Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices

@girlzn2gamez Rare has talked a lot about how the infinite pirate generator limits certain cosmetics and has been a source of a whole range of problems. Tbh I think they should just redo the whole character creation system (they can keep it pseudo random if they want) but at least let players influence the type of pirate they get (gender, height, size...). I don't care if this results in me losing my character and having to pick a new one that is a sacrifice worth having if it means new range of cosmetics and better character creation!

The issues with IPG have been brought up countless times by now, it really needs to get completely reworked.

At the very least it should include filters for body type, face type, skin color, eye color, gender selection and more. Ideally they would just make a proper character creator.

@schwammlgott said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

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At the very least it should include filters for body type, face type, skin color, eye color, gender selection and more. Ideally they would just make a proper character creator.

Those "included" filters would make it a character creator basicly...
No, a gender filter would be enough...that, or nothing...you don’t see your character most of the time anyway

No, it would not be enough. I dont need you to tell me what I want.

You dont see yourself IRL most of the time either, does that mean you dont care what you look like? So tired of debunking this same argument over and over again.

@zig-zag-ltu said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

@galactic-geek said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

Gender is a touchy subject, especially nowadays with how fluid people assume it to be. I think this is chiefly why Rare hasn't changed it. Forcing someone who identifies differently to choose between being a man or woman would be like a slap in the face for them (or whatever their pronouns may be). Unfortunate for the rest of us to be sure, but it's a small inconvenience at best that we can certainly live with. So, not happy with what you see? Keep spinning! 😅

Good sir, you are bold to say this. I like the cut of your gib.

@alienmagi And this also takes into consideration how the game is all about this "Player expression" angle and how people looking their best is one of the attractive elements to it.

So even if players don't see themselves all the time, it's still worth looking nice and fancy because other players get to see you, and because you know yourself how you look :p

@galactic-geek So make the filter optional; no clicky, get the current behavior.

Seems like the current design is diversity through impatience; most folks are eager to play so end up taking the first semi-appealing pirate they see. On the flip side, lots of interesting things happen when people are forced to make an important decision via a set of imperfect options. For example, my pirate looks nothing like the pirate I thought I wanted, but I’m quite pleased with the result (though had I known more about curses I probably would’ve selected a less squinty-eyed one).

I’d suggest allowing an optional gender filter and then allowing selection of a pirate as a “base” to tweak the offered option without making it too easy to create Sea of Chads.

@schwammlgott said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

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@schwammlgott said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

@alienmagi sagte in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

At the very least it should include filters for body type, face type, skin color, eye color, gender selection and more. Ideally they would just make a proper character creator.

Those "included" filters would make it a character creator basicly...
No, a gender filter would be enough...that, or nothing...you don’t see your character most of the time anyway

No, it would not be enough. I dont need you to tell me what I want.

You dont see yourself IRL most of the time either, does that mean you dont care what you look like? So tired of debunking this same argument over and over again.

This example is just perfect...as irl you can change your outfit, makeup, tattoos etc...but the overall look is made from DNA and you can't change that...you can't have another nose, voice, or make yourself taler (ok, a doctor can help you with that, but let's keep that away for now)
See it that way...but as you said, I don’t need to tell you what you want...but I tell you what you get and that won't change! The game is out for 4,5 years now and this was discussed to death already...and what did change? Nothing! No matter what you want, this won't change, so deal with it

Terrible argument. This is a video game and if you want to appeal to realism you might as well argue that there should be permadeath in the game.

You can tell us what will or will not be added to the game all you want, but you're not part of the developer team so whatever you think is going to happen are pure assumptions.

I'd love to know why you're gatekeeping character customization when it wouldn't affect you in any way whatsoever?

@schwammlgott Is there a reason for all the snark you're exhibiting?

@schwammlgott You know exactly what I'm talking about.

@schwammlgott said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

@alienmagi right...I'm no Rare employee...but as I said...they didn't add this in almost 5 years, even when threads like this came up since then, many of them...so I guess they will add it now, because you want it 🙄

Captaincy didnt come out for over 4 years either. And here we are?

