable
So if you’re upset about any loot being lost, you got the answer. If it’s about runners making it to the Red Sea and you not getting satisfaction of sinking them and calling it “cheap”. Try better next time XD
If they managed to dive while in the red sea then thats fair. Any loot they would have had would have returned to the closest safe waters to them, so you would have gotten it. If you got nothing then they had nothing and they just didnt want to deal with a fight with nothing and got out of it creatively.
@burnbacon said in Red Sea diving?:
Was chasing a couple ships turned around and they dive while they in the red sea. I think that's really cheap. Pretty sure it gets around dropping treasure out of the red sea.
So they out ran you chasing. And you’re upset because?
As they said, Red Sea loot is moved just outside the border of the Red Sea. So any loot is retrievable
So if you’re upset about any loot being lost, you got the answer. If it’s about runners making it to the Red Sea and you not getting satisfaction of sinking them and calling it “cheap”. Try better next time XD
The whole reason loot gets moved out is because players exploiting the red sea as a means to escape conflict. It was always a cowardly approach at playing the game. "Nah nah" I win you don't get my treasure. The red sea shouldn't be an area where you can dive to escape death, it is a punishable area to keep players out. I have no problem with a person out running me and diving, it's a game element now.
It's like when you play battlefield, and a player is snipe camping the area that out of bounds for you.
I'm not sure if loot gets moved out if players dive, that much hasn't been tested on my part. But if it does not get moved then what is the point of having loot move if people can exploit it this way.I always get the response from people who don't see the bigger picture, sorry if you get sunk a lot and you have to take it out on me.
If you leave the server because I'm chasing you it's actually a compliment. Doesn't mean I want people just creating another means to coward their way out of a fight. It's about them being able to dive to get out of a red sea death. (Cheap)@goldsmen said in Red Sea diving?:
If they managed to dive while in the red sea then thats fair. Any loot they would have had would have returned to the closest safe waters to them, so you would have gotten it. If you got nothing then they had nothing and they just didnt want to deal with a fight with nothing and got out of it creatively.
I am not mad about loot or sinking them, I don't think the out of play area should be used for diving. Your ship is about to be destroyed as a punishment for sailing out of bounds you dive and get a freshly repaired ship with all elements intact.
And I don't know how the loot spawn works exactly does it wait for the ship to sink before moving it, or does any loot dropped get relocated before the red sea.This was more of a concern for how the function of the red sea works not supposed to be people telling me deal with it.
Honestly, I don't feel you should be able to dive while your ship is taking any form of damage.
I don't think you should be able to dive when you have a player tucking on your ship.
And lastly, I don't think you should be able to dive in the red sea... specially when your ship is being busted to pieces.I can understand however if they don't want to make it so you can't dive when a player is on your ship.
@xtremedogg The way i see it, if the enemy player has no loot, is not a threat to your loot or anything to give you reason to sink them other than cause you just want to sink them, then them diving "to escape death" is fine, and pirates can run or escape you through any means they like.
No one else has to play by your rules, we are all pirates and we play by our own code. I sink anyone who comes my way or is where i need to go. Anyone who runs has just as much right to escape through any means as creative as they like, as i do to shoot at people parked at the outpost im going to sell at. We are pirates, and dont have to follow any honor code beyond the basic rules of the game. Just cause you feel cheated out of an easy/free kill that you had no intent behind other than cause you could, does not mean they were in the wrong.
@goldsmen said in Red Sea diving?:
@xtremedogg The way i see it, if the enemy player has no loot, is not a threat to your loot or anything to give you reason to sink them other than cause you just want to sink them, then them diving "to escape death" is fine, and pirates can run or escape you through any means they like.
No one else has to play by your rules, we are all pirates and we play by our own code. I sink anyone who comes my way or is where i need to go. Anyone who runs has just as much right to escape through any means as creative as they like, as i do to shoot at people parked at the outpost im going to sell at. We are pirates, and dont have to follow any honor code beyond the basic rules of the game. Just cause you feel cheated out of an easy/free kill that you had no intent behind other than cause you could, does not mean they were in the wrong.
You keep repeating the same thing, it's pointless to contest I wrote a whole paragraph explaining why it's cheap, but you don't get it.
They implemented a system to stop people from using the red sea as an exploit.
People still exploit the red sea by not dying and staying in it.
Or diving and keeping the emissary status when they should've been at the bottom of the ocean for being in the red sea for too long.These people were not running the whole time we had a great battle then they decided we would best them, took a 20-minute chase for them to go red sea and dive to keep their supplies and emissary.
People will keep exploiting ways to escape death I get it, but I was more so giving feedback to devs not trying to debate it with people that think this is how the game is meant to be played.
@xtremedogg Cheap does not matter, as far as i see it, sinking a ship you see as an easy target for no reason other than they are easy is cheep.
Since its clear you only want an easy sink and nothing more, i will take my leave by quoting phuzzy. Nobody owes you a fight.
@goldsmen said in Red Sea diving?:
@xtremedogg Cheap does not matter, as far as i see it, sinking a ship you see as an easy target for no reason other than they are easy is cheep.
Since its clear you only want an easy sink and nothing more, i will take my leave by quoting phuzzy. Nobody owes you a fight.
You don't read what I say and reply to it. I even wrote we had an epic battle no one was an easy target. They attacked us first but that is irrelevant. My means behind wanting to fight them isn't the topic of this discussion.
