Enable Open Crews for Safer Seas

@siegnard Xbox group finder is the most common choice with instant accessibility. No need for open crew on safer seas.

@tesiccl said in Enable Open Crews for Safer Seas:

@siegnard Xbox group finder is the most common choice with instant accessibility. No need for open crew on safer seas.

It is unlikely that people would know that Xbox group finder even exists. Heck, I did not even know it myself until you told me and I still had to google it to know how to access it. You can't expect people to just know to use those features unless they had prior knowledge of it. Open Crew on the other hand are already right there in the game and is easy to spot.

I'll say there is a huge need for open crew to exist on safer seas.

@otherfanboy said in Enable Open Crews for Safer Seas:

@siegnard Xbox group finder, Find a Crew/Guild here on the forums, or Sots Discord all paces to find players both new and old but also I rarely say anything is "Toxic" in SoT but the Open Crew is one of them and if your learning the game and wanna sail Safer Seas that feels like opening the flood gate to the worst kinda of Trolls ......that or small children

That is a fair concern, but all those options you mentioned requires you to already have prior knowledge of them existing.

It is impossible to expect new players to just access them on the get-go. Heck, I've talked to a couple of them myself during an Open Crew on High Seas with most of them doing their first voyage there instead of in Safer Seas. Mind you, I encountered them weeks after Safer Seas was fully implemented.

The reasoning that was commonly given to me was that:

• They have no friends to play with

• They do not know or want to use external applications to find people to play with

Maybe if Rare decided to implement the Lobby System from the XBox group finder directly into the game - it would be a way better alternative to Open Crew. but until then, I think letting new players gamble with Open Crew would be fine.

@siegnard open crew is quite notorious for risk of crew mates that grief and troll players, using throwables to kill, throwing loot overboard and anchoring. I think newer players would be better off without it.

@hiradc said in Enable Open Crews for Safer Seas:

@siegnard open crew is quite notorious for risk of crew mates that grief and troll players, using throwables to kill, throwing loot overboard and anchoring. I think newer players would be better off without it.

It is risky, yes. But from my experience most of the solo new players ended up going to High Seas instead because they are unable to play with random people on Safer Seas.

Besides, we shouldn't treat new players as if they are babies - just as there are risks of encountering trolls and griefers, there are also chances of them meeting new friends and mentors to play with.

Take it from me who technically haven't played the game for long yet - I started during the middle of last year and I have encountered fun and lovely fellows, some even becoming a mentor to me strictly from Open Crews alone.

I literally did not touch the discord server up until I wanted to report a griefer and didn't know how to.

@siegnard this post and your responses seem very disingenuous.

Posting In a forum saying that new people won't be able to find ways to find a crew, of which includes the forum you are posting in, is just incredibly tone deaf. Not having open crew adds an additional layer of grief protection to newer people on safer seas. It's far more beneficial to sail alone and then do research and find a community to sail with.

BTW with the availability of the internet, it easily takes 5 minutes to find new people to sail with. It is not hard to find looking for group posts and most if not
All gamers are aware of these ways.

Once again. We are here with someone who hasn’t listened to all the mods and devs clearly saying. “What the purpose of SS” is for

And want more added to it because “it better place”

@siegnard daily, I see hundreds of posts from people getting groups together via Xbox group finder. Just because you had no idea it existed, you’re assuming the majority don’t either? No. I get you’ve only been playing for a year but please don’t treat the rest of us like we don’t know what we’re talking about.

@captain-fob4141 said in Enable Open Crews for Safer Seas:

@siegnard this post and your responses seem very disingenuous.

Posting In a forum saying that new people won't be able to find ways to find a crew, of which includes the forum you are posting in, is just incredibly tone deaf. Not having open crew adds an additional layer of grief protection to newer people on safer seas. It's far more beneficial to sail alone and then do research and find a community to sail with.

BTW with the availability of the internet, it easily takes 5 minutes to find new people to sail with. It is not hard to find looking for group posts and most if not
All gamers are aware of these ways.

