There NEEDS to be a way to set who is limited to access the steering wheel and the anchor as I had four griefers join my galleon, got mad because I was in middle of a quest and decided to take over my personal ship, locked me in my own brig and took my ships and I lost everything.
One this is a violation of your own code of conduct.
Two it's impossible to kick them because you have to vote on locking them up.
Three this is making the game very much hated and I've spent a lot of money on items, and I'm getting really mad that I can't just get a crew that is patient and not wanting to join just to destroy my treasure. This isn't fair to the rest of us to have to lose all our XP and all our treasure that we worked for because some else wants to join and ruin it. There needs to be something in place that allows an option keep them from accessing the anchor and steering without have having to vote on it, especially on personal ships.
Permissions that are a MUST needed revision to personal ships
This isn't fair
As a captain. You should value your crew and have some way to work both sides. What you want and they want. Simply not at least doing this makes you a bad captain and….
You got mutiny. Just like a pirate. XD
Keep people from grabbing the wheel and anchor, is a bigger disaster waiting to happen.
@truckersgam2 don’t run open crew. You are not in command of the crew because you’re the “captain” of the ship. All crew mates are equal, and if they lock you in the brig because they decide collectively to do something else, suck it up, leave the game, and sail with a crew you trust. Join discord, find a group via Xbox community, group finder etc. You are asking for trouble when you open your crew to randoms, it’s the way players are in game sadly.
@tesiccl said in Permissions that are a MUST needed revision to personal ships:
@truckersgam2 don’t run open crew. You are not in command of the crew because you’re the “captain” of the ship. All crew mates are equal, and if they lock you in the brig because they decide collectively to do something else, suck it up, leave the game, and sail with a crew you trust. Join discord, find a group via Xbox community, group finder etc. You are asking for trouble when you open your crew to randoms, it’s the way players are in game sadly.
This, in Xbox groups or Discord you can specify what you want to do which makes a big difference.
IMHO the real solution is guilds. In other multi player games the real social center is the guild, random groups fail in all games.
I think it's important not to misunderstand Open Crew option.
It being cursed-level unplayable is actually lore accurate.Everyone in the sea of thieves is either
- cursed
- dead
- insane
- all of the above
So getting delirious alcoholics driven completely insane by several trips to the other world is exactly the result you should expect when you are trying to crew your ship with other unfortunate souls by taunting them through yelling into the void like a maniac.
Just imagine that you grabbed ouija board and is trying to crew your ship with whoever you managed to pull with it.
I agree that people should respect the owner of a ship because the owner bought it with their own hard earned gold, so the owner gets to make the rules of the ship and people should respect them because they didn't buy that ship. However, I feel like you should have reported those jerks and just leave after they locked you in the brig for no reason.
@remakoro said in Permissions that are a MUST needed revision to personal ships:
I think it's important not to misunderstand Open Crew option.
It being cursed-level unplayable is actually lore accurate.Everyone in the sea of thieves is either
- cursed
- dead
- insane
- all of the above
So getting delirious alcoholics driven completely insane by several trips to the other world is exactly the result you should expect when you are trying to crew your ship with other unfortunate souls by taunting them through yelling into the void like a maniac.
Just imagine that you grabbed ouija board and is trying to crew your ship with whoever you managed to pull with it.
I'm a fan of the theory that Galleon's Grave is the product of an open crew galley
@devtryak said in Permissions that are a MUST needed revision to personal ships:
I agree that people should respect the owner of a ship because the owner bought it with their own hard earned gold, so the owner gets to make the rules of the ship and people should respect them because they didn't buy that ship. However, I feel like you should have reported those jerks and just leave after they locked you in the brig for no reason.
From the Pirate Code:
All Crewmates Are Equal
Let each crewmate be respected as equal and free to follow their own bearing, speak openly and vote in affairs of the voyage.I see there are votes for this suggestion as well as against it, so how about this.
Have a new option available before you start the session of selecting what type of open crew you will captain, either one where you restrict access via the vote of who can steer, set anchors, etc. VS a completely open crew (which is basically what it is now) and that way people can still do quests in open crews with a certain amount of control while others can still play like unruly pirates doing what they want.@burnbacon
What isn't fair is ppl joining just to destroy other ppls stuff. Yet devs don't do a damn thing about it. What's a report do? Give them a warning allow them back on day two and they do it again? What isn't fair is having a bunch of griefers join and take over your ship that you spent 300,000 gold making it YOUR SHIP. if it was a public general ship I could care less. But the ones you personally buy should be a different store with more options to kick ppl like this.
This game has become trash because of the lack of options to get rid of griefers. Hell it's worse than GTA 5 at this point.
