Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!

  • Smuntface
    Captain
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    Hey everyone.

    There's an issue I have with how resilient the sloop is.
    How slowly it fills with water and how OP the bucket is, compared to other boats.

    Lets say you regular keg any opposing boat, wipe their whole crew in the explosion, then stay alive and engage the crew in PvP, you have a fighting chance of sinking them. The sloop crew can come back, fight you off. You may have to fight off a sloop crew for 3+ waves after kegging them until they finally sink, given how slowly the sloop fills and how effective a bucket is.

    Now if you MEGA-keg a gally or brig, wiping their whole crew with the explosion, they're toast IME. Rarely gonna survive that if it's placed correctly. But in a sloop, being squad wiped by a mega-keg is something you can casually shake off, like it's a minor inconvenience. Saw it twice recently. Been there, bought the postcard.

    Three questions;
    Has the MEGA-keg been de-powered on the sloop?
    Has the volume of the bucket on a sloop gone too far, does it need to be pulled back a bit?
    Should this sloop bucket buff only apply to solo sloop players?

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  • Captain Coel
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    @smuntface mega kegs were depowree year(s) ago. the do damage to an inner and outer diameter. If you mega the front or back of a sloop you aren't doing nearly enough damage. A mega on the stairs is a different story.

  • WolfManbush
    Champion

    a couple of years ago "I mega kegged them!!! YAY!"

    current day "I mega kegged them so I bought myself 8 seconds of time"

    also current day " they killed me boarding with the mega keg, defused the mega, and I am forever embarrassed of what just happened"

  • PersonalC0ffee
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    Boatswain

    Mega Kegs used to be death.

    They were so OP they had to tone them down.

    They were simply too effective in the majority of fights. All it took was one and you were dang near done. You had to really scramble as a crew, really know your placement, etc to be able to survive one.

    Now, they are powerful but not a guaranteed win in the battle.

    Using one at the right time in battle, can shift the tide.

    But the downsides in carrying them, offsets that shift so most players do not bother carrying them.

  • WolfManbush
    Champion

    @personalc0ffee said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    Mega Kegs used to be death.

    They were so OP they had to tone them down.

    They were simply too effective in the majority of fights. All it took was one and you were dang near done. You had to really scramble as a crew, really know your placement, etc to be able to survive one.

    Now, they are powerful but not a guaranteed win in the battle.

    Using one at the right time in battle, can shift the tide.

    But the downsides in carrying them, offsets that shift so most players do not bother carrying them.

    megas weren't over powered because their quantity never got out of control. they were tied to high risk events outside of a random one here or there.

    they didn't need a nerf over anything balancing related, they just changed direction with them, making them fairly uninteresting for competitive fights as it's so easy for experienced players to recover from them.

  • PersonalC0ffee
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    Boatswain

    @wolfmanbush said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    @personalc0ffee said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    Mega Kegs used to be death.

    They were so OP they had to tone them down.

    They were simply too effective in the majority of fights. All it took was one and you were dang near done. You had to really scramble as a crew, really know your placement, etc to be able to survive one.

    Now, they are powerful but not a guaranteed win in the battle.

    Using one at the right time in battle, can shift the tide.

    But the downsides in carrying them, offsets that shift so most players do not bother carrying them.

    megas weren't over powered because their quantity never got out of control. they were tied to high risk events outside of a random one here or there.

    they didn't need a nerf over anything balancing related, they just changed direction with them, making them fairly uninteresting for competitive fights as it's so easy for experienced players to recover from them.

    Nah, they nerfed 'em and too hard, IMO.

    They can still put you in a tough spot these days but they don't really scream mega.

  • BurnBacon
    Vanguard
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    How slowly it fills with water and how OP the bucket is, compared to other boats.

    and yet...Galleon has two rows to fill and bucket is the same. Who is more OP?

    A good sloop crew can survive any keg explosion. Bad crew will sink instantly.

    Now if you MEGA-keg a gally or brig, wiping their whole crew with the explosion, they're toast

    What? Ive mega keg a galleon Twice before while the crew died at the same time, the ship still survived. How? One crew mate bucket and saved it just long enough. Maybe it was my poor placement? who knows

    Now compare to your story, I mega keg myself once, by the time I respawned...My sloop was gone. Keg was on top deck.

    I think your simply failing at dealing with sloops and not know how to survive your own ship.

  • GoldsMen
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    Every ship can recover from a mega keg, just because you want to be able to have an instant win against the sloop since its small does not mean you should have an instant win option. If a galleon or brig can recover from a mega if they play smart, so should a sloop be able to. If the entire crew of a sloop is in the range of a mega, they will struggle just as hard as larger ships.

    Every ship has a set crew size and a set rate that they sink per hole to balance it for that crew size, a good crew on any ship is just as capable of surviving any situation.

  • Smuntface
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    @burnbacon said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    I think your simply failing at dealing with sloops and not know how to survive your own ship.

    you're

    Nah that's not what I'm asking. Try re-reading my post.

