(Making it clear) Known Exploits have been excepted by Rare. The ones that have not!!!

For the record, animation canceling is 100% okay and is not bannable. If it was I would have already been banned a long time ago. Heck, even the Rare guys use double gunning on their streams so I would say they have intentionally not patched it.

@dragonborn12940

Let's make this clear your statement is based off of assumption yes/no? An assumption is an unexamined belief: what we think without realizing we think it. Our inferences (also called conclusions) are often based on assumptions that we haven’t thought about critically. A critical thinker, however, is attentive to these assumptions because they are sometimes incorrect or misguided.

@n0soup4u

Agreed truth be told there Lossing players trickling away from the game by way of not addressing the issue. I guarantee majority of exploit players would threaten to leave but would stay probably grumble for a good bit. That is why a public statement is needed ether way. The game would flow much better by removing stated exploits cause a much better experience. My own experience in hourglass battles landing every shot on a solo sloop. While being shot by sniper fire then eating pineapples while maintain cannon fire on spinning sloop doing this for 10-15 mins going how are they still afloat and how do they have the chance to return fire. I place my cannon crate next to my cannons. That is how match's go against exploit players to win that is not fun knowing the battle should have been over long time ago. Takes away from the balance of the game. I can only keep up with 7-10 holes on a solo sloop while taking fire. I say 10 all the holes are in the back you can manage as long as it does not hit the stairs.

They won’t fix these since. The pvp players havnt complain yet about them ruining there game.

Yet. :p

They have somewhat made their stance known in attempting to patch animation cancels several times. That being said they are so widespread that I doubt rare would take action and actually ban people for doing it, not an easy position.

@hiradc

Agreed on both accounts you are absolutely right they have throughout time tried to patch it or at least claimed to have fixed it. That being said is still why we find ourselves in the gray area if you will. Yes, it's widespread like a virus that is spreading due to the lack of treatment eventually it's going to kill, be cured, or evolve. We can agree a virus is problem is not a good thing or Normal. Streamers with large influences are the carriers of this virus. Thier are streamers who play straight up they should be commended it goes back to player 5 feet away with automatic weapon. Player with the bolt action rifle hitting a moving target 300 meters away beating the guy 5 feet away.

@personalc0ffee

There lies the problem more are leaving than staying I, only have my own experiences to go off. I'm day one that has always welcomed Pirates to sail with me New, and old. I myself were I, wouldn't hesitated to load up sea of thieves enjoy 4-10 hours of gaming. Now take more enjoyment in playing other games. Being more satisfied that I, spent my time well in the other game. The Enjoyment of knowing you bested an exploit player has been filled with the time and frustration for taking that long to defeat them. Then being defeated by an exploit player in a manner of speaking due to the clear advantage and lack of Navel to combat balance. Many of Pirates I, have sailed with no longer play the game due to these issues I don't blame them. I would say a large amount of us have lost friends that once would sail with us

Dam guess Rare messed up with their partner program and better ban a whole tone of them for animation canceling as well...

If Rare publicly endorses streamers that animation cancel and supported an event (NAL and SOC) which both allowed animation canceling I believe that means players are NOT cheating for animation cancelling simple as that.

Here's a ladder to come down off your high horse.

Some people have more dexterous thumbs and fingers than others. Am I exploiting at work because I can type 90 wpm? No.

Is someone exploiting that can pull off all the special moves in (insert fighting game here)?

Fix double gun? Force a sword, everyone gets 2 guns as well, only 5 shots between the 2.

@zitronenbart

There also is another problematic issue harder to catch aimbot players due to broken weapon mechanics if a player is allowed to animation cancel more of a chance that players that due Sus action will be caught due to players always second guessing the action. When the game functions with the Animation the game flows alot better brings balance to the game play. VS I just got drop before taken a step. I couldn't even react to preform one action let alone the two actions that my exploit opponent achieved. Like many you mentioned this is lost cause until some action is taken by Rare. It's a sinking ship and last ones a board will be the rats that chewed all the holes into this once beautiful ship. Unless they fix the functionality right the wrong before it's too late.

