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Phant's point is still valid.

Once a boat has loot, once it has dove (dived?) to a WE it cannot dive again without losing all its loot, and the new dive-target WE's have been designed to not get you to grade 5, so many people will keep on going once theyve done their Raid.

Tucking at a fresh WE may not get you a diver ship, but youre still going to have people doing them.

IMHO this kind of behaviour is part of why a server seems to be empty.

Also if you're on a world event that none of the other 4 crews are interested in, you're keeping it "alive" on the server while one or more of the other crews might be waiting for another one to pop-up.

You still might have a crew sail to you if they want to do an emergent world event.

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one to pop-up.

You still might have a crew sail to you if they want to do an emergent world event.

The only think i can say is.. i hope its true. But clearly, I can't help but think that even these pirates will probably just do a quick voyage or two to reach grade 5 instead of saying, "Oh yes, let's do this world event that will take us 30 minutes to sail to."

That's a risk you take with this tactic. Same as before Season 11.

Now, perhaps when people dive to another server it may move some people in who actually want to do the world event you're tucking on.

The dive feature should not make it more easy for tuckers on non-active world events to get someone to them.

Ah yes... the other side of the coin lol.

Actually used diving to get away from an overly friendly brig earlier. PvP hunting has changed again lol

@littlematjab forts are making me about 200k an hour. how are they not worth it?

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@soulstinger2k20

Knowing people who do the Normal World Events, they do it once and sell the loot even before reaching grade 5 cuz they are too scared to loose it. Still, I believe it significantly reduces the chances of a ship showing up quickly if they can only dive on a World Event when I'm not there. So yeah, I'd like to see that. It remains to be seen. But I'm pretty sure the chances have significantly reduced.

It's only been 35 hours thats season 11 is out. let's wait and see how people adapt and play.
obviously you don't pay full attention to what rare said in the deep dive video they explicitly stated that upon testing people complained about people being able to select an event and have it select one that someone was already doing leading to it being a fight over the event more than doing the event and as such prevented this from now happening.

And i agree you should not be able to dive to a event that would then make it "contested" for the simply reason BALLANCE yes you could happen to sail on bye and decide to also do what ever event i'm doing but then if i sink that's my fault for not paying attention to the sea's however if i sink because some random dude appeared instantly that would rage alot of people and did

This update has changed nothing. How exactly can no one tuck on a world event? All you have to do is go to the one that is up and tuck, which is no different from how it has always been. Others diving to a world event doesnt stop you from tucking on them the same way as you always have.

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And i agree you should not be able to dive to a event that would then make it "contested" for the simply reason BALLANCE yes you could happen to sail on bye and decide to also do what ever event i'm doing but then if i sink that's my fault for not paying attention to the sea's however if i sink because some random dude appeared instantly that would rage alot of people and did

Well, why did they put world events in fast travel then? That's my point; it's not great. A world event is supposed to be contested, with ships being analyzed to figure out who's going for it. It's not meant to be just an ordinary voyage.

WATCH THE VIDEO FROM RARE EXPLAINING THE REASON THEY ADDED IT!!!

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This update has changed nothing. How exactly can no one tuck on a world event? All you have to do is go to the one that is up and tuck

...because now poeple just dive in to it and its always a fresh one, non actived...
facepalm

That doesnt mean you cant tuck on it. Most people dont just go to an unactivated world event and sit there for an unknown amount of time until some one else does it. Usually when people want to tuck, they do it at an event they know is being done.

Just because your niche play style doesnt work well with this update does not mean you CANT EVER tuck again. You just have to actually go to something that definitely has people rather than waiting at something no one is, and may not do for quite a long time. And now more than ever you are likely to find that any world event being done probably has some one at it. Especially forts!

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Its not niche, its good player strat

Tucking as a whole is not niche, but going to a normal skele fort before s11, which was the least done world event for a long time, and just waiting for an uncertain amount of time just for some one to show up, that is absolutely a niche play style. If you look up any tucking content before s11, no one was just tucking on forts or ashen winds waiting possibly hours for some one to show up. They would tuck on something that is already active, and those same people are still able to tuck just the same way they always have been.

