CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE

@wolfmanbush
Dont wanna interrupt your positive thinking here and anything, while you think its not widespread the problem is spreading, you thought im just telling stories and look what we got here? Surprise surprise, a man bailing water into enemy ship from 100 meters, auto-repairing ship and not banned, feeling absolutely comfortable, another arena vet, average pvp and menus enjoyer...These people not afraid of reports at all

https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaofthieves/comments/10dhcpk/when_meeting_a_friendly_cheater_turns_into_an/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

@nex-stargaze Mate, i obviously need to keep on repeating myself:
If a report/bann system is open for abuse - then its a bad system. Plain and simple. Then the Developer did a pretty bad job on it. The player can only report based on perception and believe, how can the player have anything better. The player cannot look into the programm and the numbers. The developer can. It-is-the-developers-job
How far can you go to shift the issue towards the paying customer instead of the company that is responsible. This is no argument for anything.

You two are contradicting yourselves btw, dunno if you realize that.
@WolfManbush denies a bigger hack-problem exists.
@Nex-Stargaze Argues Rare would alrdy know how widespread the issue is, but needed time to work on it. Well, i had this debate in the forum alrdy 2 years ago. How much time does someone need untill you come to the conclusion he simply does not care.
Talk for yourself only bro, because the rest of us, we very well want to know what Rare is going to do about the issue. And the Rest of us are also very well aware that a proper report feature and proper hack-monitoring is nothing groundbreaking or new - No. It is a basic feature. As much as I like SoT, sadly many basic features - standards of the industry of you want it like that - are missing. Maybe you dont need to know, but, you are talking for only yourself here mate. Clearly.
You are also simply wrong about your other statements mate:

• You dont "warn" hackers if you simply speak about the issue and inform your community what your plans are. The industry is full of examples about that.
  It does show a lack of interest in communicating with your community though if you dont.
  The only person you are defending with not talking about it is the company itself. And for what higher goal? Issues like that dont change unless people make it public. And, here again you are contradicting yourself mate: On the one hand you try to tell us we should not speak about it, on the other hand you admit that Rare is only aware of it because of the many vids...
• Imo the situation would not have needed to become as grave as it is now, if Rare would have spent some time the last 3 years (since steam launch) to develope a proper software. These issues are not new. They simply are not. They just got exponentially worse now with the PvP update. But they always persisted. If people are alrdy talking widespread about it, and youtube videos are watched freely, then the situation is alrdy too far. Rare brought it on themselves though, imho.

That being said, I still like the game. I still love the company. And I am positive they will be able to get it going eventually. After all the game really benefits from its design, where hacking is somewhat limited in the damage it causes, and not an issue for everyone at all times.

Unfortunately, I believe that many here have no idea what is happening with the game. And the frequency of situations like the one in the previous video has increased a lot with the addition of PvP, after all, it's inviting to those who cheat in the game. I'm not saying that the game is FULL of cheater, I'm just saying that the frequency of these encounters, IMHO, has increased. The percentage of this information only Rare has access to, right? Maybe I'm wrong and I was lucky I didn't find them often before.

Look, the game seems to not have effective defense against cheaters, so much so that cheaters can do BASICALLY anything they want. I will not send several video links here that prove this. Just search on YT and watch yourself. Let's just go to the list of things we can find on these many YT videos:

Cheaters that are easy to recognize and report:

• Repair any ship (theirs or enemies)
• Raise and fix any mast instantly
• Removes all water from the ship instantly
• Remove any player from any ship , theirs or enemies (they fall into the water).
• Buy any skin, even blocked
• Immortality
• Run and climb stairs instantly

Cheaters that are difficult to report

• Hardly miss sniper shots or cannons. Here it can be auto aim or graphic aim indicator;
• Always see you (including your name) through walls (almost impossible to board or attack them)
• Crosshair on the screen.

I also understand that there is a whole difficulty in the development and adoption of these anti-cheat softwares. Still, it would be great if Rare had some transparency on their actions in this matter, especially if they were put into practice quickly. Regardless of the percentage of cheaters in the game, I believe adding anti-cheat software will be beneficial to the entire community.

@wolfmanbush Yea, its not mast and ship taking no damage, its just skills, also pouring water in enemy ship is skill too, well i must agree, it involves skills to write some stuff like that.

I am writing to express my disappointment with the rampant cheating problem that seems to be present in your online platform.

Proof or it mainly..idk someone better than you?

As a player, it is disheartening to encounter cheating players who are using unfair means to gain an advantage.

Such as?

recommend that your company implements a report feature that would allow players to report suspicious behavior or cheating. This feature would allow you to take appropriate action against cheating players and help to ensure a fair and enjoyable experience for all players.

Much like how every other games has one, but with a game with millions of players. Can you picture the amount of "Non cheaters" reports? Fake reports. Reports just because you lost and you feel they "cheated"

@wolfmanbush said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@kayokgs said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

• Hardly miss sniper shots or cannons. Here it can be auto aim or graphic aim indicator;

or what it likely is most of the time, skill

a skill that was developed through hours and hours of reps

being good at something that is practiced during large chunks of the day is not suspicious or unusual.

Sure, It can be!!! I agree with you! I also agree that some people don't know how to recognize a cheater from a person who plays well, and that some people don't even know how to lose (they invoke cheaters).

However, this does not contradict any of my earlier statements. Also, you cannot take a small part of a long text (mine) and base your entire defense on that small part that may invariably be true. For me, you have to argue about all the above points, not just 1. And what about the others? What else do you have to comment? "I try to counter all the points you make. If you don't do the same, the conversation will be fruitless" (not that I did with you, cause I didn't reply anyone).

