Wholesome Pirate requesting feedback

@hefty-henri said in Wholesome Pirate requesting feedback:

What is a hostile takeover even? You own the server, and they can't change that, no?

In any case, that just sounds like dumb discord drama from people who apparently have nothing better to do. Just take the people you still like playing with and continue to play with them. Block anyone that is a pain in the bum on all platforms and move on. People behave weirdly often and it's out of your control, can only control who you hang out with.

Yeah, this is really dumb. But it's more than just discord drama, at least for me. They tried to coerce me into turning over ownership by threatening me and whoever had joined my discord with bannings from their discord if I didn't. This is what really troubled me as they literally tried to use my friendships against me and thereby created a conflict between friends. One moment I'm planning a roadtrip in my old restored classic car with some of my SoT-friends to meet them in real life, and suddenly I'm banned and have lost half my friends whom I've known for years. At this point, I have more daggers in my back than the Pirate Lord himself. I thought I knew who I was sailing with, but some people are just jealous and highly manipulative behind their masks of deceit and can unfortunately disrupt any community with their influence. I do appreciate your suggestion to move on and I know that there are plenty of wholesome Pirates out there to crew up with. But I've somewhat lost the drive atm. I need to shake this off.

@tesiccl said in Wholesome Pirate requesting feedback:

Sounds like discord drama and not something for these forums tbh. Take it up with them.

I think you're mistaken. This matter is a clear example of online harassment revolving around SoT with discord as a medium. I believe that the abuse of any third party software as a medium to coerce and otherwise harass SoT players is against RARE's ToS. Am I wrong? Otherwise, large discord servers can bully people around and coerce SoT players in order to dictate who they can and can't sail with, without consequences. No discord server leadership should be able to control or limit how much SoT players are able to support the game in any way. Furthermore, I know that serious so-called discord dramas aren't uncommon and that it might be a good idea for RARE to investigate how discord can be abused to manipulate the social spheres and support of their game.

I'll report this matter to discord and I'll report those SoT-players who supported such coercive actions to RARE as well. I will however still deeply appreciate any feedback from people who can share some insights I might be unaware of.

@tesiccl said in Wholesome Pirate requesting feedback:

@chlodovicus you are wrong.

Unless it’s an official discord server ran by Rare themselves, then it’s entirely within that community’s hierarchy to decide who’s in and out. The drama that follows is also contained within. Just because they happen to play the game, it doesn’t mean Rare are responsible for the people acting immaturely within their own isolated server.

I get you’re annoyed you got booted out of a discord server but you’ve come here looking for sympathy to your cause and hope that Rare will step in and tell your, now ex, discord community they were wrong to get rid of you. That won’t happen, I’m sorry.

I’m also not trying to be mean, but just give you the reality of the situation.

Best advice, just move on and try and rebuild what you’ve lost. If you’ve made friends via that community, message them privately and see if you can keep those connections.

Maybe I was unclear. Your generalisation of how discord servers should operate is correct and I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. But that wasn't the point. It's the harassment from individual SoT-players with discord as a medium that is arguably in direct violation with RARE's Code of Conduct for SoT and should be brought to RARE's attention. Any actions against the hostile discord server can obviously only be performed by discord who has the authority to do so.

Your assumptions about my motives are however incorrect. I'm way past being annoyed over this matter. Now I'm just sad and regretful over the thousands of hours I've apparently wasted with people who turned out to be morally corrupt. I'm not really looking for sympathy either, although support is always welcome. I have no expectations or hopes that RARE with any authority can step in and address the hostile discord on my behalf. It's evident for basically everyone who knows the background of the story that the hostile discord was completely in the wrong anyway. There's no doubt. RARE can however act against individual players who violate the Code of Conduct / ToS with sufficient evidence, and after some considerable thought I have no issues reporting those involved. Especially if they've been caught cheating in the past. There's a need to weed out the bad actors from SoT, but the sly and manipulative ones usually avoid attention. I guess I'm personally seeking closure with an ounce of justice as well.

I appreciate your feedback although I believe it's based on skewed assumptions. You believe that this matter falls beyond the scope of the Code of Conduct and it's difficult to argue otherwise without the documentation that reveals a direct correlation with SoT. Your advice is great but it's not quite that simple yet, and it's also harder to find proper crewmates these days for unspoken reasons. Luckily, I still have a few wholesome crewmates left I still occasionally sail with.

Thank you, for your realistic view on the limits of RARE's Code of Conduct. It's an interesting question and you might be right.

@chlodovicus this doesn't belong here. Sounds like a discord problem at most and really just a you problem.