    I've mega-kegged plenty of boats, things have definitely changed since I started playing. Regular keg plays always required pressure on a crew in addition, to get the job done. But mega-kegs don't seem to be as back-breaking as they used to be. Wiping a whole crew with a mega usually meant the ship was sunk or very close to sunk, before they could even get back from the ferry. I've been on the winning and losing side of that one. Presently, the newer respawn timers decreasing for smaller ships has changed things.
    So my question was, have mega kegs been changed? And now I know that they have.

    @goldsmen said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    Every ship can recover from a mega keg, just because you want to be able to have an instant win against the sloop since its small does not mean you should have an instant win option.

    Not the point I was making. I was asking about changes with mega's & the sloops' tank-like attributes.
    We all know a sweat sloop is the scariest opponent on the seas.

  • ScurvyWoof
    Captain

    The sloop should be tanky. One mast, two cannons, easy to be hit by cannons, slow, etc. The least it can do is survive.

  • GoldsMen
    Captain
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    @smuntface said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    @burnbacon said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    I think your simply failing at dealing with sloops and not know how to survive your own ship.

    you're

    Nah that's not what I'm asking. Try re-reading my post.

    I've mega-kegged plenty of boats, things have definitely changed since I started playing. Regular keg plays always required pressure on a crew in addition, to get the job done. But mega-kegs don't seem to be as back-breaking as they used to be. Wiping a whole crew with a mega usually meant the ship was sunk or very close to sunk, before they could even get back from the ferry. I've been on the winning and losing side of that one. Presently, the newer respawn timers decreasing for smaller ships has changed things.
    So my question was, have mega kegs been changed? And now I know that they have.

    @goldsmen said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    Every ship can recover from a mega keg, just because you want to be able to have an instant win against the sloop since its small does not mean you should have an instant win option.

    Not the point I was making. I was asking about changes with mega's & the sloops' tank-like attributes.
    We all know a sweat sloop is the scariest opponent on the seas.

    You corrected bacon to the wrong "your" he had it right but even if he was wrong, grammar isnt important if you got what he meant. But as for your response to me, the sloop is tank like because it has the lowest player count while larger ships have more cannons, so it needs more durability

  • ZiG ZaG LTU
    Commander
    Insider

    Sloop is not too tanky, the mast on the other hand, especially when fighting against another sloop. Landing 2 chainshots in a row on a single cannon is not an easy feat. But I like these balance changes.

    I'm all up for making kegs more powerful though.

  • BBoaBrim
    Rogue

    @goldsmen said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    @smuntface said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    @burnbacon said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    I think your simply failing at dealing with sloops and not know how to survive your own ship.

    you're

    Nah that's not what I'm asking. Try re-reading my post.

    I've mega-kegged plenty of boats, things have definitely changed since I started playing. Regular keg plays always required pressure on a crew in addition, to get the job done. But mega-kegs don't seem to be as back-breaking as they used to be. Wiping a whole crew with a mega usually meant the ship was sunk or very close to sunk, before they could even get back from the ferry. I've been on the winning and losing side of that one. Presently, the newer respawn timers decreasing for smaller ships has changed things.
    So my question was, have mega kegs been changed? And now I know that they have.

    @goldsmen said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    Every ship can recover from a mega keg, just because you want to be able to have an instant win against the sloop since its small does not mean you should have an instant win option.

    Not the point I was making. I was asking about changes with mega's & the sloops' tank-like attributes.
    We all know a sweat sloop is the scariest opponent on the seas.

    You corrected bacon to the wrong "your" he had it right but even if he was wrong, grammar isnt important if you got what he meant. But as for your response to me, the sloop is tank like because it has the lowest player count while larger ships have more cannons, so it needs more durability

    To be honest I think he was referring to the “your” in your simply failing… It should have been you’re - as in you are simply failing … “Your” denotes possession. However, as you say, grammar is not important.

  • GoldsMen
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    @pumpa-cat said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    @goldsmen said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    @smuntface said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    @burnbacon said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    I think your simply failing at dealing with sloops and not know how to survive your own ship.

    you're

    Nah that's not what I'm asking. Try re-reading my post.

    I've mega-kegged plenty of boats, things have definitely changed since I started playing. Regular keg plays always required pressure on a crew in addition, to get the job done. But mega-kegs don't seem to be as back-breaking as they used to be. Wiping a whole crew with a mega usually meant the ship was sunk or very close to sunk, before they could even get back from the ferry. I've been on the winning and losing side of that one. Presently, the newer respawn timers decreasing for smaller ships has changed things.
    So my question was, have mega kegs been changed? And now I know that they have.

    @goldsmen said in Sloop too Tanky, bucket too big. Mega keg should be death!:

    Every ship can recover from a mega keg, just because you want to be able to have an instant win against the sloop since its small does not mean you should have an instant win option.

    Not the point I was making. I was asking about changes with mega's & the sloops' tank-like attributes.
    We all know a sweat sloop is the scariest opponent on the seas.

    You corrected bacon to the wrong "your" he had it right but even if he was wrong, grammar isnt important if you got what he meant. But as for your response to me, the sloop is tank like because it has the lowest player count while larger ships have more cannons, so it needs more durability

    To be honest I think he was referring to the “your” in your simply failing… It should have been you’re - as in you are simply failing … “Your” denotes possession. However, as you say, grammar is not important.

    Thats my bad, i only saw the second one!

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