Mast is too weak

  • MasterCheef3951
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    Which encourages boarding. The game doesn't have enough emphasis on ship combat in pvp and with masts going down so easily, everyone just winds up boarding their demasted target. Especially the sloop. While I understand that its reward a skill shot on the mast, I am unsure how they are making these insane skill shots vs the mast. I am seeing people triple mast hit me from 400m(estimation) out. In other words about 20 ship distances away. I see lots of talking about cheating on here and my first instinct is never that people are hacking, but I am curious about the use of hacks in this game and whether or not they do it for cannon shots as well? I would expect they do. Some of of the accurate cannon fire I am receiving when solo queueing(which I hate btw, game should have full solo matchmade galleon crew pvp imo, not just solo queue or premades), blows my mind. I know people are "really gud" and I should "git gud," but some of it seems fishy. They are hopping on that cannon and without even a placement shot, accurately demasting for quite far out while im in a turn. Don't take this as an overly salty post. I just wonder what is happening here and how they can possibly have this good of aim.

    If they truly do, props to them, and I still feel as I first mentioned that the mast should have a couple hits more hp, no more than 2 more hits, but yea.

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  • Foambreaker
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    @mastercheef3951 On the PC side it is not that hard, point and click, on the Xbox side those long range hits are really hard.

    One of the many reasons I play Xbox only.

  • Captain Coel
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    @foambreaker said in Mast is too weak:

    @mastercheef3951 On the PC side it is not that hard, point and click, on the Xbox side those long range hits are really hard.

    One of the many reasons I play Xbox only.

    Not how cannons work. Cannons on kbm are worse to use than a controller.

  • Ghostfire1981
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    Its more or less impossible to sink a sloop with a good crew without boarding, as one player can easily keep it floating by just bucketing and not repairing if needed. So that is why you cut down the mast, and then board it. Perhaps spawncamp and protect the holes until it sinks.

    A brig also needs its masts cut down to remove its main defense, speed. However a brig does not require a boarding to sink it, as it will sink fast if there are too many holes. No amount of bucketing will save it at one point.

    The galleon is a more tricky one. Taking down its masts will help, but it is basically a floating gun platform, that can take a lot of cannonball hits to its middle deck, and one player is usually enough as bucketeer and repairguy, while the others use the cannons. The speed of the other ships is the key to take down this one.

    So what is the point im making? Well, cutting down masts AND boarding is usually necessary to get an efficient sink. There are plenty of cannonballs to find in the world, but to sink a ship using just cannonballs require LOTS of them. And in the case of a sloop you can not really sink it with cannonballs, unless you oneshot the crew, and make sure the players stays dead.

    And to answer the accuracy thing. Many players are really good with their aim. For example im an older pirate (40+), as is my crew, and we are not very good at close quarters PvP (not as good reaction time anymore and so on), so we have specialized in long range fighting, and my crew is nowadays VERY good at using chainshot and cannonballs to disable our opponent. So yeah, we are one of those who snipe out masts, and then board once we think we have enough holes as that is the best way to actually win a fight.

    EDIT:
    Just some pointers and thoughts on the matter from an older pirate.

  • Soulstinger2k20
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    Well said.

  • heslashthem
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    I play on Xbox and I’m a god on the cannons. I don’t cheat, I’ve just learned over the years how to get better at aiming, angle of trajectory, height of the shot depending on the projectile loaded. All of these things have come with experience.

    I can’t stress this enough but check out Phuzzybond on his guide to aiming with the cannon. It’s an older video but it was the holy grail that helped me out so much when I first started playing. Hope it helps.

  • TEK LT
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    I hated when chainshots were added, I felt like they were too easy, they are just like cannon balls except you need to aim higher as they don’t travel as far which makes the. very easy.

    I just wish chainshots were hard to find, as a sloop player I use them often, but a good gally crew or brig crew can catch the mast and repair quickly.

  • MasterCheef3951
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    Appreciate the replies, sounds like I needs to git gud. A lot of the time I am solo queueing HG and I am just being completely overwhelmed even if I get the first 4 hits or so because they are breaking my mast instantly. I'll figure it out.

  • MasterCheef3951
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    It's extremely hard to play this game without a crew and they removed matchmaking into a pvp crew specifically soo. With arena being gone it's impossible to practice in a crew environment.

