There needs to be an alternative way to get Twitch drops

Guardians gotta look out for those they are caring for.

Algorithms are a big part of the online experience. I rarely have that sort of content in my experience because I largely watch SoT or music stuff or woodworking, content that is gonna keep my algorithm from pushing the content I'm not gonna consume.

Twitch is still at a point where it's not the wild west but guardians gotta be involved for those that are younger

Gotta keep those algorithms in check lol. Twitch or youtube or twitter, etc. The experience isn't bad when consuming content in a way that isn't rewarding extreme or unwanted recommendations through activity. The internet can be a wild place but it's less wild now if people are present and intentional in how they browse, that's what guardians are for in these situations with people under 18.

If we are gonna be accountable here, there is a bunch of stuff that popular SoT people talk about in their channels as well. People so often focus on a very specific type of content and kinda put a bunch of the blame on one group doing one thing. There is a lot to consider all over the place if people want to consistently hold a view about what is and isn't appropriate for their household, their kids, themselves.

People aren't inherently "predatory" for creating spicy content nor are they inherently engaging in unethical conduct. There are always threats in this world but a person isn't inherently a threat by engaging is something that others disagree with. Twitch will likely improve with the lessons from creating their own mess recently, and from just figuring things out better as they go along.

Twitch and RARE are two different entities with gaming being unites them to do business.

Unfortunately unwanted content bleeds into it as you stated.

RARE aren't angels either:
Didn't RARE promote and have a community Chick that had an OnlyFans to do a Q&A for this years community day?
Actually idk why I'm asking when the answer is yes.

Yeah, that kinda struck a nerve with me from a company that supposedly cares about kids.

@ix-indi-xi said in There needs to be an alternative way to get Twitch drops:

Twitch and RARE are two different entities with gaming being unites them to do business.

Unfortunately unwanted content bleeds into it as you stated.

RARE aren't angels either:
Didn't RARE promote and have a community Chick that had an OnlyFans to do a Q&A for this years community day?
Actually idk why I'm asking when the answer is yes.

Yeah, that kinda struck a nerve with me from a company that supposedly cares about kids.

Imo this is an inconsistent view and one with bias against female participants specifically.

I could go click many SoT focused channels (including partners) and hear non-stop sexual talk and references and jokes. All day every day. Quite graphic at times.

Do I think any of them are "bad" people for that? nope, if they follow the guidelines they have the freedom to do what they want and people have the freedom to not watch, not recommend, not allow (if in a guardian situation).

It is inconsistent imo.

I also think that out of all the harm that exists, all of the predatory action and conduct, it is unproductive and damaging to put messaging out there that adults engaging in adult activities with guidelines is the problem, that women cannot both be decent leaders for their communities and participate in whatever their personal adult-consent based business is.

It's harmful imo when people so often turn "I don't like/agree" with this into demonizing the person. Disrespecting entire groups over the actions of some.

Predators don't all look or act the same and people aren't dangerous and/or predators just because people don't like something about them.

As far as the type of content you are talking about goes, people (including and specifically women because that's what this so often is about) they can do whatever they wanna do (the beauty of freedom) within rules and guidelines and it's not inherently predatory, dangerous, or unethical to do so. Guardians have the moral obligation to protect their kids without demonizing entire groups of people or using accusations to try to control others in the name of "protecting kids"

If people want to protect kids, be present in their lives, check in, lead with kindness, fairness, and understanding. Raise kids, don't let the internet do the job.

The leadership they grow up with or without will significantly increase or decrease their chances of quality and healthy experiences in life.

@grumpyw01f said in There needs to be an alternative way to get Twitch drops:

You have to at least admit that there are many channels out there that just want to prey on vulnerable male youth. It's true that guardians carry blame for letting their kids on platforms with these risks, but I can still blame those who intentionally exploit this weakness. Those who go on 'Just Chatting' or 'Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches' who are only there to direct watchers to their linktree and get them addicted.

Every category of everything has some people preying on others in one form or another.

Since this is the "protect the kids" "prey on boys" thing I'll give my opinion specifically on that.

I think that boys learn to respect freedom, others, and themselves through leadership. I don't think strong leadership for boys is teaching them that women are out to get them, that a woman making personal decisions inherently makes her less of a woman, less in the community, not worth being treated with respect even in disagreement.

I think that girls learn in similar ways. I think it is harmful to their development to suggest that women around them or in public should be shamed for exercising their freedom as an adult.

If people don't want their kids on twitch then so be it.

