My thoughts on Safer Seas

@dragotech123 said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

I know that there are people that want less restrictions for safer seas, meanwhile others want more restrictions too. In my eyes it is balanced and I'm fine with that. Yeah, as I said, a few things suck to not have, but I'm willing to pay that price for not having to see another mast on the horizon ever again and have fun myself.

It's very well designed. It's not just something thrown together to get more logins or something that has no real substance to it.

Some pvpers have been mocking it with the point that it won't prepare people for pvp. Completely off the mark for the high seas benefit of safer seas. Safer seas increases the chance of attachment to something in the game, increases the chance of people finding their style in the game, increase chance of people seeing this game more as an experience than a game.

If Rare remains committed to the restrictions in safer seas and continues to bring more QoL to the overall game as well as high seas while still keeping risk it will lead to a healthier overall environment. This will lead to improvement as it is currently designed.

I never know what they are up to so I'm always concerned to some degree about changes in the future but if they don't have anything dramatic in the works they have been doing a lot of what will improve the pve/pvp shared experience. Including by bringing in safer seas.

I find it unfortunate lately that SoT and the devs take so much heat in the social areas because the improvement to the organic experience of this game has been serious and significant. I hope the next few seasons continue on (mostly) what they have been doing since season 8.

They got a good thing going right now if they just hold steady and let people settle in.

This isn't about creating skilled pvpers or pvpers in general this is about building up adventurers. It'll work for that. Then people can branch out to whatever they want to.

@wolfmanbush said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

and people really don't have much issue with pvers at all, it's the demanding and entitled approach that people aren't too fond of.

Honestly - the most toxic players in the game are the ones that don't "get it", constantly complain about those who actually enjoy the game for what it is, and continually make irrationally entitled demands that basically amount to: "I don't like this game, so other people should not be allowed to enjoy it either"

I love the addition of Safer Seas, and honestly the PvP scene in this game is horrendous. If I wanted to be called the N-Word or some other slur 80 times by someone I would go play CoD, not this. Safer Seas is a good place to go because the community is pretty terrible. If they ever add a report system, maybe I'll go back to the High Seas, but at this point in the games life... it's just not worth it nor fun to be there.

@gravesilence272 said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

@wolfmanbush said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

and people really don't have much issue with pvers at all, it's the demanding and entitled approach that people aren't too fond of.

Honestly - the most toxic players in the game are the ones that don't "get it", constantly complain about those who actually enjoy the game for what it is, and continually make irrationally entitled demands that basically amount to: "I don't like this game, so other people should not be allowed to enjoy it either"

People are just doing people things.

We all just gotta figure it out as we go. I wasn't always how I am and didn't always see things how I do now. Just a part of livin' to do stuff that isn't great and hopefully that leads to compromise, understanding, and appreciation for the effort of others. I gotta put myself in check regularly.

I value accountability greatly but I'm not looking to give people a tough time over it, just wanna try to offer a perspective that might be a useful resource for some.

@wolfmanbush said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

people things.

"People things" have gotten unacceptably extreme of late :(

@gravesilence272 said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

@wolfmanbush said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

people things.

"People things" have gotten unacceptably extreme of late :(

A minority of voices doing the majority of talking makes things look worse than they are. We are real lucky to be here and to even have the opportunity to bicker over a video game. Unpleasant isn't fun, toxicity when it happens isn't fun, but it's still a fortunate place to be.

This will blow over, people will settle in to how they are gonna play, it'll work out alright overall.

@wolfmanbush said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

This will blow over, people will settle in to how they are gonna play, it'll work out alright overall.

You have a very optimistic viewpoint.

What I see is another "Star Wars: Galaxies" slow roll... that game shutdown once everybody could be a Jedi, because then everyone became a Jedi and then being a Jedi was pointless so everybody quit.

@gravesilence272 said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

@wolfmanbush said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

This will blow over, people will settle in to how they are gonna play, it'll work out alright overall.

You have a very optimistic viewpoint.

What I see is another "Star Wars: Galaxies" slow roll... that game shutdown once everybody could be a Jedi, because then everyone became a Jedi and then being a Jedi was pointless so everybody quit.

Someone's gotta be, might as well be me lol

What they are doing matters more than what they might do.

As it stands right now there is a fair option that is compatible with risk reward outside of high seas. People face serious nerfs for their win conditions.

Their messaging is currently consistent with what their intent is.

Just gonna ride it out and hope they stick to it.

They are always pushing twitch as a part of the deal, they aren't gonna build/re-build anything on twitch without high seas. It doesn't really make sense in their current system to over-do it with safer seas. Maybe that all changes but I highly doubt that happens with a 5+ year old game that was always built around encounters and action. People aren't gonna build channels on safer seas, just like they didn't build them on alliance servers.

@gravesilence272 said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

@wolfmanbush said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

and people really don't have much issue with pvers at all, it's the demanding and entitled approach that people aren't too fond of.