Hell I just had a guy join who deliberately blew up a gun powder barrel, sunk my ship, lost my emissary. Worked over an two hours on loot and lost it because of a griefers joined my crew and I can't kick him because you gotta vote on it.
How is that fair to me? Fairness is a two way street not a one way.@truckersgam2 said in Permissions that are a MUST needed revision to personal ships:
@burnbacon
What isn't fair is ppl joining just to destroy other ppls stuff. Yet devs don't do a damn thing about it. What's a report do? Give them a warning allow them back on day two and they do it again? (...)I have no insight in how severe the punishments are for griefing your own crew; I do know the effect of not reporting though: zilch
@remakoro does it matter what personal ship I use to do my quest on. Hell I paid gold for a sloop,a brig, and a galleon. Should I not be able to choose which one I take out? Kinda defeats the point having the option doesn't it?
@lem0n-curry I'mnot saying I'm unwilling to have some give and take on what we do for quests. I'm simply saying there needs to an option in place to directly kick a crew member who is griefing and there is none because you gotta vote on it. By the time that happens, you just lost your ship, lost your treasure, now gotta start over and you just wasted 200,000 gold or more on supplies etc. And there is no way to prevent this. I've spoken to multiple players that refuse to even play this game anymore because it's nothing but griefers.
@truckersgam2 It is sadly pointless to try to talk some sense here.
Most of the people in the forum are either:- cursed
- dead
- insane
- all of the above
...
in all sincerity though, there is a tiny yet strong core always active in the forums, who will reject and deny almost every issue, every attempted solution, and are quick to shift the blame of every issue back to you.Don`t debate against brick walls. Better to just state your point, and ignore everything else. Do not get tangled up in pointless quarrels.
That being said: Chaining up Ancor and wheel is not a good solution imo, as it could easily backfire. Better give a proper kick feature imo
All Crewmates Are Equal
Let each crewmate be respected as equal and free to follow their own bearing, speak openly and vote in affairs of the voyage.How conveniently you ignored the next point of the pirate code:
Article #5: The Crew Bond is Sacred
Those who betray their crew and ship through griefing or trolling shall be sent to the brig.
...@parrotlord6426 said in Permissions that are a MUST needed revision to personal ships:
All Crewmates Are Equal
Let each crewmate be respected as equal and free to follow their own bearing, speak openly and vote in affairs of the voyage.How conveniently you ignored the next point of the pirate code:
Article #5: The Crew Bond is Sacred
Those who betray their crew and ship through griefing or trolling shall be sent to the brig.
...It was the Captain who was send to the brig... now, I don't know exactly what happened here; if the crew was only trolling or didn't like to be on a ship run by a dictator (just two points of the spectrum here, OP's situation might be somewhere in the middle). They might have felt that the OP was the one who was not "in line enough" with the crew.
If the OP would have left, they would end up on a non-captained ship - maybe they didn't think it through or would just abandon ship after their trolling and maybe they just wanted to influence the session a bit.I certainly wouldn't be interested in sailing with a crew that is so different in what they want to do and just try my luck with another crew instead of wasting my time and others.
I'd only open crew as a Captain at the start of a session and not when there has already been significant progress / loot / supplies. The tool "open crew" is not suited for all circumstances, that much is clear.
@truckersgam2 Aye, even the great Captain Jack has experienced mutiny. It’s a looming danger that every captain should both fear and respect. If the possibility wasn’t in this fantastic sandbox of a game I would personally be disappointed. Also, any captain worth their hat knows that sometimes you have to cater to a crew’s desires even if they don’t fit your goals. These sailors be pirates after all.
@parrotlord6426 said in Permissions that are a MUST needed revision to personal ships:
A captain being thrown in the brig by their own crew is as classic a tale of mutiny as I’ve ever heard. My simple contribution to the topic is that a captain has to earn the respect of the crew. I’ve learned to always have respect for my open crews and it has payed off in riches more than many pirates on these seas can fathom. Fear of mutiny for loss of the crew’s confidence and respect is and should always be dominant in a captain’s head.Edit: Response to being called ignorant and not understanding the post. It’s strange that when a user deletes a post it also removes the quotes taken from it. I thought a big reason behind quoting was accountability. Now I get the choice of leaving this up with context missing, deleting it, or directly pointing it out, which feels much more confrontational than I intended to be.
@hawkeye99 I did not delete my post, and I still stand by it. However, it seems as if a moderator decided my comment was too edgy.
Whatever, I still dont see the situation described as mutiny in a sandbox experience. It is described as griefing and trolling.
Yall twisting his words to make something different out of the situation is despicable imo. You try to paint a different scenario just so you can throw the situation back at him, when what he described is completly different.