@karkona No use to engage on pvp when these double gunner animation exploit can be macro.

It's not a cheat per se, but it's bending the working as intended considerably.

Just make sword permanently equipped, and you only choose 1 gun.
Choice and consequence.

Exploit or skill is irrelevant. The fact that Rare fixed bucketing and shoveling but not quick swap says everything. They don't want to upset their streamers. It's as simple as that.

If they will leave the animation cancel for swapping guns then why have the animation at all? My opinion it should be patched if not then remove the animation all together so those of us who don't use it are more on the same playing field. Let skill determine the win not a one sided advantage.

Regardless of what someones opinion is on double gunning or animation cancelling, its not fun for the casual player who may be on the recieving end of it. The likelihood of that player then putting the game down after TDML0rD96 has killed them within a second and spawn camped them is very high. This player will now not be looking at purchasing from the emporium. This is what will swing the decision. Most players find the sword+gun playstyle more palletable. Its not as punishing for casual players.

Its been left in the game for too long, it feels like Rare in the past have left it to cater to more players but in doing so its most likely driving the main market away.

@pithyrumble said in (Making it clear) Known Exploits have been excepted by Rare. The ones that have not!!!:

Am I exploiting at work because I can type 90 wpm? No.

Pithy fingers go brrr.

@zitronenbart

Where the Goonies [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-XeN_7E9zE](link url) Exploit Players are the Business Tycon's. Point here is we have to stick together to make a change the road ahead might not be easy it's the right thing to do or we could all take that ride up Troys Bucket!!

Goonies Never SAY DIE!!

If there were two servers hypothetically 1. where No Exploit is allowed and the 2. option where there allowed.

How many players do you think would actually choose to allow Exploits keep in mind there only up against Exploit players. I would say less than 1% that's probably because over half also added cheats. That would expouse all those players pretty fast. The line would be you choose the game the way it was developed (intended to be played) or the cheese way where you can macro, x cancel, sprint cancel to your hearts content with your 90 words per minute typing skill lol. I, would say very quickly Exploiters would play on option #1 because now their clear advantage on 90% of players / easy prey is gone. Well then, they also find out that easy prey not so easy anymore they might acutely need to have some skill.

@d3adst1ck Good point, there is no way after so much time they are not aware about double gunning exploits, the question that remains are they so pro to have this as a norm or they are so unskilled to not realise it breaks the game for the average pirate.

If the first: Please make official double gunning tutorials and cater the game updates more to this play style. Everyone should deserve a chance into pursuing this 'pirates life' as a new norm...

If not: Please fix.

@personalc0ffee

Sea Of Thieves Partners do Exploit all the time without a clear public announcement of allowing exploit Double Gun. Rare is turning a blind eye to it.

@zig-zag-ltu

Allow so agreed they should add a tutorial in the Madian Voyage on how to double gun. Just typing this makes me think how much of a Joke exploiting double gun is. It's clear as Day it does not belong is result of so many problems. Yeah please after the public statement create a Tutorial lol so I too can be double gunning sweat lord don't forget to add in the macro setting.

Great point thanks for sharing.

@d3adst1ck

Well not the point being made but I did have good Laugh...

Thanks for sharing.

Is tapping shift then pressing right-click an exploit?

@rambobrad It depends from a perspective. As a gamer/user doing this - No, you are just using tools provided.

As a Game/Company - Yes. That is exploiting and canceling intended animations which they have created themselves.

If you break your headphone cable and need to twist at a certain angle to play music, kudos to you for being able to.

If employees of that brand are doing same, well does not look good on the company.

But you know Mr.Bean was also from England and he would do the oddest things. :P

PS. It's like purchasing an automatic door, but then putting a sticker on the sensor to leave them open. Why would a company purchase an automatic door, if they wanted it to be always open, if they don't want it always open, why put the sticker? Perhaps a silly example, but I had no idea their employees were doing this thing :D....