Apologies if my comment was a bit rude, but I am genuinely concerned about this.

Firstly, I don't mean that everyone was dumb and won't be able to use external services to find people to play with. My concern is that a player's first choice on safer seas when alone won't be to immediately know and use external services unless they are already used to that notion beforehand and you just can't expect literally everyone to follow that.

Especially on a casual gamer's standpoint, most people would go for the path of less resistance - if you just wanted to play without any goal in mind and want to play with others, why would you exert more effort to find people when you can just pick open crews instead?

@burnbacon said in Enable Open Crews for Safer Seas:

Once again. We are here with someone who hasn’t listened to all the mods and devs clearly saying. “What the purpose of SS” is for

And want more added to it because “it better place”

Quite a snarky response you have there - taking a jab at people while distancing yourself from the topic and being disingenuous.

Is it a punishable offence to make safer seas more accessible for new players to play with others? Is making open crew accessible on safer seas somehow detract from the initial purpose of it? This isn't asking for better rewards or enable features like captaincy to make people stay on safer seas instead of the normal gamemode - This is literally just asking for a simple matchmaking system to be available.

@tesiccl said in Enable Open Crews for Safer Seas:

@siegnard daily, I see hundreds of posts from people getting groups together via Xbox group finder. Just because you had no idea it existed, you’re assuming the majority don’t either? No. I get you’ve only been playing for a year but please don’t treat the rest of us like we don’t know what we’re talking about.

I apologize if you took it the wrong way but just because you have seen these external methods been used does not mean that everybody uses them. It feels like from most of the responses here, it was expected that all players would be highly social and extraverted, when in reality there are many types of people with many different ways to approach the social aspect of the game. Just as it can be condescending to assume the majority does not know how to use these features, it is also condescending to assume that the majority would also automatically resort or know how to use this feature from the get-go.

@siegnard

I'm extremely introverted lol.

I wouldn't recommend putting something like open crew in safer. Safer is a curated experience you have more control over....open crew... wellllll.

@pithyrumble said in Enable Open Crews for Safer Seas:

@siegnard

I'm extremely introverted lol.

I wouldn't recommend putting something like open crew in safer. Safer is a curated experience you have more control over....open crew... wellllll.

I can see where you are getting at. Open crew does open up to a possible less than satisfactory experience.

But I doubt that adding this feature would completely detract your experience on safer seas as I do not meant for open crew in safer seas to be mandatory, but to just be an option for other playera to access.

Maybe they could go on the Monkey Island route - selecting them automatically puts your ship on Closed Crew, but you can toggle it into Open Crew. That would still give you control over your sessions while giving you an option for a wild card.

@siegnard that’s not a genuine apology blaming me if I took the words you wrote in a way you don’t agree with. The condescension started when you decided the majority of players didn’t know or could functionally use a feature millions of Xbox players have access to with a single button, across hundreds of games, not just Sea of Thieves.

Perhaps they could allow open crew on SS....along with a banner telling players that if they witness griefing, to record and report? Would you be ok with that? It'd be similar to the warning banner you get for raising an emissary.

If trolls are going to ruin their crewmates' day, they should know the risks.

@tesiccl said in Enable Open Crews for Safer Seas:

@siegnard that’s not a genuine apology blaming me if I took the words you wrote in a way you don’t agree with. The condescension started when you decided the majority of players didn’t know or could functionally use a feature millions of Xbox players have access to with a single button, across hundreds of games, not just Sea of Thieves.

Okay, I see the issue.

I think we had a misunderstanding as I had never stated that I played on PC and not on XBox, so a common feature that is present in the console is just not as common to know in PC.

Agree, it would be nice to have an option for finding shipmates in SS - however, as many pointed out, Open crew, the way it is right now, is not it.

Open Crew is the Mos Eisley of SoT basically.

Untill Rare decides to give the open crew an overhaul you are better of with 3rd party programs, sadly.