The title says it all, please add an anti-cheat. Those cheaters are infesting the game not only hourglass fights but in normal adventure as well. Please address this issue asap, game is getting boring and will eventually die...
Cheaters issue is gone out of control
I came back to the game a week ago after a year or year and a half and already found almost 3 cheaters. The last one 10 minutes ago. He was shooting from max distance and hitting the mast 3 in a row, hitting my cannon and it was absolute crazyness in that aim. Not to mention short distance. Also he shooted me from underwater and hit me ultranice trickshots. There's skill out there i know and can recognize it but this 3 guys were just insane, So many cannon shots in a row while turning, changing sail altitude for speed etc.. all you can imagine.
I just feel like quitting again.Anti-cheat is harder to create than you might think. With anti-cheat, really good players could get kicked for just being good. I think that if someone gets reported a-lot, the person should get watched by an anti-cheat. No one likes cheaters but I think we will always have to deal with them sadly. :(
Ahoy! If you have had a negative gaming experience, write to support about what happened. If you encounter a cheater, you need to record a video that will prove that the pirate code was violated. Happy sailing!
@mastereyad I know that's not an easy task, and things like soft-aimbot are really hard to distinguish sometimes, and honestly I don't know how this could be fixed but something needs to be done...I mean a lot of those programs are litterally open source at the moment, don't even need to spend money on that so imagine how spreaded the plague is
@ixxxoloff Yeah I'm aware of the report system, but honestly it's so common nowadays that I would have to spend all of my time recording, opening tickets etc...thanks for sharing anyway and happy sailing to you my friend!
@round-robin91 raising a support ticket instead of yelling into the void is better. If you have evidence of cheating, then submit the ticket, the more you report, the better Rare can be at deferring future cheaters.
@round-robin91 said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
@mastereyad I know that's not an easy task, and things like soft-aimbot are really hard to distinguish sometimes, and honestly I don't know how this could be fixed but something needs to be done...I mean a lot of those programs are litterally open source at the moment, don't even need to spend money on that so imagine how spreaded the plague is
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@trickery9149 said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
I came back to the game a week ago after a year or year and a half and already found almost 3 cheaters. The last one 10 minutes ago. He was shooting from max distance and hitting the mast 3 in a row, hitting my cannon and it was absolute crazyness in that aim. Not to mention short distance. Also he shooted me from underwater and hit me ultranice trickshots. There's skill out there i know and can recognize it but this 3 guys were just insane, So many cannon shots in a row while turning, changing sail altitude for speed etc.. all you can imagine.
I just feel like quitting again.I agree with this, playing since day 1 and never quit and I think something is fishy
I think part of the problem comes with people not being able to decipher between skill and someone actually using 3rd party cheats.
The number of times I've been hackusated since Season 8 is hilarious. In fact, I received hackusations the other day from a streamer, and I was not shocked by the insta-quit when I informed him that he just took an L to an Xbox player.
Point is...people who aren't cheating are getting accused of cheating all the time...and the result is an assumption by veterans that the majority of the community has no clue what an actual cheater looks like.
I get why some people wonder about it,
not the people nightly calling others sus but the more chill crowd that wonder how much cheating is out there
I get why people think others toggle cheats, I've seen plenty of crews where it's like fighting 2 entirely different people/skills on one character.
Odd deaths where it feels like a one ball but not hit by a cannon
I always just write it off as lag or server issues. I dunno who is or isn't cheating but I know the lag/server issues I've seen over the years and they can be severe.
I don't even question most tdm just because I know/know of too many people that are talented to a nearly unbelievable degree. No way for me to tell on that and HG made people much better fighters.
Naval I write off too. Sure I fight crews that have wild distance shots and then close up/mid range I take over. I think to myself "so?" we all have our things that we are pretty solid at, distance shots aren't as sus to me as they are others.
The knowing where I am stuff...who knows? there are things I do things in the game based on a lot of experience mixed with solid prediction, can't use that against someone else imo.
The obvious cheating we all largely agree on.
I don't agree with most "sus" calls I see but I do understand where some of them come from.
@mastereyad Hold on how do you think anti-cheat works?!?!??!?!? Anti-cheat will not kick someone for being good EVER. Anti-cheat works by monitoring changes in game files and other running software to see if any are trying to access/change information they shouldn't be. Another fix is to change what is client vs server side information, but this can affect network latency concerns.