Seeing i have never heard anyone tuck the way you did, means it is definitely a niche play style.

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@littlematjab said in [If there is no change about this update, a lot of player will leave. (Im not happy)]

Its not niche, its good player strat

Tucking as a whole is not niche, but going to a normal skele fort before s11, which was the least done world event for a long time, and just waiting for an uncertain amount of time just for some one to show up, that is absolutely a niche play style. If you look up any tucking content before s11, no one was just tucking on forts or ashen winds waiting possibly hours for some one to show up. They would tuck on something that is already active, and those same people are still able to tuck just the same way they always have been.

Ok, wow, now I have to explain this. It's simple; in Sea of Thieves, there are only two types of players. Those who go for the loot, and the others who plunder and find all the strategic ways to steal it. So, if you limit the possibilities of stealing loot, you annoy the second type of player in SOT, and it's easy to say "niche" for good strategies, lol. So, Rare doesn't want us to be smart and come up with good strategies?

Seeing i have never heard anyone tuck the way you did, means it is definitely a niche play style.

They are no "nich play style" for tucking ahaha. Theres only one way. you freacking wait, and you move at good timing, cuz the next step is tucking on the ennemy boat

I do not appreciate the condescension. Please at least be respectful.

There are far more play styles than just those 2, and most players play both ways. Personally, i think that waiting on what was prior to s11, the least played world event in the game with the lowest value loot of all world events, for possibly hours is not exactly the best play you could have made, especially since sinking people voyaging around would net you more gold than classic skele forts can physically offer.

As for there being "no niche play style". Playing in any way that is so uncommon that you may be the only person in the world who did it frequently is exactly what niche means. Niche does not mean good or bad, it means uncommon, and the way you attempted tucking is probably as uncommon as it could get, because tucking isnt about just going somewhere and JUST waiting. Go to youtube and watch pace, hitbo, or just about any tuck heavy player, and you will find that at no point have they just gone somewhere that no one was and waited for hours for some one to show up.

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@goldsmen

I don't think I'm being disrespectful; I'm just stating my point. Indeed, there are various playstyles, but just two types of players. I often see people do this, and for me, it's a strategy like any other. Maybe for you, it's niche; clearly, you don't have to wait for someone to go to the world event for that. You can wait in advance and check your map to see if there's a Reaper approaching; then you scuttle your ship to avoid being spotted. It's not really niche; I do that with many people. It's just not your style, so you don't see it.

That is not the only 2 types of players, personally i gather loot and attack others, i dont reclude my self off to only one play style. I know a few people who literally only play for commendations or tall tales and dont care a bit about the loot which goes entirely against your "only these 2" claim.

I have never seen anyone just tuck on an empty fort that only had some castaway or sea farers chests to offer before, which will net you so little cash for time spent. The majority of people who do those forts would have only been swabbies anyways since most other players knew them to not be worth the time or effort to begin with.

The only time i see people wait at some place where no one is, is if they know with 100% certainty that some one who is in the server at that time will go there. A classic skele fort was not one of those cases.

If you really do want to wait and tuck for people now, again, so little has changed, all you have to do at this point is just park behind some rocks near an event with a row boat at the ready, and once some one appears, you just row over. And with the new dive to events offering better loot than classic forts ever offered, you are more likely to see anyone at these events than before.

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@goldsmen

I don't think I'm being disrespectful; I'm just stating my point. Indeed, there are various playstyles, but just two types of players. I often see people do this, and for me, it's a strategy like any other. Maybe for you, it's niche; clearly, you don't have to wait for someone to start the world event for tucking. You can wait in advance and check your map to see if there's a Reaper approaching; then you scuttle your ship to avoid being spotted. It's not really niche; I do that with many people. It's just not your style, so you don't see it.

By the way, I like our discussion ! we both have good points. It's already better than 90% of the people I talk to on this forum. Sorry if I seem aggressive, it's just my way of expressing myself, haha.