That's why I don't dwell on these topics.

@wolfmanbush said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

the main disagreement is how often it is happening, imo the people that are convinced it's plaguing the environment are caught up what happens to a lot of people, especially on the internet. Where people are convincing each other they are right by focusing only on the anecdotes that confirm their belief rather than using it as a piece for the whole, seeing that the cheating encounters are an extreme minority of the overall encounters in the game.

I wouldn't say "extreme minority of the overall encounters" when you have an online game that have not effective defense against cheater. I would agree 100% with you if we had it, but we don't. So, you can not express it like you said. Besides, what is "extreme minority" for you? 1%? 5%?

Let us compare to other games! I've been playing another FPS game (I don't wanna say its name) for more than 7 years and I could catch a cheater only once and suspected about 3 or 4 others. This is a good numbe, don't you think? What about SoT?

It's like when people try to spread labels against groups of people based on collecting and sharing extreme examples of individual encounters, very common and amplified with existence of modern day internet. In reality it's individual incidents that only appear to be common when the focus is only on confirming the negative belief about others.

I agree that there're people who do that. However, like a said before, our current game environment doesn't give us the slightest certainty to say that, unfortunately. So yeah, I would say that I agree partially with you.

When the focus is on overall encounters that are happening, a majority of which are in no way involving cheating it becomes clear that the issue is within small pockets of the activity and in no way overwhelming the environment.

I agree with you, partially because of the same reasons I said before.

Continuing the conversation, did you notice that topics like this has more and more often created after season 8 Pvp Mode? I don't think it's just a coincidence.

Let me show something in a different point of view. Currently, the game environment is inviting to cheating (no effective defense, PvP on demand and impossible to prove in many cases). I believe that you should not disagree. A single cheater will have hundreds of encounters before having his account banned (if anyone succeeds, after all, there are cheaters that are super difficult or impossible to prove). In addition to considerably increasing the chance of finding someone who participates in this forum (and creates topics like this one), it also increases the probability of influencing another player to use a cheater (like friends and other people). I'm not even going to comment on those people who quit the game. You see, it's a negative cycle with no end other than Rare's hand.

That's why I say, and I doubt anyone can contradict it, that "Regardless of the percentage of cheaters in the game, I believe adding anti-cheat software will be beneficial to the entire community."

I would really like to have a serious, adult dialogue, as it should be, with people who have coherent arguments "for" and "against" this discussion (anti-cheat software). Evidently, in the presence of some Rare employee with unbiased thoughts. Better with datas from Rare. Dude, it will be awesome!

Correction: "Dude, it would be awesome!"

@wolfmanbush said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@kayokgs said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

Continuing the conversation, did you notice that topics like this has more and more often created after season 8 Pvp Mode? I don't think it's just a coincidence.

I posted that it would happen before the season was released lol

It was going to significantly increase combat encounters and it was going to be a season of being humbled in combat. This is a game with a long history of non-competition. Crews wrecking pvers that couldn't compete, that's what this game's history is.

People that rarely lost before more often lose now, that was going to bring in more accusations in a game like this.

People that rarely challenged themselves before are now being challenged, that is going to bring in more accusations.

This game is heavy on ego in pvp, it just is, it's also heavy on people padding their content with non-competitive "fights", the content brought in a lot of skill and season 8 is far more competitive than anything that has ever existed in the game before.

It was predictable and I agree with you 100%. The game doesn't show us how to properly fight. The learning curve is to HIGH and too time-consuming (i'd say MONTHS to be a average pvp player)! Even so, you don't say something that invalidates the creation of topics like this in this forum. The cheating problem seems, at least, to be real (I can't say in what percentage), the game's environment is extremely conducive and vulnerable (everyone knows, see YT), and that this is bringing harm to the community and the game itself. Consequently, threads like this will be more and more created until Rare does something to mitigate this situation.

It's no use trying to defend the indefensible, or even trying (like the people who just say "show us proof"). Hiding topics like this would just stifle the feeling and the problem. We all know that it's very hard to believe in the security of the game, unfortunately, regardless of whether the thread creator brought concrete proof (not even you contradicted me on this argument earlier)! Hence the need for something to be done urgently.

I hope to see the game with more effective defenses against cheaters soon. It will be a great day! The Seas will be bluer

That's why I say, and I doubt anyone can contradict it, that "Regardless of the percentage of cheaters in the game, I believe adding anti-cheat software will be beneficial to the entire community." x2

@foambreaker said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@kayokgs The other day I was watching Twitch and someone used the teleport cheat and it was witnessed by 100s of people on the stream. I don't watch except for drops so what are the odds?

Two streamer that I follow also caught cheaters (the more obvious ones). They even publish the video on YT (I won't link it because I don't know the consequences). PvP On Demand is making this issue more visible by increasing the amount of encounters/battles, fact! So.. yeah!

Correction: "the most obvious ones"

some people just like to negate everything and oppose everything.. better just ignore them for a healthier debate

@burnbacon a dit dans CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE :

recommend that your company implements a report feature that would allow players to report suspicious behavior or cheating. This feature would allow you to take appropriate action against cheating players and help to ensure a fair and enjoyable experience for all players.

Much like how every other games has one, but with a game with millions of players. Can you picture the amount of "Non cheaters" reports? Fake reports. Reports just because you lost and you feel they "cheated"

That "argument" is rubbish.

So you don't implement a reporting system out of fear that there will be a mass amount of "false reports" ?

Your logic is beyond me.