Hourglass PVP Feedback Sloop/Brigantine/Galleon - Casual PVP players.

@personalc0ffee Adventure is fine, you can sail off with stock on sloop. Brig would be risky, Galleon needs more.

Doing this on the Hourglass is not viable. Brig/Galleon supplies becomes a chore, so when you spend longer getting supplies than actually fighting - there is something wrong.

And I don't see any problem if a brig or galleon after finishing hourglass with 1000s of cannonballs go into adventure, you can only shoot one at the time anyway and war of attrition is more of a sloop thing as other ships require a crew to fix and reset from emergency situations. So I can not think of one single reason how this would affect anyone.

But if my suggestion of having hourglass exclusive supplies introduced, where you only receive them after you vote to start fighting and those freebies disappear once you are done, the rest remains your own legwork. Nobody would be affected in a negative way and the hourglass would benefit from more participants and crews that lost would be able to get back there a lot quicker.

@personalc0ffee I disagree. Adventure is not on demand PVP. I don't know what hourglass is designed for, but I don't think it's designed to cause frustration, or having to resupply for so long. On demand in my opinion means quick and efficient way of doing it. It should not incentivize Galleon crews looking to sink other ships just for supplies.

Could you please tell me an instance when your Sea of Thieves experience was negatively affected by someone having a lot of cannonballs and planks for hourglass?

Also please try Galleon pvp before arguing against these suggestions. As I've mentioned earlier, Sloop is fine, Brig is OK. Galleon is different.

@personalc0ffee Please try the galleon.

Sloop takes 5mins tops to be ready. - This is fine.

Brig can take 15 including someone running around the outpost with a storage crate. - This is ok, but not ideal.

Galleon sometimes is not even possible clearing the whole outpost, if the outpost you spawn in is empty what then? 120 cannonballs is literally 30 cannonballs each, you can shoot them in few minutes. - This is not even reasonable. 120 cannonballs for sloop is enough for a fight tho.

@personalc0ffee Well Galleons exist, they are part of the game, we found it to be the most fun for PVP hourglass.

Nobody ever said that sloop should have 500 cannonballs to start.

Also you have not answered my questions where supplies would create a bad experience for you? It seems more of a question about preference or taste rather an actual problem experienced.

I do agree about war of attrition point, but the current rules of engagement don't create incentives to finish a battle in few minutes, they normally last 10-20. And Galleon does not have enough for that for casual players.

We are casual players and we work as a team, your experience from what you wrote seems to be really bad and your crew - quite frankly terrible. Galleon takes a lot of work from everyone and I am jealous of well polished crews, in our case we are trying our best to improve.

So regarding the supplies for Galleon, if I understand you correctly. You think it is better to spend 20-30 minutes (in the least maneuverable slow ship, sinking sloops and going to places like fortresses, which are designed for new players to get supplies for a quick fight? I strongly disagree if that's the case.

But thank you for your input, Sir. I would however appreciate if you commented on your own experience and shared your thoughts about the hourglass. Arguing against QoL improvements for activity you don't even participate(galleon fights), because of an imaginary problem(Sea of Thieves overflooded with supplies) that does not even affect you seems rather strange.

This is why I would advocate for separate and hourglass exclusive supplies, fitting the needs according to crew size. If there really is a problem with abundance of supplies (haven't heard about it at least) this would not affect anyone negatively, but would improve the experience of people participating in PVP on demand.

@lordqulex That's the problem for us at least. Even if you can't purchase a thing from shipwright/merchants sloop can very much so dive right back hoping for a quick fight.

If you respawn with a galleon at the outpost and you can't buy a thing and the barrels are empty, you can only dive back in to basically farm a loss.

Temporary/Exclusive for Hourglass supplies would not require crews to respawn at outposts and crews would be able to choose themselves if they wanna dive back in or sail around for more supplies. just my thoughts.

@lordqulex I will be looking forward to trying that then, what are your strategies, mind sharing some tips? The only viable way that we could do was to ram them, but a lot of ships tend to turn their ship sideways as they start defending by raising sails and blasting on the incoming attack, leaving us no option but to attempt to reset, in which case the stock supplies wouldn't cut it.

Also going in with stock supplies on Brig/Galleon feels like we are willingly accepting that we are more than likely to sink and all of us want to win, loss farming is out of question tbh

I only do PvP solo. I don't even supply. I grab whatever fits in my pockets on the way to/from the emissary table and my ship. I purchase nothing.

I know that the galleon has the same amount of cannonballs as the brig, which has 10 more than the sloop. It would have made sense for the galleon to have 10 more than the brig, not the same amount. Galleon has 5 more pieces of wood, but the same amount of food is on all ships.

I do think the supply meta has gotten out of hand a bit, and people have become too reliant on said supplies. But I do think the galleon should have a little more cannonballs.

One thing to consider here that may be why people fall on different sides of this issue is skill. If you are a good player, and land your shots, and can sink or stop an opponent in the first few passes, you aren't experiencing the supply crunch that those of us who don't have that skill have to deal with. If you win half or more of your games, you have a source of supplies after most of your battles. If you are like me, and often deal with runners who take 2 shots, get hit once, then sail away and repair, the supplies are not enough. I had a 50 minute solo sloop battle a few days ago because the other guy just hid in the fog, taking pot shots every few minutes. Even if I win that battle, the combined remaining supplies is not enough to dive again without resupplying.

For me, I think the supplies are sufficient as long as they remove the cooldown timer on Shipwright and Merchant crates after you sink in hourglass.

I meant to add that the reason this is an issue is that if the lower skilled players get frustrated by having no supplies, they will quit the game mode, and then the game mode turns even more sweaty, making it less attractive to lower skilled players, and it snowballs till only the top players are in the mode, and that isn't fun for anyone.

Leave the XP boost as is

So the xp boost will become the normal xp, so it won’t be a boost anymore.

I was always against the influx of supplies but its the direction the game has gone in order to get people into the sea's quickly. I used to stock up quite abit but then it becomes quite demoralising when you sink in HG. Right now though supplies are crazy in how easy it is to become overstocked. I'm not joking here, I won a sloop battle in HG and ended up with over 2000 cannonballs!

Supplies need a review again, specials are in a good place, basics should be fairly plentiful from the docks like they are now but the ships need a hard cap on the barrels to stop overstocking. It's removing any form of strategy from adventure PvP. HG would be hardly affected by a cap, the aim of HG isn't to fight for an hour over a fort, it's get the fight done as quickly as possible to move on to the next one.

@dobob4242 post a separate suggestion, reviving old posts is against forum rules so they'll lock this one..
That said hg is part of normal adventure and keg birds do happen. They have toned them down as it was a lot more common when hg released. I think it's a good thing adds a bit more variety in terms of tactics available and it's another thing to watch out for.