On the other hand some people are concerned over security concerns w/ Anti cheat which is a fair remark, however I would like to point out that practically EVERY other game has a form of Anti cheat.
Most of the times i do get the aimbot or like the other day a galley that was faster than a sloop. Then there is the one time i had a rank 5 reaper sailing in the sky, sinking and then spawning again with 5 rank flag again. Most annoying imo is the lag spike cheaters since that can outright kick you from the server and sometimes refuse to let you back in.
@nitroxien said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
@mastereyad Anti-cheat will not kick someone for being good EVER.
That is just false. There are multiple games where people have gotten banned for just being to good. Those cases might be very rare (no pun intended), but they do exist.
Some games just check your performance with your 'normal' performance and if it is significantly better, you will get a ban. But that doesn't mean that person was cheating, it could just have been he/she had a good day (most of the times combined with opponents who had a bad match).
Sometimes games just don't think it's possible to do X, while it actually is possible, so everybody who does X gets banned then untill the devs fix that (most of the time that would be a trick someone finds out and then others repeat it and the devs hadn't realised it was possible, so they had to update the anti-cheat then, but in the mean time people where banned unjustly).@round-robin91 yep, that situation with cheaters really went so far and for me ... I got some time to leave out from the SoT for some time untill some anticheat will appear for this game in near future maybe ... who knows ... no any reason play in it in that condition
I switched back to Xbox because I felt like I was running into cheaters although I couldn’t really prove it. I would shoot players and get hit marker but they would never die, it could have been hit reg or possibly a cheater. I also had my ship start filling with water without holes which I believe 100% was a cheater as I never heard of this on Xbox servers.
Ive run into a ton of speedhacking pirates and invulnerable ships in HG since season 8 and got plenty of cheaters banned through support already but I just cant be bothered to report any more. Most of them are on alt accounts so banning doesnt really do anything because of xbox game pass.
The game urgently needs anti cheat or it's finished.
@alienmagi said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
Ive run into a ton of speedhacking pirates and invulnerable ships in HG since season 8 and got plenty of cheaters banned through support already but I just cant be bothered to report any more. Most of them are on alt accounts so banning doesnt really do anything because of xbox game pass.
The game urgently needs anti cheat or it's finished.
On Steam you can quite literally get banned and just relink the game to another fresh Microsoft account and go again, no need to rebuy the game or anything so cheaters are free to cheat without repercussions.
Game is already finished, just had a completely toxic HG battle with a couple of oxygen thieves with clear as day aimbots and the audacity to GG me, pathetic.
@alienmagi That's exactly my feeling. I used to report quite a lot. I got fed up of spending sometimes up to an hour of my time editing my game footage only for the banned person to make a new account in less than 10 minutes. I'm not a content creator so I'm not naturally quick at editing.
When I get 'sus' I check recently played to view peoples hours and surprise surprise each time, hardly much playtime but have the 'skill set' of a multi thousand hour player. This game should have never required anti cheat but the direction the PvP has gone in causes people to use 3rd party software to gain as much advantage as they can get. I'd rather somebody drop kegs on my boat than face people with aimbots/macro's exploiting the games meta to the fullest.
@bun-e-hopps said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
with clear as day aimbots and the audacity to GG me, pathetic.
you don't have proof they were aimbotting, you're attacking someone for shooting accurately that was polite at the end lol
@wolfmanbush said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
@bun-e-hopps said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
with clear as day aimbots and the audacity to GG me, pathetic.
you don't have proof they were aimbotting, you're attacking someone for shooting accurately that was polite at the end lol
I do have proof, it was blatant. I'm not stupid.
@bun-e-hopps said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
@wolfmanbush said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
@bun-e-hopps said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
with clear as day aimbots and the audacity to GG me, pathetic.
you don't have proof they were aimbotting, you're attacking someone for shooting accurately that was polite at the end lol
I do have proof, it was blatant. I'm not stupid.
You said "clear as day" which implies you don't have proof but that it appeared that it was aimbot to you which is evidence but not proof.
In general people in the game have steadily improved with accuracy in shooting. Hg participants even more so. This makes it extremely unlikely to consistently make accurate cheating accusations based on accuracy.
