Quickswapping is not patched still. New videos are popping up and bypassing the changes.

@phantaxus A lot of people would not like this obviously and I personally would not dare to seriously propose this as I support everyone's freedom of choice. But having 2 guns in 1700s themed game just doesn't make any sense. Sword was everyone's bread and butter.

That being said, the game would feel a lot more piratey and show off Rares true vision of the game (imo). I'm sure they allowed this choice of double gunning to give freedom of choice. At the same time, most likely nobody in Rare's office is a competitive FPS player, so naturally they assumed that someone double gunning will be 1 out of 100 and not a 'meta' as it is today.

If they chose the path of what you suggested, they would make a stance and people would have to adapt, perhaps the game would enter a new era, perhaps it would push players away. But it should not be left in a state of exploits for another long period of time. They either need to find a way to give other loadouts a massive buff for a quick kill, remove double gunning all together or find a way to prevent any kind of exploits. Not sure what's best tho.

@phantaxus said in Quickswapping is not patched still. New videos are popping up and bypassing the changes. Rare is incompetent.:

If it is bypassed, enforce sword as part of the load out until it is patched again.

This will send the message that exploiting animation cancelling to continue to quickswap is not allowed

I find the combat to be alot more fun when swords are involved. Only having 1 gun present in the fight increases the TTK quite significantly and now with these sword fixes that backwards and forwards sword duel has returned. The FPS mindset just doesn't really fit the era in my opinion and slower combat that doesn't involve quick double gun kills would encourage casual players to pick up the PvP side more. Nobody enjoys being on the receiving end of a OHK blunderbuss or ~1 second two tap.

Tools Not Rules.
Using quickswap is one thing, but forcing the sword to someones playstyle is a terrible idea.

These new quickswap methods in these new videos are hardly viable, if not at all.
Some of them are literaly the same time as the normal timer, and they think they bypassed it.
So far i only saw one that slightly bypasses it by a split 0.2 seconds wich is nothing compared to what it used to be.

Stop trying to force your playstyle on others that don't want it, and put oil on the fire because you dislike double gunning.
If you still struggle against double gunners in season 10, it is a skill issue.

People can use swords, people can use double gun.

@phantaxus
They patched the old version of quickswitch 3 years ago, because you could literally instantly shoot twice
They changed it to how it then was and they were happy with it, hence why they left it in the game for 3 years
Yes they changed their mind, but saying it wasnt how they intended is a lie that you all keep telling yourself
They even patched the ads glitch you would get while doing it (because guess what up until recently thats how it was intended by them)
Stop twisting everything

Wow….regardless of the subject. But wow, talking smack to a group of people who created a game you play because of a small thing.
Wow….

@lord-spark-0
Yea where did they say that? You have a link?

@lord-spark-0

In the patch notes it says nothing about it being not as intended before, it just says its changed now.

The three year old video is referring to the old version of quickswitch and not to how it was now.

The season 10 vid alright, hes actually wording it as “faster than intended” but pay attention to the tone they choose. They are not calling it exploit, they say its a technique, they dont call people out for using it, they even sort of apologize to the playerbase that incorporated it into their gameplay. Because they know its been an essential part of combat for the past three years.

@lord-spark-0
Btw asking someone for where they get their information from to check for themselves is the opposite of lazy, but you do you.

People at the moment tend to mix things up, just as you do with the three year old vid that to refers to sth completely different.

@wolfmanbush
Maybe you are right there, dont really remember how bad the bug was

But they applied these changes to combat and unwanted effects and did not address or call out quickswapping (for three years).

The only point im trying to make is rare does not consider it an evil exploit and never did.
What you can also take from how they worded it in their first and only official statement on it in the season 10 vid.

Yes they now (or some months ago because the implementation took its time) choose to change it, but saying that if they considered it an exploit and left it in the game for 3 years is doing the rare devs injustice

Ban the video maker. It's an exploit and should be punished.

Of course...everyone who thinks it's an easy fix should click on Rare is hiring link at the bottom of the page. I'm sure you know exactly how to fix it.

@pithyrumble

Ban the video maker. It's an exploit and should be punished.

