Emissary ledger readjust

@callmebackdraft as far as i know the rewards depend on how many times you've reached class X in the ledger, at least that's what the wiki says. For example, the merchant ambassador set takes 3 or 4 full months of the top position in the merchant ledger to complete

@typicalink500 said in Emissary ledger readjust:

@callmebackdraft as far as i know the rewards depend on how many times you've reached class X in the ledger, at least that's what the wiki says. For example, the merchant ambassador set takes 3 or 4 full months of the top position in the merchant ledger to complete

Correction: the SHIP ambassador set takes 4 months to complete, but the full set takes 7 months. The rewards are fixed for all emissary ledgers, it only depends on how many times you've reached the top/2nd top class, and that's why it should change from monthly to weekly in my opinion

I have been working on this and I do not agree at all.

I suppose Sweat Legends make it in a week but for the rest of us it takes a bit longer. Also some are easier than others. Sure you can do Merchants fast, but Reapers takes longer.

Big NO on this.

If it so easy, why change it?
I just said that - it IS easy, but it takes an eternity. If it's that easy, why not reduce the time span so that you can get it faster?

Sure you can do Merchants fast, but Reapers takes longer.

Reducing the time limit to a week would also make it so the amount of points needed is much smaller. You'd have 4x less time to get the points, but it would probably be 3x-2x less points as well. And sorry if i'm wrong because i don't play reaper yet, but i assume you can do a few lost shipments with reapers emissary and get like 200k-300k E.P. in a couple days (definitely less than a week). So basically, you really would have less time to get points, but you'd also have 4 more chances to get the reward every month AND need less points for it.

Adding to my idea - i know there are people who only (if ever) have time to play on weekends, so ideally the weekly emissary ledger should end on monday or tuesday (or whatever day that's not saturday or sunday)

So people catch up faster and run out of a reason to run emissary more quickly?

They would still need emissary to level up faster. Those who don't (aka max levels) much probably have all those rewards already, so it wouldn't make much of a difference. All it would really change is that you wouldn't have to wait like 2 weeks after getting a million points to get your reward.

but its not even all that hard, i have placed the top tier a few times just throwing an emissary up and doing only a few voyages.

That's my point, since it's that easy, then why not decrease the wait? It has no reason to be monthly when you can reach top tier in a week (which means that, if it were weekly, you'd reach top tier in a few days). The reason for it to be faster when you've already secured your spot is, well, you've already secured your spot - so why wait half a month?

@typicalink500 its not hard, but its meant to be accessible to more people. And yes there are many of us that only get 1 set of rewards every 3-4 months. Ive been current in every ledger since they were introduced. Heck, ive been in the top 25% every month for as long as I can remember. Having it be weekly would be a slog. I can get it because I have the month.

That's the catch - having it be weekly could probably need a little bit more of work, but you would certainly need less points to reach top tier. If you can get to the 25% in a month by just doing a few voyages, it means that most people do almost nothing. This means that it would still be easy to reach top tier in a weekly ledger, although probably needing a bit more work because people could rush more since the timespan is shorter (but you need to take into account the fact that, with less time, people get less points. So instead of needing 500k, you'd need around 200k or something)

It's pretty much what they are going to do with milestones soon

it would be giving up longevity to serve the impatient with cosmetics

at a week it's not really a sustainable system of incentives long term

Not everyone has the time in their schedule to play every week. Rare is thinking about the whole community, not just the few people who have time every day to play.

Yeah but i don't see how that invalidates my idea. If you can't play during a specific week, you can always do the ledger of next week. It'd be even better for those people, that's because with a monthly ledger they'll have somewhat of a "disadvantage" if they only play for, say, 1 week in the entire month. However, with a weekly one, it doesn't matter if they play one week per month because THAT week will be the ledger they're playing. I feel like i'm not being clear here so i'll give an example: say that someone can only play 3 days a month, and that these 3 days are in the same week. With a monthly ledger, this person plays for only 10% of the ledger's duration, which puts them at a disadvantage compared to others and makes it harder for them to reach top tier. With a weekly ledger, this person plays for around 40% of the ledger's duration - that's a lot more, making top tier much more accessible.

