Reapers Lair, make this more accessible

I would agree that the Lair could use some more features, things to do, shops etc; but having it be exclusive to the "military wing" of the Reapers does make sense.

It also matches the Athena's additional special hideout unlock and shanty-based access as well, giving advanded Reaper playeds some symmetry with Athenas.

I wish we could play our special shanty elsewhere though

Considering it provides nothing of importance unless you are a skeleton, there is no real need to go down there, and putting a tall tale down there just to try to justify giving everyone access is a bit too direct. Unless they put a logical reason that isnt forced to give everyone access, it seems like just a cool reward to unlock.

Having stuff locked behind hard to do things or a long grind gives a feel of some kind of progression, and since the only thing used down there is actually related to that progression makes sense. I dont have it unlocked yet, but when hourglass gets some much deserved love and i do unlock it, it will feel actually earned, not something that needed justification to get free access.

Depends on what progression you need to unlock it. Level 100 would probably be alright for most, but I can see some wanting it as high as distinction level 5, so you truly have to earn it.

@lleorb

I support this, and this is coming from someone who has the skeleton curse for a while.

Honestly the Reaper's Lair are quite neat, but currently it is only used to buy skeleton cosmetics and to obtain or repeat the Skeleton curse ritual. it honestly needs more love.

Just like what others suggested, letting people who reached high levels in reaper (maybe around 75, or at distinction level 1) to be able to go to the reaper's lair to buy Reaper's version of Pirate Legend-only gear and ship parts would be amazing, while locking certain parts of the area that corresponds to the Servants of the Flame or the Skeleton curse just like in Athena's Fortune.

Reapers lair is currently an exclusive area

Game is more about everyone is equal and nobody is locked out of anything. So it was shocking to see this place locked because it only unlocked if I do something I don’t wanna do

Kind of agree. Let it be open by doing something else. Lvl 100 reapers

@super87ghost "However there is a crucial difference between them: you can carry loot into the Reapers Lair and not into Athena's Hideout. People have been using the Reapers Lair already to troll people and hide the loot they stole into the Lair, which makes it impossible for the other crew to take back."

I mean they would just walk 10ft from the lair entrance and sell it instead

@super87ghost Rowboats are really buggy when trying to get them in the lair, it just clips on the side alot of the time.
Also the lift takes ages to go down and stays there a while.

Could probably sell quite a lot in the time it takes to despawn a rowy on the lift, wait for the lift to reach the bottom, then move loot off the lift.

Plus if the lift is down players can just jump down and blunderbomb their feet to negate fall damage.

@super87ghost Yeah that's what I said by despawn. It's literally a non-issue

Just like what others suggested, letting people who reached high levels in reaper (maybe around 75, or at distinction level 1) to be able to go to the reaper's lair to buy Reaper's version of Pirate Legend-only gear and ship parts would be amazing, while locking certain parts of the area that corresponds to the Servants of the Flame or the Skeleton curse just like in Athena's Fortune.

I would LOVE a reaper-version Pirate Legend.

Scourge of the Sea!!

@lleorb said in Reapers Lair, make this more accessible:

@GoldsMen It's not useful yet, because it was designed just for skeletons, but that can and should change. There's no need to make up a story, in fact what doesn't make sense is that reapers with high reputations can't enter that area.

In the current scenario, with so few skeleton skins and nothing to do there reapers lair has become a giant and unused area.

I dont agree that it "should" change, rather that only if there is an actual good justifiable reason that changing it would be fine to change. So a proper reason to justify change, rather than a forced change to justify it for no reason.

The reapers lair as far as i understand it is not just an area for trusted reapers, but only for those most trusted by flameheart him self. Just cause you threw some money at his son doesnt mean he would trust you among his highest ranks.

@lleorb said in Reapers Lair, make this more accessible:

@goldsmen The reason is simple, it is even the same to justify giving the arena tavern a use... it is an area that is too well crafted to be so useless in the game.

That area has a lot of potential for any introduction of things related to the reapers and the plot around Flameheart.