Respecting the existence of others and their freedoms is vital in helping a young person develop into a person that chases their dreams while not tearing others down. Disagreeing without demonizing.

The only reason I know about ANY adult content in SoT is because of the people that are pointing it out in a negative way. People that spend their day "protecting the kids" through protest bring far more attention to it than it would ever get without that constant focus.

A person doesn't deserve any less respect or targeted disrespect as a person for making decisions about what to share or not share.

They get to have their way of living, people that don't want their kids on twitch get to have their way of living. Twitch isn't perfect but it has enough guidelines to be a reasonable option for the rest of us that make our decisions based on our preferences.

@grumpyw01f said in There needs to be an alternative way to get Twitch drops:

I point at people who just sit in a room doing nothing but telling people to give them money, attracting minors to **** addiction and you respond to that with

"Protect the kids" is very often misused to push agendas, whether fully intentional or not. It's being done here in this thread to demonize people by labeling them predators through pointing out that predatory behavior does exist.

The very first post in agreement brought negative attention to a gamer that isn't engaging in what is being alleged here.

That's the problem with an accusatory basis for change, it leads to "do things my way or you are this or you support this".

Even in your post you alluded to disappointment in my take even though my opinion is very consistent with how I have conducted myself here for years.

If a change is made it should not be at the expense of those that have done nothing wrong. It's at their expense when people are labeled predators for creating content within the legal guidelines of a platform. "Protecting kids" should not be used as a weapon against others over disagreeing with their type of content.

If people are not following those guidelines then people can go through whatever report system that Twitch has.

And my posts are very relevant to your quote here.

@grumpyw01f Tbh, the exploitation has been going on for years. I think prolly less might get through now that it's out in the open. Not to mention that cleavage streamers now have to compete with uber-cleavage streamers so they can get a taste of their own medicine. I'm optimistic.

But I'm also pro-more-opportunities-for-cosmetics in general. So I think this is a good suggestion anyway.

@grumpyw01f said in There needs to be an alternative way to get Twitch drops:

You are, again and again, reading way too deep into my posts, getting on your soapbox and missing the topic by a mile. I apologize for saying anything about some 18+ streams that I disagree with, taking you off the topic. I'm just surprised that no one seems to shed a tear for those captured by **** addiction, even if the gateway drug was within the rules of the platform.

The 3 most common serious ToS violations that someone is at some point in time likely to hear/read are

Attacks against women about pretty much anything under the sun

Homophobia/attacks against transgender people

Racism

People will say "I just have a problem with the "bad" ones". "I just want kids safe." etc etc

The reality is that a lot of people still do have problems with the above. It's why people can't even talk on a microphone without regularly facing mistreatment and harassment.

I don't say this as a "gotcha" to anyone, I think that people would find a lot of peace in their personal and public lives if they faced their biases, acknowledged the reality that we are all imperfect and sometimes we believe some nonsense about others, and then move forward in a way that aims to build rather than tear down others.

In my view, women specifically and regularly get mistreated through accusatory narratives on this topic. I don't think pushing them truly helps kids stay safe and I think the narratives do absolutely nothing positive for addiction.

@wolfmanbush I don't know about in general but Amoranth specifically is guilty as heck of the narrative.

@crowedhunter said in There needs to be an alternative way to get Twitch drops:

@wolfmanbush I don't know about in general but Amoranth specifically is a bad dude.

I wouldn't know, none of my business, that's the point.

Whatever people do in their personal business is their business.

My conduct is on me, watching out for people close to me is on me. Other people have the freedom to do mostly what they want in their business. If a person violates the law or the ToS of a platform that is on them to figure out for their individual situation.

Something that would be helpful for kids to see is adults taking the productive path in disagreement. Not spending all day going after something or someone to tear it/them down. Spending time supporting and encouraging others, leading to set an example, etc.

Nobody looks good if someone spends all day finding ways to pick them apart. Including me.

Support what is compatible, peacefully avoid what isn't, challenge personal beliefs to make sure they stay current, and have some fun.

@wolfmanbush Well there's a limit to what's reasonable to tolerate. One person in the right place, at the right time, can start WWII while eating a hot dog.

@crowedhunter said in There needs to be an alternative way to get Twitch drops:

@wolfmanbush Well there's a limit to what's reasonable to tolerate. One person in the right place, at the right time, can start WWII while eating a hot dog.

It's a safer less extreme version of what has long existed.

If anything something like Twitch is far safer than many platforms and a lot of spots on the internet. They don't have nearly as much wiggle room in their business model. The people creating the content are generally safer on the platform for the general category of content, being a platform that abides by the law and regularly updates guidelines (even when creating a mess for themselves)is a positive thing.