Of course...everyone who thinks it's an easy fix should click on Rare is hiring link at the bottom of the page. I'm sure you know exactly how to fix it.

@WolfManbush you see, this blindly screaming exploit on here is crazy and nowhere near rares actual stance, even now

@offtherec people actively cheating were using macros to maximize the technique, so it became a lot more widespread and noticeable.

Ladder launching has been a bug/exploit in the game for a long while and it will most likely also get patched out because it is becoming way more widespread.

@reverend-toast

@offtherec people actively cheating were using macros to maximize the technique, so it became a lot more widespread and noticeable.

Ladder launching has been a bug/exploit in the game for a long while and it will most likely also get patched out because it is becoming way more widespread.

Not sure what you are trying to say
Quickswap was used by a big part of the legit playerbase

The amount of people using macros is really low and due to the hardcoded timer before you can shoot theres almost no point in using a macro
(i think there were cheaters that bypassed the timer at some point but i think even that is not possible anymore)

The funny thing is that people are already bypassing the new changes apparently plus the fact that its still possible to qs without any third party software just much more complicated might actually increase the amount of people using macros, but obviously just speculating here

I know this might sound dumb and i previously mentioned it as sarcasm but if they want to allow players to have 2 guns and they keep trying to find ways to shoot quickly without Rare being able to stop it with patches then why not allow the sword to deflect projectiles while blocking?
Doesn't have to be blocked by just raising the sword but more like deflected if timed correctly and your sword intercepts the projectile.
And still allowing the "freedom" of using double guns to whomever wants to but not really an advantage since players can now deflect if you are able to pull it off quickly.

Or another option can be if a player just shot you and he shoots you again, it does not register for a period of about 2 seconds or so. That way it doesn't matter how fast he can pull off the second shot because in that 2 or 3 second time frame when he should be reloading or swapping gun his second shot does not register until that time is up. But this would only apply if you are attempted to be shot by the same player twice in a row, if another player shoots the very second after the first player then it does register.

@eva1977

I mean theres already a hardcoded timer in between shots
And i honestly dont understand why they didnt just increase that to match the time the animation would take or maybe even add 0,5secs to it
It would take away the advantage of shooting faster while maintaining the fluidity of the gamplay

@offtherec Well even if it is hardcoded the issue might be the timeout is bypassed or cancelled the moment you try to do something else just like they have been doing.

@cpt-sockmonster 0.2ish seconds was the time you saved by quickswapping prior to season 10 as well.

@lord-spark-0

But its not changed now if players can still do it. And the fact that they patched it implies its not intended. The patch notes accompany the video they put out where verbally they stated its not intended

Just because you change sth doesnt mean it was broken before, it just means now you want sth to be different sure and thats my whole point
Yes they changed it, no they do not consider it an evil exploit and never did

Old version? Quick swapping 1 way or another is still Quickswapping. They didn't fix it.

There is, without a doubt, a massive difference between shooting within basically the same millisecond or having a hardcoded timer in between shots that blocks you from shooting for a moment as it was now.

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You're really reaching here. Insert meme of moving the goalposts.
No, Mike clearly stated before that Quickswapping is not intended.
They tried to patch it now and restated in the video is not intended.
The fact they they tried twice to patch it, regardless of how long it takes (and my point is that they keep trying and a 3 year gap proves they are not good at trying to patch it), proves its not intended..

I dunno what you want to argue.

Maybe read my posts? Instead of trying to make fun of me
Then you would know, but i guess im the lazy pirate

Even if they say its not intended (only in one video they released 2weeks ago, nowhere else) they clearly dont call people exploiters for using it.
Rare accepted the mechanic as a feature for three years and now changed it.
There was a long period where they were not actively working on anything around qswapping and as you can see it doesnt take them three years to make those changes once they actually wanted to. They never tried patching the current kind of quickswap before.
Thats why im saying you are mixing things up.

The problem with all the people claiming it was an exploit all along is that thats just not how rare sees/saw it, it does not help the discussion at all and everybody is just trying to bury actual criticism under “Exploit!!!”