You cant get the rewards of the week you missed next in the next week. My friend you are thinking too short term, the system we have now gives everyone the time and chance to get the items they like from the current ledger, a weekly one means they will have to wait until a full cycle of ledger rewards to try again

What i've been saying the whole time is that a weekly ledger also comes with much less points required to reach top tier. If you haven't played for a whole week, then that's not a problem, because the ledger will reset and you can try next time. If you played, but didn't reach top tier, do the math - you probably wouldn't do so in a monthly ledger, because the total points required are obviously proportional to the timespan of the event (and having to wait for next week to try again is way better than having to wait for next MONTH). Plus, you'd have to find MORE time to play during that month to have a chance. It's like i said - every day that you can find time to play represents only 3% of a month, but 14% of a week. It's easier to do weekly ledgers because of that. Let's take extreme examples for visualization: in a DAILY ledger, you'd need like 25-50k points to reach top tier, which can be done with one high valued voyage. And in a YEARLY ledger, you'd need what? 10 million points? You're much more guaranteed to get 50k in the one day you've got to play than to get 10 million in a whole year.

@goldsmen said in Emissary ledger readjust:

If you dont understand that regardless if less points are needed (even though its not about how many total points you have but, other players score), that some people may not be able to participate at all in that week because of life, then i cant change your mind.

What i will say however is that the system we have now has no down side besides needing patience, so there is no need to change it. With that, i will take my leave from this thread because it feels like its going nowhere.

First, you can stop being rude and passive-agressive. Second, i've already said that it doesn't matter if some people are not able to participate in a specific week because of life, because the rewards don't change. They can always participate in the week in which they CAN play. And after getting their reward, they can get the next one by the next week in which they can play, and so on. And even if that second chance is a whole year after the first, it still means that they can have more chances of getting top tier rewards because one day is relatively more to a week than to a month. And yes, the score needed is based on other players, but most of them do almost nothing anyway so it would be as easy as it is with a monthly basis (or at most slightly harder).

@grog-minto said in Emissary ledger readjust:

@typicalink500 You assume that people that get 500k points in a monthly ledger got it in multiple sessions and would get a lesser amount over a week period. That simply isn't true. I did 860k in reaper yesterday evening. I did 600k in merchant in one session last week.

The low numbers are people that just played for very little time once in the month. If they don't play during the week you can play, then that makes the top 25% more difficult to reach. Because the players that will get high numbers in a few hours will be proportionally more significant.

That makes sense. You are right about that, but there are many thousands of players in the leaderboards, wouldn't it stay the same (as in many players who don't do much will still be there such that the top 25% isn't way too hard to reach)? While it is true that it would be proportionally harder to get to the top, there would still be many players with very low scores for every week, at least statistically speaking. You could still get to the top tier in one or two days of casual play (although probably needing some high value voyages like lost shipments)

@grog-minto said in Emissary ledger readjust:

@typicalink500 That's possible, but not guaranteed. To me the potential benefits aren't enough to warrant a change of pace (and possibly creating a problem with the balance in the process) but that's a matter of personal preference.

I honestly think it should be tested though. That's probably just me being impatient and wanting my ambassador set asap, but i think it would make more sense if players who are already 100% guaranteed to end the ledger in the top rank could get their rewards sooner instead of having to wait a whole month for it. The problem with testing this is that most testers are probably dedicated to the game, even if just a little. They'd have to find some players with very little time to test that, and there's an obvious issue with doing this

I wish that they would at least let us choose what part of the sets we get at the end of the month. So if you only want one or two parts from a set then you can get them quickly and not have to wait like 3 months. That way if you still want to whole set you still need to wait the whole time.

@zig-zag-ltu said in Emissary ledger readjust:

I just dislike some of the rewards. I have a few tankards or banjos I like, having another one from Merchants as an example, doesnt give me incentives to run the flag. Ship cosmetics are awesome for all factions. Would be cool if emissary rewards would offer different things moving forward.

I love most of the cosmetics, but I don't like all the titles.
If anything I would like to be able to earn partial credit towards a better reward.