The gun shooting glitch that allow players to shoot like 30 to 40% faster than they should ?

  • Stew360
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    Ok first of all i am one of those who stopped playing SOT in 2019 of so compleatly after RARE had ruined the gunplay for me being a pistol/blunder user wich required skills and muscle memmory training swaping weapons and firering was instant and i was fine with it since everyones were able to do the same without cheese or hacks or macro .. Now i have start playing the game again .

    RARE then to FIX the double gunning went to far and outright ruined the entire game by making firering after sprint on a outrageously bad delay and so on .. it was unbearable ..

    Now rare have fix this and made gunplay fun again but ... it seams peoples have exploited the game once again to be able to shoot faster after swaping weapons this is cheating abusing this should be bannable in my opinion

    Now lots of players abusing some sort of glitch especially the blunder snipers players combo ...

    I wish rare will fix this exploits BUT WITHOUT ruining the gunplay like they did few years back when the so call " FIX " the double gunning .. I like a even playing field .. now the gunplay is in a sweet spot " beside mess up hit reg " but overall the timing of thing is fine but this glitch / exploits should be ended and players abusing it should be suspended or banned

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  • RLKaa
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    This is something that should be implemented in the game and not removed. For a better quality of battle. explained to everyone.

    A player who is very good at swords will always win against a less good player and a player who is very good at DG will also always win against a less good player. this adds a form of mastering which is normal. and offers great fights.

    But hey, UNFORTUNATELY, those who don't make an effort or beginners must be able to compete against old players experienced in this game...

  • a10dr4651
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    @rlkaa

    A player who is very good at swords will always win against a less good player and a player who is very good at DG will also always win against a less good player. this adds a form of mastering which is normal. and offers great fights.

    What about the part you missed where two equally skilled players, 1 double guns with animation cancel and 1 uses sword plus gun, the sword user will lose most engagements. Doesn't seem balanced to me. Double gun is meta, it's pretty much a requirement if you want to be competitive in high skill PvP. It's time for it to finally be brought in line with sword+gun.

  • Red0Demon0
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    @rlkaa said in The gun shooting glitch that allow players to shoot like 30 to 40% faster than they should ?:

    This is something that should be implemented in the game and not removed. For a better quality of battle. explained to everyone.

    A player who is very good at swords will always win against a less good player and a player who is very good at DG will also always win against a less good player. this adds a form of mastering which is normal. and offers great fights.

    But hey, UNFORTUNATELY, those who don't make an effort or beginners must be able to compete against old players experienced in this game...

    Nope, you're not thinking about the bigger picture, if you want a fast shooter we already have call of duty and a bunch of other games like it. NPC enemies will be too easy to kill across the board. Balancing would be a nightmare. This glitch needs to go, if they plan to evolve the combat I wouldn't mind more weapons or tools but a faster weapon reload isn't the answer

  • Stew360
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    @rlkaa Iam sorry but abusing glitch isnt a skills , skills are developped whithin the constraint of what the game mechanics should allow .. They need to fix it or ban those who use it since it is basically cheating according to RARE own politics using a exploits to get an unfair advantage is cheating ... Might not be hardcore hacking but still cheating ...

    This BXR like non sens isnt skillfull especially with those using macros to achieve it without a sweat ...

    Everyones should have access to the same mechanics right off the bat

  • Stew360
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    @a10dr4651

    Double gun is totally fine .. and Sword is the most skill less things into the game with all the stuntlock/stagger it create and its spamability .. Thats said the animation cancel and the exploits is indeed imbalaced because 2 double gunner with equal skills if one use the exploits with macro and the other dont every engagement the one using the glitch has 30%+ chance to win everytime the fight reset

  • Stew360
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    @red0demon0

    Please stop the COD comparaison ... SOT is more in the realm of Old school Unreal tournament or quake like gameplay with projectiles weapons such as rockets etc.. wich was fast pace arcady gameplay ... COD has nothing to do with anything here so stop using it pretending if SOT has fast pace shooter it make it COD .. It make it much more like a Unreal or Quake game if anything and its already like this since launch ..