You said you haven't caught the skeleton's curse yet, trust me, going down there will only be interesting the first few times, then you stop realizing the uselessness of that place that was so well done.

The reapers lair as far as i understand it is not just an area for trusted reapers, but only for those most trusted by flameheart him self. Just cause you threw some money at his son doesnt mean he would trust you among his highest ranks.

This doesn't make much sense, especially now when we can reach level 500 with reaper bones, having such a high level and not being able to enter what really is the reapers hideout is very strange, from a narrative point of view. The hourglass is just one aspect of what it means to fight for the reapers.

I do want the arena tavern to return to use, yes, but just to have it would be such a waste. An actual reason that justifies its return is what i want, not just a big empty room that people would stop going to after like a day.

When people unlock the reapers lair, they hardly go down there after the first couple times showing it off, other than to get the new cosmetics they have unlocked.

The means have to justify the ends. Not the other way around. Thats how game design works.

Tbf there’s nothing stopping to ask someone to let you in, like with the pirate legend hideout. It’s an area that’s accessible to those who’ve earned it and put in the hard work for doing so. Is it a large area and “unused”? Somewhat, but once you have the capability, you can let anyone in, that’s the point. If everyone could do it, it would dilute the hard work of those who’ve earned it.

@lleorb

@Tesiccl Lol, I don't want people to go there to look at things, they can do that on YouTube.

Thankfully you don’t control what people do or don’t in game.

The area should not be the reward for lvl 100, the curse is already the prize, because once you release it and unlock the skins you will hardly go back there.

No, Rare said the area and access to the blessing was the reward for hitting 100, same as the extended Athena area.
I’m always back there, I use it to chill out, show newer players an amazing area, introduce them to Hourglass, and do screenshots.

@lleorb The problem is, it sounds like you are only asking for a "use" for the place only to justify a way to grant everyone access to it, which is the ends justifying the means. In game development, ends justifying the means leads to very poorly designed content. If they only added something down there to show the place off to people that previously did not have it unlocked, then it is going to lead to poor content.

They should figure out the content first, and figure out where it fits in best in the world, and if the way it fits in happens to bring players down there, then that is fine, but if the entire intent behind the content is to justify going down there, it will just end up being poor content.

The curse is currently the reason you go down there, meaning that the curse and cinematic was the intended content, and the environment was tailored around it. The curse was not done down there as an excuse to let people enter the lair, the lore was already established, and the environment and access was designed around the curse. So if the reason to add something down there is only added to justify granting free access, then its not a good reason to add that content.

i superstrongly disagree, exclusive content needs to be exclusive content. no chesse, no backdoors, no nothing.

other than that, you just cannot copy it to the other side, lvl 100 reapers is easy, lvl 100 athena is not.

so yeah i dont think there is any special going on down there, but exclusive stuff needs to be exclusive.

items and achievements have been devalued over and over again in this game and its a shame towards the players having these items accomplishments.

in this case its not even an item, you can go and get it, but for some reason you dont want to.

this mentality of wanting stuff but not wanting to do the things tied to it i will never get.

yeah i dont think its special there too. im 430. but ive seen friends of mine struggle to grind lvl100 inlcuding doubleXP sessions, etc and how much it meant for them, i dont want a lvl100 reaper sea fort grinder beeing able to go down there.

they should earn it the same way everybody else had to imo.

@lleorb

I meant that I don't want it to be just a visual area, I want there to be things to do there.... 90% of the people I took down there ask "what is there to do here?"

The answer is always "nothing"

Really? You can’t use your imagination in the slightest and inform players what could be done while you’re there? It’s a sandbox, we create what we choose to do in places, not have it spoon fed. We role play and enjoy the beautiful area for what it is, not because it has to be some afk quest hub.

@lleorb Im going to just leave this here because its clear to me that you wont change your mind. And i am just as steadfast in my stance that the area that is reserved in lore for flamehearts most trusted followers should not just be some easy thing handed out. So i think this is where i part from this debate.