Wellerman, when?

  • Soon may the Wellerman come
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  • Dead song, overplayed shanty, copyright, not really that good ^^

  • @tesiccl said in Wellerman, when?:

    Dead song, overplayed shanty, copyright, not really that good ^^

    Let me introduce you to All Star.

  • @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @tesiccl said in Wellerman, when?:

    Dead song, overplayed shanty, copyright, not really that good ^^

    Let me introduce you to All Star.

    Great song, Shrek, not played enough, featured in movies, timeless ^^

  • @tesiccl said in Wellerman, when?:

    Dead song, overplayed shanty, copyright, not really that good ^^

    Opinion, opinion, actual problem, opinion. ^^

  • @lordqulex correct 👍

  • @tesiccl Copywrite isnt actually too much of an issue with the song, all you need to do is give credit to the song owner and you are in the clear with this one.

  • @lordqulex said in Wellerman, when?:

    @tesiccl said in Wellerman, when?:

    Dead song, overplayed shanty, copyright, not really that good ^^

    Opinion, opinion, actual problem, opinion. ^^

    Nope. Wellerman does not have a copyright. It is public domain.

  • @captain-coel Even better!

  • If they ever add a music box to ships they should have a competition for singers from the community to sing covers of a few popular shanties and add them to the music box for in game tunes

  • @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @tesiccl Copywrite isnt actually too much of an issue with the song, all you need to do is give credit to the song owner and you are in the clear with this one.

    That's not how copyright works. You can't just legally say, "credit to" and then proceed to use someone else's work.

    You usually must be granted a specific license or permission to cover a song.

    That being said; someone above said Wellerman is public domain, in which case no permission or credit is necessary. Once something enters the public domain, it can be used by all.

  • @wolfmanbush said in Wellerman, when?:

    If they ever add a music box to ships they should have a competition for singers from the community to sing covers of a few popular shanties and add them to the music box for in game tunes

    Good idea, but huge legal mess.

  • @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @wolfmanbush said in Wellerman, when?:

    If they ever add a music box to ships they should have a competition for singers from the community to sing covers of a few popular shanties and add them to the music box for in game tunes

    Good idea, but huge legal mess.

    Not really, people have contracts and do deals all the time.

    This isn't a music career situation or signing a mega-name to the product. Could there be a problem? sure, there could also be a problem with a partner that is associated with the brand. There are always risks in everything.

    Might not be financially worth it to them but they are always pushing the social stuff, this would be something with substance to it.

    Could always do original writing as well

  • @wolfmanbush said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @wolfmanbush said in Wellerman, when?:

    If they ever add a music box to ships they should have a competition for singers from the community to sing covers of a few popular shanties and add them to the music box for in game tunes

    Good idea, but huge legal mess.

    Not really, people have contracts and do deals all the time.

    This isn't a music career situation or signing a mega-name to the product. Could there be a problem? sure, there could also be a problem with a partner that is associated with the brand. There are always risks in everything.

    Depends on who owns the rights and what they can legally do with them.

  • @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @tesiccl Copywrite isnt actually too much of an issue with the song, all you need to do is give credit to the song owner and you are in the clear with this one.

    That's not how copyright works. You can't just legally say, "credit to" and then proceed to use someone else's work.

    You usually must be granted a specific license or permission to cover a song.

    That being said; someone above said Wellerman is public domain, in which case no permission or credit is necessary. Once something enters the public domain, it can be used by all.

    Thats not how it works as a whole, but as for wellerman in specific, its royalty free music, the only stipulation to it is you must give credit to the owner of the song. It falls under creative commons, which basically grants freedom to use it under some fairly simple grounds, such as just giving credit.

  • @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @tesiccl Copywrite isnt actually too much of an issue with the song, all you need to do is give credit to the song owner and you are in the clear with this one.

    That's not how copyright works. You can't just legally say, "credit to" and then proceed to use someone else's work.

    You usually must be granted a specific license or permission to cover a song.

    That being said; someone above said Wellerman is public domain, in which case no permission or credit is necessary. Once something enters the public domain, it can be used by all.

    Thats not how it works as a whole, but as for wellerman in specific, its royalty free music, the only stipulation to it is you must give credit to the owner of the song. It falls under creative commons, which basically grants freedom to use it under some fairly simple grounds, such as just giving credit.

    Wait wait, is it Creative Commons or is it Public Domain?

    Which is it?

  • @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @tesiccl Copywrite isnt actually too much of an issue with the song, all you need to do is give credit to the song owner and you are in the clear with this one.

    That's not how copyright works. You can't just legally say, "credit to" and then proceed to use someone else's work.

    You usually must be granted a specific license or permission to cover a song.

    That being said; someone above said Wellerman is public domain, in which case no permission or credit is necessary. Once something enters the public domain, it can be used by all.

    Thats not how it works as a whole, but as for wellerman in specific, its royalty free music, the only stipulation to it is you must give credit to the owner of the song. It falls under creative commons, which basically grants freedom to use it under some fairly simple grounds, such as just giving credit.

    Wait wait, is it Creative Commons or is it Public Domain?

    Which is it?

    as far as i understood it, creative commons falls under public domain since everyone has free access to it. Its possible i misunderstand that part.