    RARE have tried to slow down the gameplay in SOT by forcing insane delay on ready weapon and insane stunt lock mechanics and so on and the game felt terrible and we stopped playing it for years .. Now things are a bit better and the game feel ok beside these no skills exploits they consider skilled ..

    Thats said you have a point THIS GLITCH need TO GO !

  • a10dr4651
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    @stew360

    Double gun is totally fine .. and Sword is the most skill less things into the game with all the stuntlock/stagger it create and its spamability

    Thats not correct. Running forward spamming M1 requires no skill yes. Actually getting the most out of the sword by sword hopping to dodge incoming fire, using the extra mobility to your advantage be a hard target to hit and combining the sword hop with attacks requires a pretty decent amount of practice just in the same way double gun takes abit of practice. Difference is double gun has transferable skills from FPS games.

    I could point you in the direction of a few highly skilled sword users who would heavily disagree with your statement.

  • RLKaa
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    @red0demon0 @a10dr4651

    If there is a tutorial and everyone can do it, it doesn't change anything, as happened with the sword dash, your arguments are flawed.

    The macros are something else that we have nothing to do with and with or without animation cancellation will always be there for some bad players.

  • a10dr4651
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    @rlkaa who mentioned sword dash? Apples and oranges between the two. Ones accepted and provides very little pvp benefit, the other provides a significant benefit that breaks the game balance.

  • RLKaa
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    @a10dr4651

    That breaks the balance in your opinion.
    Others believe that it is experience that speaks. And the beauty of the gameplay
    There are very good sword players who THEY manage to make the difference against a Dg.

  • Stew360
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    @a10dr4651

    Sorry to be the one to bare the news but SOT is far from Mount & blade or even Mordow or chivalry in terms of sword skills and play required .. the sword in SOT is a laggy joke .. with movement lag , exploits and so on .. the side step jump you are able to perform as a sword warrior are laggy as hell and register poorly into the live environement .. Sword mindless slasher is all there is in this game especially the sloop warrior also Sword either on purpose by design or by its laggy nature mess up hit reg of blunderbuss or pistol where the mindless swordman gets like 2 to 3 blunderbuss shot straight into his face and yet wont register a single damage or it will mitigate enough the damage for him to win this fight he should have lost ...

    Sword play is the most casual and easy spamable thing into the game ..

    Also RARE should have reajusted the amo count of weapons to compensate for the introduction of SUPER FOOD like the pinnaple etc.. wich make the amo count insanely to low compare to the old days of banana times where the only food was banana and healed about 1/3( now less than this ) since superfood updates .. Now a fully equipped pinapple lord can empty your entire amo pool and then rush you with his Infinite hit sword

  • Stew360
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    @rlkaa
    BANNED this should be it .. Those who use glitch / 3rd party / exploits to get unfair advantages over others should be banned ... this is RARE own User Agreement .. What you are saying is that Hacking and cheating isnt wrong because there is tutorial on them ? Like really ? Because basically everyones can download a hacking software and install it and play SOT with it ... since everyones can be hackers its fair ? Is it what you are implying ?

    Ppls should play the game as designed and not find glitch and exploits to get unfair advantages on others period its the way ( fairness ) in games work .

    Getting 30 % faster shooting speed between weapon is a big deal ...

    Either rare make the switch faster for everyones without glitch .. either they remoove the glitch and banned those who abused it

  • RLKaa
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    @stew360

    What you say doesn't make sense.
    pressing SHIFT to do this is not complicated. it's not an .exe that you downloaded and a large part of the community uses it, so go tell RARE to ban all these people there they will laugh in your face. It's just that you don't know the mechanism and you just find out that they are using it. Like me too at a certain time I discovered that. There was also an exploit at a certain time on the sword and it was implemented in the game (long dash sword) And the long sword dash is also not explained to new players, is unfair?

    . And I ask for a tutorial of the game not a YT tutorial....