Whatever it takes to just NOT HAVE TO DEAL with the griefer situation, right?As the topic is described the captain didnt even have a chance to change anything on his voyage, he was in the middle of one. And the people who joined where not interested in the treasure he aquired, they destroyed it, as he describes it.
So its clearly just griefers. Mutineers take the ship and go on their own adventure. These people didnt do that.
Normal Pirates would at least take the ship to the outpost and sell the stuff. Why else would pirates go on a ship.
Ofc. it could be he does not share the whole situation with us, but taking that as a base standpoint is kinda distracting from the issue, and lowkey insulting.I’m not sure what to say to you at this point. I’m very disappointed the mods deleted your post. I don’t need to be protected against someone expressing the opinion that I’m ignorant. Looking through your other posts in this topic, you really haven’t said much except that people who don’t agree with you are impaired in some way and shouldn’t be listened to.
@parrotlord6426 said in Permissions that are a MUST needed revision to personal ships:
@truckersgam2 It is sadly pointless to try to talk some sense here.
Most of the people in the forum are either:- cursed
- dead
- insane
- all of the above
...
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Don`t debate against brick walls. Better to just state your point, and ignore everything else. Do not get tangled up in pointless quarrels.So our disagreement is on my reading comprehension and whether this interaction could be classified as mutiny. I maintain that it does. I welcome you to convince me otherwise. Otherwise, I will stop here and wish you happy seas.
One last point I will make is that this game is designed to go with what the majority of the crew wants to do. This is evident in how we vote for everything. If 3 out of 4 decided that todays play session will include burning down as many of their own ship as they can before they log off, they are allowed to do that. Majority rules and changing anything to give one person more power than others will result in more opportunities for what you define as griefing/trolling than the current system.
I have high hopes for the new guilds system. At it's best, it needs to look like Deep Rock Galactic; replace random open crew with an in-client crew finding system where captained vessels can select from a dropdown the emissary they want to run (if any), the activity they want to do (generic voyages or specific voyages or world events), stacking yes/no, etc... that way when someone joins you they know what to expect.
Is this better than the Discord? Only in that it doesn't require a third party application. I fully understand the disinterest in reinventing the wheel, but open crew is simply dysfunctional and it leaves pirates without access to Discord at a severe disadvantage. In order to be more inclusive, Rare desperately needs guilds to replace open crew...
@burnbacon said in Permissions that are a MUST needed revision to personal ships:
This isn't fair
As a captain. You should value your crew and have some way to work both sides. What you want and they want. Simply not at least doing this makes you a bad captain and….
You got mutiny. Just like a pirate. XD
Keep people from grabbing the wheel and anchor, is a bigger disaster waiting to happen.
The OP definitely seems like one of THOSE captains!
"People who disagree with you are impaired in some way"
Is simply defamation.
I never said that, not to you, not to anyone else.
The only thing I am clearly pointing out is that people are either:- shifting the topic - like you do
- refusing to acknowledge opposing arguments, and continue to simply repeat disproven arguments instead.
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Both are kinda sad ways of approaching to a debate or a thread.
You twist the OP´s words, and shift the blame back to him, you slander and twist what I said, and still try to insinuate I would only insult people? You stand on pretty thin ice there.
And Yes, I do like very much to call that behaviour out, since its not futile in a debate to shift the topic/blame and/or ignore the opposing arguments simply because you cannot handle them. Happenes a lot in this forum sadly.
Now, i dont say im perfect, but I do try at least to debate honestly, taking points of other people into account and taking the time and effort to think about and answer to them.
Thats why its even more frustrating when people I debate and take serious do not give the same effort back, and when people shift or twist the situation, just so it fits their strawman.I dont need to convince you otherwise, as I alrdy did prove my points. You just refuse to acknowledge them (which puts you into my second category of people simply refusing to acknowledge opposing arguments).
If you really read my other comments, in this thread as well as in the last, then I do not need to repeat myself?
So, your second argument, (your first was twisting the situation and calling it a regular mutiny if I am correct) is that everyone can do whatever they want, including burning down ships and disrupting play sessions?
Then you make the same mistake as some others here, confusing regular sandbox behaviour with griefing and gameplay sabotage. Griefing and Sabotaging is NOT regular sandbox behaviour, it is a reportable and punishable offense. I had multiple talks with support alrdy in reports and I am fairly certain its even written down in the forums somewhere else too - if you encounter that sort of disruptive behaviour, you are asked to report it with prove of what happened. The pirate code as a code of conduct for the game also clearly forbids that kind of bahviour in article 5.
So, I repat: Sandbox experience and griefing/sabotaging are two different things. That`s the mistake about your second argument, about both actually, as they kinda belong together with this confusion.@hawkeye99 Tbf said person is pretty rude in replies and argues in bad faith, nothing a little flagging to moderators doesn't solve ;)