  • WolfManbush
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    @mastercheef3951 said in Mast is too weak:

    Appreciate the replies, sounds like I needs to git gud. A lot of the time I am solo queueing HG and I am just being completely overwhelmed even if I get the first 4 hits or so because they are breaking my mast instantly. I'll figure it out.

    don't let it get you down, every day and every fight is different

    people do the whole "I study every fight to learn thing" but that's not what combat is. It's second by second, after you get the basics down it's all about situational awareness, immediate decision making and readjusting. No two fights are the exact same. It's not chess or a ball game, it's chaos

    The content isn't serving you, it doesn't have enough people to consistently deliver you similar skill. The key to adapting to that is to not spend a lot of your energy against higher performers, do the best you can and then roll the dice for another match, taking with you a little rep.

    Practice on fleets as a solo, the best practice for naval in the game is skelly ships, it allows you to work on everything naval other than ladder guarding. It'll let you practice handling pressure under fire without the boarding. It comes in handy.

    There is nothing to feel bad about in sot combat so chuck the expectations out the hatch. The game isn't based on fair fights it's based on fights when talking pvp. You get rep for losing so you're already winning, just get those reps in and don't get down on yourself. It works out in the end, as good as it can, as long as you keep at it.

  • CallMeBackdrafT
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    @mastercheef3951 solo sloop in HG can be overwhelming however you will most likely be able to find like minded people in the official sot discord

  • LordQulex
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    @mastercheef3951 said in Mast is too weak:

    Appreciate the replies, sounds like I needs to git gud. A lot of the time I am solo queueing HG and I am just being completely overwhelmed even if I get the first 4 hits or so because they are breaking my mast instantly. I'll figure it out.

    Take solace in the fact that you queue with people that use chain shots: it means you're pretty good. First thing I do in a fresh ship is pocket my chains so if I lose the other ship doesn't get them. At my MMR, I'm typically the only person that uses them. So... you don't need to git gud if people are using chains against you, you're already at the competitive level above many of us "unintentional loss farmers."

  • MasterCheef3951
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    I am trying to be reasonable here and not go off on a tangent, but I am extremely familiar with fps games and have very good aim, I'm a long time csgo player and I also have years of experience in naval games from games like naval action to every strange little indie title like blackwake and others. A lot of what I have witnessed FEELS like cheating, but I am taking all of your word for it that I will get there. The nature of the waves and limited turn rate of the cannons etc makes it hard for me to believe people have the accuracy I am witnessing and one youtube search presents me with countless videos of people with aimbot, it has certainly impacted my view and more so than any other game I have played. I will keep trying. Regardless I love the game because I am usually just enjoying myself casually as that is the true nature of this game. I am also getting older, maybe I am just feeling that when faced with an army of 15 year olds lol.

  • MasterCheef3951
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    I just hit a guy like 12 times, killed him when he boarded, lit his ship on fire, blunderbombed it and then he killed me instantly with cannon and sunk me. This is tiring, I am yet to win a single fight like 50 or so fights in. He hit me twice or 3 times which I had fully repaired. All his damage was when I was dead.

  • WolfManbush
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    @mastercheef3951 said in Mast is too weak:

    I just hit a guy like 12 times, killed him when he boarded, lit his ship on fire, blunderbombed it and then he killed me instantly with cannon and sunk me. This is tiring, I am yet to win a single fight like 50 or so fights in. He hit me twice or 3 times which I had fully repaired. All his damage was when I was dead.

    When something gets miserable you gotta ask yourself "What am I doing this for?"

    If it matters to you, if there is substance to your goal, to the reward, then you dig deep and you deal with what it costs to achieve/succeed/ accomplish

    If you're doing it because it's there, because it's something you think you need to be happy, the misery of the experience will not lead to happiness. The reward just becomes something that exists, without substance, tainted by the resentment of the journey.

    You can do it, do you really want to?

  • ajm123
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    Aiming chains is easy with alot of practice

  • FEL1X ZERO
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    It's very easy to get three mast shots on a gally from far away with chains if you have basic aiming abilities. I doubt it is cheating. Gally masts are huge with alot of surface area and box to hit. I usually hit 3 out of three pretty easily.

  • FEL1X ZERO
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    @foambreaker you know its crossplay right?

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