  • @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @tesiccl Copywrite isnt actually too much of an issue with the song, all you need to do is give credit to the song owner and you are in the clear with this one.

    That's not how copyright works. You can't just legally say, "credit to" and then proceed to use someone else's work.

    You usually must be granted a specific license or permission to cover a song.

    That being said; someone above said Wellerman is public domain, in which case no permission or credit is necessary. Once something enters the public domain, it can be used by all.

    Thats not how it works as a whole, but as for wellerman in specific, its royalty free music, the only stipulation to it is you must give credit to the owner of the song. It falls under creative commons, which basically grants freedom to use it under some fairly simple grounds, such as just giving credit.

    Wait wait, is it Creative Commons or is it Public Domain?

    Which is it?

    as far as i understood it, creative commons falls under public domain since everyone has free access to it. Its possible i misunderstand that part.

    I could be wrong.

    It is my understanding the at the public domain has no strings on it, like source or credit being issued to use something. It is just there and you can just use it.

    It is my understanding that a Creative Commons license, depends on the terms of the license but anyone can use it, that follows the rules.

    This is why I am not a lawyer.

  • @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @tesiccl Copywrite isnt actually too much of an issue with the song, all you need to do is give credit to the song owner and you are in the clear with this one.

    That's not how copyright works. You can't just legally say, "credit to" and then proceed to use someone else's work.

    You usually must be granted a specific license or permission to cover a song.

    That being said; someone above said Wellerman is public domain, in which case no permission or credit is necessary. Once something enters the public domain, it can be used by all.

    Thats not how it works as a whole, but as for wellerman in specific, its royalty free music, the only stipulation to it is you must give credit to the owner of the song. It falls under creative commons, which basically grants freedom to use it under some fairly simple grounds, such as just giving credit.

    Wait wait, is it Creative Commons or is it Public Domain?

    Which is it?

    as far as i understood it, creative commons falls under public domain since everyone has free access to it. Its possible i misunderstand that part.

    I could be wrong.

    It is my understanding the at the public domain has no strings on it, like source or credit being issued to use something. It is just there and you can just use it.

    It is my understanding that a Creative Commons license, depends on the terms of the license but anyone can use it, that follows the rules.

    This is why I am not a lawyer.

    Honestly... Same, ambiguity in this stuff can make it hard to know what falls where some times.

  • @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @tesiccl Copywrite isnt actually too much of an issue with the song, all you need to do is give credit to the song owner and you are in the clear with this one.

    That's not how copyright works. You can't just legally say, "credit to" and then proceed to use someone else's work.

    You usually must be granted a specific license or permission to cover a song.

    That being said; someone above said Wellerman is public domain, in which case no permission or credit is necessary. Once something enters the public domain, it can be used by all.

    Thats not how it works as a whole, but as for wellerman in specific, its royalty free music, the only stipulation to it is you must give credit to the owner of the song. It falls under creative commons, which basically grants freedom to use it under some fairly simple grounds, such as just giving credit.

    Wait wait, is it Creative Commons or is it Public Domain?

    Which is it?

    as far as i understood it, creative commons falls under public domain since everyone has free access to it. Its possible i misunderstand that part.

    I could be wrong.

    It is my understanding the at the public domain has no strings on it, like source or credit being issued to use something. It is just there and you can just use it.

    It is my understanding that a Creative Commons license, depends on the terms of the license but anyone can use it, that follows the rules.

    This is why I am not a lawyer.

    Honestly... Same, ambiguity in this stuff can make it hard to know what falls where some times.

    I found this, idk if it helps or not.

    It lists the different types of Creative Common licenses and even mentions CC0 which is public domain but then it also lists another public domain.

    Here is the actual legal documentation for CC0 https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode

  • @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @personalc0ffee said in Wellerman, when?:

    @goldsmen said in Wellerman, when?:

    @tesiccl Copywrite isnt actually too much of an issue with the song, all you need to do is give credit to the song owner and you are in the clear with this one.

    That's not how copyright works. You can't just legally say, "credit to" and then proceed to use someone else's work.

    You usually must be granted a specific license or permission to cover a song.

    That being said; someone above said Wellerman is public domain, in which case no permission or credit is necessary. Once something enters the public domain, it can be used by all.

    Thats not how it works as a whole, but as for wellerman in specific, its royalty free music, the only stipulation to it is you must give credit to the owner of the song. It falls under creative commons, which basically grants freedom to use it under some fairly simple grounds, such as just giving credit.

    Wait wait, is it Creative Commons or is it Public Domain?

    Which is it?

    as far as i understood it, creative commons falls under public domain since everyone has free access to it. Its possible i misunderstand that part.

    I could be wrong.

    It is my understanding the at the public domain has no strings on it, like source or credit being issued to use something. It is just there and you can just use it.

    It is my understanding that a Creative Commons license, depends on the terms of the license but anyone can use it, that follows the rules.

    This is why I am not a lawyer.

    Honestly... Same, ambiguity in this stuff can make it hard to know what falls where some times.

    I found this, idk if it helps or not.

    It lists the different types of Creative Common licenses and even mentions CC0 which is public domain but then it also lists another public domain.

    Here is the actual legal documentation for CC0 https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode

    That actually does answer quite a bit, so public domain falls under creative commons, not the other way around, thank you!

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