    Many things are not explained in the game but it is up to you to discover them through your experience. This is what differentiates players from experienced players

  • Stew360
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    @rlkaa Its a unintended glitch , which makes it a exploits if you reproduce it to get an advantage and if you get a unfair advantage in PVP because of it , its cheating literally and its a fact .. exploiting game weakness or glitches purposefully and consistently to get unfair advantages is basically cheating and is against the rules .. Will RARE banned those peoples IDK but they indeed should i would at the very least give them 1 final warning and 2 weeks suspension .. then if they do it again .. Banned

  • RLKaa
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    @stew360

    SO, I repeat it one last time. That's why it should, in my opinion, be implemented in the game with a tutorial, just as the sword dash was an exploit that was implemented.

  • Merlin MAV K
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    Calling any pvp combat in this game “skill based” is kind of bizarre. It’s so slow and deliberately clunky that bragging about tactics that game animation cycles or weapon switching is like thinking the height of football is getting off a play when the defense is trying to make a substitution. Sure it works when done right and has a very one sided outcome but is that what anyone came to see?

    The lengths that people go to to lionize pvp in this game and hold up such things as its natural state never cease to amaze.

  • WolfManbush
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    It'll be interesting to see what the future holds for combat, if they ever make any serious changes

    naval is generally where the game shines for combat imo, whether people enjoy naval or not I think they did well at the design

    I feel there are parts of the weapon design that are cool but to me I always saw it more as a weakness than a strength for the game. Not that it isn't fun for some and I've never been one to dismiss skill I just never felt it was/is a highlight of the game overall as an adventure game.

    as someone that never saw it as a highlight of the game I suppose I am more optimistic than perhaps many at around my stage of experience.

    They will never make combat pleasant for everyone but if they make combat less unpleasant for more (especially those that produce treasure) they will likely see even more of an improvement of activity in the game. Improvement for those that produce and there is more to steal and more to steal means higher quality organic pvp.

  • RLKaa
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    @merlin-mav-k

    In all multiplayer games it is possible to stand out from others thanks to his experience and skills. When you have more experience in the game you will understand what it is about.

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    @rlkaa said in The gun shooting glitch that allow players to shoot like 30 to 40% faster than they should ?:

    This is something that should be implemented in the game and not removed. For a better quality of battle. explained to everyone.

    A player who is very good at swords will always win against a less good player and a player who is very good at DG will also always win against a less good player. this adds a form of mastering which is normal. and offers great fights.

    But hey, UNFORTUNATELY, those who don't make an effort or beginners must be able to compete against old players experienced in this game...

    THIS IS ALL SO TRUE LOOOOOOL

  • RiptideAtlantic
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    @stew360 Originally, the thing with the sword where you could hold block while sword dashing to move around, jump, and speed through water etc, was a glitch/exploit. Then, Rare decided that it should be a feature and decided to keep it. The same thing could happen here. Also imo people who are using a glitch shouldn't be banned, as it is in the game and is not a third party 3rd party cheat. Instead of banning them, just fix the glitch imo.

  • Stew360
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    @riptide3683

    No cant happen here ... RARE decided to nerf gun swapping to the ground and made me literally quit the game for good when they did until now .. they even made it that you had almost 3 second delay before you could run and shoot made everything slugish broken and bad ... Now the game is somewhat playable and yet still clunky to satisfy the sword and casual crowd i can accept the gameplay we have now but i dont want to rely on glitch and exploits to get a edge .. I want the gameplay to be reliable , predictable yet suprising and consistant .. If they want faster swap then they will have to make it consistant across the board and make it Fair and consistant for everyones ..

    The excuses back then was consoles had 30 fps and blablabla now there is no excuses .. Xbox series can run this game at 60 to 120 fps no problems so fast swaping by default shouldnt be a issue especially since Xbox one players can play with only others xbox but still at a disavantage compare to series at °120 FPS so yeah

                                                                                                                                                             Here is the video i made 4 years ago ...
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    Some posts have been removed and as it does seem like this thread is making it hard for users to stick to their NDA's, I am going to drop anchor here.

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