This is blatantly false and reductive. You cannot pigeonhole everyone into just two types of players as the vast majority of players fall somewhere in between the two extremes that you are classifying as the two types. There is a spectrum between pure PVP and pure PVE, with the majority of players falling in the middle somewhere. This is why the game has had such continued success.

And the point is right, you are defending a rather niche gameplay style. It doesn't seem that way for you because you surround yourself with similar players, but an echo chamber is no way to judge the total population. Since it is all your see by playing with others that play as you do, you think it is not. In general though, the tucking gameplay has dropped significantly from the early days of the game.

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Its not niche, its good player strat

Tucking as a whole is not niche, but going to a normal skele fort before s11, which was the least done world event for a long time, and just waiting for an uncertain amount of time just for some one to show up, that is absolutely a niche play style. If you look up any tucking content before s11, no one was just tucking on forts or ashen winds waiting possibly hours for some one to show up. They would tuck on something that is already active, and those same people are still able to tuck just the same way they always have been.

Seeing i have never heard anyone tuck the way you did, means it is definitely a niche play style.

yeah same here I see no reason why anyone would tuck on a sea fort as they usually don't get done by people and those who do sea forts ether have no loot or are just fresh swabbies just getting started etherway DON'T TUCK ON DEAD EVENTS

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Majority of tucking plays are done on events already in progress, not waiting at empty ones.

Pfft. Nah man the meta strat is to go to an inactive event and wait there indefinitely, praying that one of the other 4 crews on your server will be interested enough to show up.

Has Rare added a "twiddling thumbs" emote yet?

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@littlematjab said in If there is no change about this update, a lot of player will leave. (Im not happy):

@goldsmen

This is blatantly false and reductive. You cannot pigeonhole everyone into just two types of players as the vast majority of players fall somewhere in between the two extremes that you are classifying as the two types.

It's not reductive.. if I started insulting and becoming really mean, I could say that those who 100% a player of voyages and fishing really have sheep brains. Thats reductive. But that's not my style, you see.

Yes, tucking is difficult to do, and many people don't do it because the servers are empty. Just because we're a minority doesn't mean we should be forgotten. Who do you think the barrel emotes and lying down on the ground are for?

Well, it's niche because tucking is still as difficult and time-consuming. And now that there are only 5 boats in the server, it doesn't make us happy, and even fewer people will engage in this style of gameplay. Don't try to understand; the game absolutely wants to bring in new players. Almost all updates are 90% related to that.

And the point is right, you are defending a rather niche gameplay style. It doesn't seem that way for you because you surround yourself with similar players, but an echo chamber is no way to judge the total population. Since it is all your see by playing with others that play as you do, you think it is not. In general though, the tucking gameplay has dropped significantly from the early days of the game.

And yes, you're right, there are three types of players:

• 60~70% (PvE style): those who do everything to get loot by doing their voyages and don't want to be disturbed.

• 10~15% (PvP style): those who only want to steal.

• 20~30% (PvPvE style) (I also do this sometimes because I need money): do voyages and world events and face the ships you encounter.

But when you think about it, it's only two styles; it's just that you do both styles, creating a sort of in-between. You dont create a new style. It just both a the same time

Reductive (adj) - tending to present a subject or problem in a simplified form

It is reductive BY DEFINITION as you are pigeonholing everyone into just 2 groups, which is false.

Also you are way off on your assumptions of players styles. Pure PVE or PVP are the extreme play styles and overall the minority at either end. It more closely follows a bell curve if anything, with the majority falling somewhere in the middle. This can be be somewhat verified by a) difficulty in finding quick hourglass battles (along with failure of Arena), meaning minimal pure PVP players and b) minimal jump in returning players after introduction of Safer Seas, indicating those players were greatly exaggerating the numbers of those who "want to just be left alone". I myself fall into the middle (as do a large number on thse very forums) - I may prefer one over the other during a given session depending upon my goals, but am prepared for anything that happens - a PvPvE player as most are. Just because someone may lean more one way than another does not mean you can reduce it to only 2 types of players.