Honestly, I don't know what is worse the people that run away from all pvp or the people that try to fight realize they can't and run and hide and using exploits to escape combat when it's not in their favor.They don't owe me a fight, but they shouldn't get away with all their stuff intact either, diving in an area I can't chase them.
@goldsmen said in Red Sea diving?:
@xtremedogg You can justify it how ever you like, my point still stands my friend.
You don't have a point you just counter mine with misinformation. I told you 100 times not about the fight nor the gold.
"They don't owe me a fight, but they shouldn't get away with all their stuff intact either, diving in an area I can't chase them."@xtremedogg said in Red Sea diving?:
@goldsmen said in Red Sea diving?:
@xtremedogg You can justify it how ever you like, my point still stands my friend.
You don't have a point you just counter mine with misinformation. I told you 100 times not about the fight nor the gold.
"They don't owe me a fight, but they shouldn't get away with all their stuff intact either, diving in an area I can't chase them."There was no misinformation, just disagreement about what should be allowed. If you dont have anything to add other than arguing that my opinion is wrong or disingenuous, i believe im done here, so have a good day/night.
@goldsmen said in Red Sea diving?:
@xtremedogg said in Red Sea diving?:
@goldsmen said in Red Sea diving?:
@xtremedogg You can justify it how ever you like, my point still stands my friend.
You don't have a point you just counter mine with misinformation. I told you 100 times not about the fight nor the gold.
"They don't owe me a fight, but they shouldn't get away with all their stuff intact either, diving in an area I can't chase them."There was no misinformation, just disagreement about what should be allowed. If you dont have anything to add other than arguing that my opinion is wrong or disingenuous, i believe im done here, so have a good day/night.
Your aloud your opinion, but you don't listen to mine proper before replying that is what upsets me.
When a ship sinks to the red sea it drops its treasure and barrels and stuff right?
I should be able to go retrieve said items, right?
Well after they dived there was literally nothing. No supplies, no treasure, no emissary flag.
So, this makes me think, hey diving is a way to get around dropping your supplies to a red sea death.
I go to a forum to bring this up to devs, sure enough I am stuck in a debate with people babbling at me about creativity and well that's your opinion type stuff.@knurd9369 said in Red Sea diving?:
If you believe it's a bug then report it to support.
No-one knows how often the devs read the forums but I doubt it's constantly monitored by them.
thank you a good suggestion.. I do have a clip of it .
Video is here you can decide, we searched up and down for the loot on the outskirts, not sure if birds were coincidence or their loot.
@xtremedogg That's the Shores of Gold in the distance - that explains a lot!
That area of the red seas falls into a more grey area in terms of rules. You can pass through that area if you have the right tall tale checkpoint activated (because the tall tale allows you to pass through).
They went that way, activated the checkpoint, and then dove once they had enough distance. The birds were where their loot/supplies were.
AFAIK the rule about moving loot out of the red sea does not apply to that area of the map (north east corner).
@xtremedogg Nah. They already made it so any treasure will move to the RS boundary. If you couldn't catch the fleeing ship, that's your problem - and it sounds like there was already a great enough distance between you two, so it's unlikely that you'd have caught them anyway.
Red Sea or the rest of the sea, they would have dove when out of the 2 or 3 block range. Rare doesn't need to add more handicaps for chasers, let's stop asking for more, and start owning that you won't always catch a fleeing ship and deal.
No one owes you a fight.
Unless you believe the red sea somehow changed the mechanic (in which case bugrep) they got far enough away from you to dive in which case fair game. It used to be 2 squares before you can dive, may have been reduced but I'd still say it's well over 1 square which means they outran you, the direction is irrelevant
@xtremedogg They used the Shores of Gold Checkpoint to get the Shroudbreaker to get to that portion of the red sea. If you haven't done it yet, that Tall Tale starts at Morrow's Peak. I know you used to have to complete all the previous tall tales to start that one, not sure if that has changed.
@knurd9369 said in Red Sea diving?:
@xtremedogg That's the Shores of Gold in the distance - that explains a lot!
That area of the red seas falls into a more grey area in terms of rules. You can pass through that area if you have the right tall tale checkpoint activated (because the tall tale allows you to pass through).
They went that way, activated the checkpoint, and then dove once they had enough distance. The birds were where their loot/supplies were.
AFAIK the rule about moving loot out of the red sea does not apply to that area of the map (north east corner).
Thanks for a helpful answer, rather then the spam bot response ppl keep spamming. "No one owes you a fight" I was very aware of shores of gold mechanic I just didn't realize they were able to dive in any part of the red sea.
@xtremedogg I must agree that for consistiency of idea of Red Sea no one should be allowed to dive there.
@xtremedogg It's not a spam bot response, just because you don't like or agree with it - it's a fact; no one owes you a fight and to expect such is pure entitlement.
@ghutar Nah. If a chasing ship allows a fleeing ship to get more than 2-3 blocks away, and the fleeing ship dives (no matter the location, red sea or not) that's entirely on the chasers. Red Sea already penalizes people enough as is, we do not need to give more handicaps/easy wins to chasers.
@valor-omega said in Red Sea diving?:
@xtremedogg Nah. They already made it so any treasure will move to the RS boundary. If you couldn't catch the fleeing ship, that's your problem - and it sounds like there was already a great enough distance between you two, so it's unlikely that you'd have caught them anyway.
But which one though if they are near the Shores of Gold, due South or due West ?
@lem0n-curry It was my understanding that Red Sea'd loot would appear at the closes boundary to the player. I don't know for 100%, though (I don't waste more than 10 minutes chasing players ever).
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