You're labeling someone something based on a guess.
@wolfmanbush said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
@bun-e-hopps said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
@wolfmanbush said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
@bun-e-hopps said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
with clear as day aimbots and the audacity to GG me, pathetic.
you don't have proof they were aimbotting, you're attacking someone for shooting accurately that was polite at the end lol
I do have proof, it was blatant. I'm not stupid.
You said "clear as day" which implies you don't have proof but that it appeared that it was aimbot to you which is evidence but not proof.
In general people in the game have steadily improved with accuracy in shooting. Hg participants even more so. This makes it extremely unlikely to consistently make accurate cheating accusations based on accuracy.
You're labeling someone something based on a guess.
Nope I am simply not.
If something is blatant its blatant, nobody hits 100% gunshots from their own ship onto mine hitting me and my crewmate when you have bouncing waves, latency, etc being able to beat me without even boarding by simply insta killing me with guns, not possible even the best comp team players in the world don't hit 100% accuracy in their games.
@bun-e-hopps said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
If something is blatant its blatant, nobody hits 100% gunshots from their own ship onto mine hitting me and my crewmate when you have bouncing waves, latency, etc being able to beat me without even boarding by simply insta killing me with guns, not possible even the best comp team players in the world don't hit 100% accuracy in their games.
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They somewhat do.
You can get one-balled and long ranged sniped in battles by pretty good players. I've legitimately watched Sloop HG on Twitch and there are some genuinely disgusting sniping players that get successful long range snipes within the first minute of a battle, almost to the point where they're fearing their opponent might call foul play purely because that shot shouldn't have hit.
This is why one should record instances or have solid proof that "aimbot" is in use. Players that actually know what they're doing and practicing what the average player would consider an unhealthy amount of dedication to their aiming should not get punished for simply playing better. Aimbot is already hard to determine because there are skilled players in the game, it's not worth giving them hell because you failed to avoid scenarios or act upon them more closely.
@mastereyad thats not true at all. anti=cheat is better known as "cheat detection", meaning it detects third party cheat programs, no one will be banned for "just being good". and as for anti cheat is harder to create than you think....there are many good anti cheat programs, rare wouldnt have to create on from scratch.
@sweetsandman anyone who is against having in anti-cheat in a game is probably a person using cheats and thats why they would be apposed to having an anti-cheat program. anyone wwho denies that there are cheaters are probably also a person who is cheating and thats why they deny that cheats exist.
@goldsmen no one claimed that an anti-cheat can "stop all people" but it will get rid of most of them, and also act as a deterrent to people who dont want to get their account banned. if you have NO anti-cheat then you cant stop ANYONE and you have a rampant, out of control cheating problem like is present in the game currently. we need an anti-cheat. period.
@super87ghost youre incorrect. anti-cheat programs detect 3rd party cheat software. they dont ban people just for being good at the game.
@bokk420 said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
@goldsmen no one claimed that an anti-cheat can "stop all people" but it will get rid of most of them, and also act as a deterrent to people who dont want to get their account banned. if you have NO anti-cheat then you cant stop ANYONE and you have a rampant, out of control cheating problem like is present in the game currently. we need an anti-cheat. period.
The problem with cheaters getting banned is that most of them dont care because they arnt on their main account, so unless rare starts doing hardware bans, it has a minimal effect. As well there are games with anti cheat that are totally flooded with cheaters that have a firmer focus on competitive pvp than even this, an anti cheat can help some, but if the game doesnt have hardware bans, cheaters will always find a way around it.
@bokk420 said in Cheaters issue is gone out of control:
@sweetsandman anyone who is against having in anti-cheat in a game is probably a person using cheats and thats why they would be apposed to having an anti-cheat program. anyone wwho denies that there are cheaters are probably also a person who is cheating and thats why they deny that cheats exist.
Not sure if this was supposed to be a response to me or not... But at no point did I say I don't want an anti-cheat; in fact, I would love to see a robust one implemented. Nor did I deny that there are cheaters in this game. There are plenty of them.
What I did say is that an astonishing number of hackusations are directed at people that are not hacking at all.
@round-robin91 I only seen 1 confirmed cheater the entire time think people are exaggerating the situation
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