It's not a platform with violence and extreme stuff. People generally take ToS in their channels very seriously in regards to underage people because ToS is clear on that.

Some people don't like the content, but the platform is MUCH safer than much of what exists out there, safer for everyone involved.

Same goes for the popular fan sites that are used. It's a safer way for people in general and women specifically to go about their business how they see fit.

Twitch's main issue is consistency in decision making which doesn't put people at risk, it leads to a bunch of silly enforcement in comparison to what they allow. Like people's harmless little critter graphics.

Rare's gotta market, they need other platforms to do so. Twitch is one of the safest they have available. Personally I would consider it the safest.

@callmebackdraft said in There needs to be an alternative way to get Twitch drops:

Also, it is about as easy to get NSFW content on youtube as it is on twitch.

Far more algorithm bait on youtube than twitch imo

Twitch only throws a spicy recommendation out there if people in sot chats keep bringing something up.

Youtube I have far more finely tuned for my preference/personality but with shorts and rage bait they really throw stuff out there to get people to click some really specific types of spicy/controversial (for youtube) content.

Twitch far more often sticks to what people enjoy imo.

Both are fine imo but if I were to pick which one I think throws more stuff out there willy nilly I would say it's youtube.

@grumpyw01f said in There needs to be an alternative way to get Twitch drops:

On YouTube, most spicy stuff is just clickbait. On Twitch, its actually there. On YouTube, parents can force SafeSearch so 99% is blocked. On Twitch, a site advertised for 13+, Twitch merely has an "Are you 18?" button if you click an 18+ stream. This will not stop minors from logging on to these streams. All that needs to happen is a minor in the wrong category at the wrong time. And I cannot find a setting that removes these streams from the feed. Again, not worth the risk.

How are they supposed to make up the loss of the engagement when people just wait for it in-game? We already know that a very significant chunk of that activity is only participating for the drops.

The entire point of drops is to generate interest to boost visibility of the game.

It's essentially killing off a significant part of their marketing plan (standard in this space) because some people don't like that some women run their channels how they run them.

People are free to not like/support those channels, not support twitch, have their moral views but it's not on everyone else to sacrifice something that works because people have opinions on how some women run their content channels.

Minors that are not viewing under the supervision of a guardian are violating ToS. That is a guardian issue and responsibility. That is not a spicy content on twitch issue. It's certainly not on people (specifically women) to take the responsibility of a guardian issue/obligation.

A person creating legal content is not responsible for addiction. Is not preying on minors when it is very clearly adult content for adults on a platform that makes it clear.

It's entirely fair to have personal views on it, people are free to criticize content, but trying to gain control while painting people as dangerous is unacceptable as a basis for change imo.

@grumpyw01f said in There needs to be an alternative way to get Twitch drops:

In my opinion, allowing this content to be shown to minors is not legal until it is properly investigated or safeguarded. Putting in your ToS that parents need to be there is just an attempt at a legal safeguard, just like "not responsible for anything flying out of the truck and hitting you" bumper stickers. Especially when you don't need the parent to prove that they are there. Looking through the history of humanity, I wouldn't be sticking with the argument "It's okay because it's allowed at the moment." For example: the gambling streams banned recently.

If you wanna talk about history in the context of this thread it is one of wild oppression to control people under the guise of moral high ground. In this case specifically women.

The overall campaign to target women that are exercising their freedom on twitch is the same thought process that has been used for a very very long time to try to maintain control of an entire group of people.

This isn't about protecting kids. This overall campaign is about turning disdain for others into punishment in one form or another.

People look at twitch and clutch their pearls about adult women exercising their freedom. It's not violent, it's not abusive, the women involved are safer on the platform in that kind of work, they have more opportunity and freedom on that platform and a few others.

Most of the people I know from SoT that even talk about that stuff are married people/couples, 30s and 40s that think it's funny, that enjoy the entertainment of the silliness. That's probably a lot of the people that even watch that stuff, people that find it oddly yet wholesomely entertaining as content.

People act like it's a bunch of predators out to ruin boys. It's people that have the opportunity to be free with other adults in a way that is safer than pretty much any other time in history.

It's not a negative thing that the content exists, it shows that some in this world still live in a world where their freedoms are improving, their qol is improving, their opportunity is improving.

One can find the content this or that and still appreciate that freedom within it existing. The safety of the women involved, that it's an environment that is far improved from the past.