Honestly - the most toxic players in the game are the ones that don't "get it", constantly complain about those who actually enjoy the game for what it is, and continually make irrationally entitled demands that basically amount to: "I don't like this game, so other people should not be allowed to enjoy it either"

Honestly, to me, I find the most toxic players are those who are happy with the (for this discussion, hypothetical) game as-is and tell other players to 'stop talking' and 'be grateful you got anything'.
Those types are trying to shut down any and all discussions they don't approve of because they are happy, and no one but them matters. So no one is allowed to say anything they don't approve of.

They are, in their minds, the unofficial (or official, depending on ego) gatekeepers & arbiters of who can and cannot speak, and what everyone can talk about.
They smother discussions, attack opposing opinions, and even stagnate development on games if they are loud enough to be taken seriously.
After all; They are happy with the (hypothetical, for my post) game as it is now, so nothing should change to make them unhappy.

@guildar9194 said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

@gravesilence272 said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

@wolfmanbush said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

and people really don't have much issue with pvers at all, it's the demanding and entitled approach that people aren't too fond of.

Honestly - the most toxic players in the game are the ones that don't "get it", constantly complain about those who actually enjoy the game for what it is, and continually make irrationally entitled demands that basically amount to: "I don't like this game, so other people should not be allowed to enjoy it either"

Nah. I find the most toxic players are those who are happy with the game as-is and tell other players to 'stop talking' and 'be grateful you got anything'.
Those types are trying to shut down any and all discussions they don't approve of because they are happy, and no one but them matters. So no one is allowed to say anything they don't approve of.

They are, in their minds, the unofficial (or official, depending on ego) gatekeepers & arbiters of who can and cannot speak, and what everyone can talk about.

You've been speaking your mind throughout the day.

There are multiple things that I regularly address where I am pretty much the only person that addresses them here. Takes that plenty of people here are gonna disagree with and might challenge from time to time. That's exactly what they should do, give their opinions, challenge my views if they feel that way.

When views are strong on substance and have a solid foundation then it never needs to get personal.

@mrestiercol said in My thoughts on Safer Seas:

@guildar9194

I'm very sorry, but all you say is one lie after another.

The game is like this and we users don't tell you that, the developers who dropped the anchor in your previous posts have told you that, so here the only one who doesn't seem to understand how things work is you.

It's the devs who end the discussion, because they are tired of repeating the same things ad nauseam. There are not, nor will there be the same rewards in Safer Seas and High Seas, because in one side there is no risk and in the other risk is a central mechanic in the game experience, stop lying to play the victim.

Gatekeep has never existed nor does it exist, that is another lie that you have invented because of your inability to perform certain content that involves a potential danger, such as a FOTD or a FOF. No player forbids you to go and start fighting in that fort, but in a high percentage of occasions they will try to steal it, that's not gatekeep, that's playing Sea of Thieves as intended.

That you are unable to fight for that content, either because you don't want to or because you don't know how, is your problem alone, because you don't have enough experience to fight and it seems that you don't want to have it either, so you yourself are doing this supposed "Gatekeep" by convincing yourself that it's the enemy's fault for playing the game as it was designed.

Nobody here has attacked you until now, I have called you a liar and I have given you the reasons.

The reasons for the exclusion from the captaincy have been explained to you, by veterans like PithyRumble and by the devs... and you are still obsessed with finding culprits and absurd justifications to assert your point of view.

It's not that the game makes us happy as it is, it's that it has always been that way and that system is what made us stay, interacting with other players, not knowing what could happen the next time we sail the seas, which The beauty of this game is its unpredictable nature.

The only thing a PvE mode does is turn the experience into something clonic, monotonous and boring, which is why they would never work and should never exist.

There will be beautiful adventures and unpleasant adventures, as in all stories, but what is certain is that none of them will be the same as the previous one, that is the best thing about SoT.

You try to take away everything beautiful from the game and on top of that make the rest of us feel guilty for opposing such stupidity. Well, my friend, I am very sorry, we are going to continue opposing.

There are people here who have answered you that they hate the PvP of the game and try to avoid it, but they play in an open world and accept what SoT is

Those people are real PvE players, people who accept how SoT works and still maintain their way of playing without trying to change anything, they are people I respect because they adapt to the game, they don't try to adapt the game to them.

Users like you only seek your own benefit instead of adapting to the environment that is offered to you, you cannot be taken seriously because you are selfish people, you only look out for yourself, not for the future of the product, I will never support people like that.

I criticize Rare a lot for their bad decisions, but I admire the way they have maintained their vision of SoT for so many years despite the storms of... that we sometimes throw at them for their bad actions.

I was, as I said, referring to gatekeepers in general and games in general, but go off, fam.
Just know I'm laughing so hard at you insisting gatekeeping does not exist, either in general or on these forums, & that I somehow invented the term.

And I'm selfish why?
Oh, because my stated point of view and opinions are different from yours. I guess my entire post made you feel called out, huh?

Thanks for proving my point about how gatekeepers will attack opinions they don't like.