@schwammlgott said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

@alienmagi sagte in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

Terrible argument. This is a video game and if you want to appeal to realism you might as well argue that there should be permadeath in the game.

By the way...you started with the irl-argument

No I didn't. I just gave a relatable example why not seeing yourself 100% of the time has nothing to do with wanting to look good. I never said that realistic mechanics should be in the game, like you did.

Can't help but notice how you avoided my question about why you're gatekeeping something that wouldn't affect you in any way.

I never understood the whole "gender" situation when it came to pirate generator (he says as his first pirate was a female pirate mistakenly assumed to be an average bodied male pirate). The IPG always gives you a decent selection, even the ideal body shapes you're looking for. The major flaw comes down to face construction, since it seems nearly every face gets mangled for the cartoon-y aesthetic. Regardless, gender shouldn't matter when you can get your ideal body type of either sex and have the choice of either putting a dress on them or a whole suit. The idea of a fantasy is looking however way you want with the character you choose from the generator, and the IPG doesn't fail at that as hard as people are consistently suggesting. I don't like the IPG at times, but it does a good job at providing the cartoon-ish pirates that make up the population of the game's world. Pride or not, all bases are covered here and there should be no heated discussion about gender with a generator that provides the sex you're looking for.

There do need to be more vest variations though, at least a Scrapper Vest that works as a jacket at the very minimum.

Imagine if we could just select from 12 colors on any clothing pieces. Or choose 2 colors on clothing with more colors on them. The opportunities for dressing up would be so much greater. Everyone could be more unique. I could finally wear a purple shirt.

If they made the base texture of the clothing black and white and mapped out the separate colored areas and let us choose the color...

Would be amazing but I guess its too much work to do for the cosmetics.

@i-jusa-i said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

Imagine if we could just select from 12 colors on any clothing pieces. Or choose 2 colors on clothing with more colors on them. The opportunities for dressing up would be so much greater. Everyone could be more unique. I could finally wear a purple shirt.

If they made the base texture of the clothing black and white and mapped out the separate colored areas and let us choose the color...

Would be amazing but I guess its too much work to do for the cosmetics.

Clothing obviously could do an improvement, but what I would really like to see is something they have in ''League of Legends'' - Chromas for costumes. Basically a skin for a skin. Take for example the Bonechiller costume - basically a skelleton Santa. It would be awesome if you could also have variations of Green/Blue/Yellow etc.

@schwammlgott said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

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@schwammlgott said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

Captaincy didnt come out for over 4 years either. And here we are?

New feature vs existing one
Not really compareable

Why I defend it? Because I like it the way it is. Because a character creator would affect me...seeing these "self-made-alien-like" creatures or whatever kind of character some would create running around...I can do without these

Character creator and IPG filters are not existing features.

What are you talking about? What "alien looking characters" have you seen in the game exactly? Do you actually think having filters or a character creator would let you sculpt your own 3d models? There are already clearly set limits to character body proportions and nobody said they should be expanded.

Just because you played one game before with a bad character creator doesn't mean it will be the same in every game lol.

You're reaching so far at this point there's just no reason to address your points anymore.

@girlzn2gamez honestly there are a million ways to make the pirate creator better. Sadly many people are against changing it. Those people are people who have been using the same pirate for the past 4 years and have never used the pirate generator since 2018 xD

There are a lot of narcissists against the idea of this because they assume everyone will make the same exact pirate because they have this weird notion that whatever pirate they have in mind is everyone else’s go to choice.

Their logic is hysterical because most players just pick a skinny dark skinned guy and call it a day. Or they spend hours just to slap on default tuck outfit.

@robby0316 said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

@girlzn2gamez honestly there are a million ways to make the pirate creator better. Sadly many people are against changing it. Those people are people who have been using the same pirate for the past 4 years and have never used the pirate generator since 2018 xD

There are a lot of narcissists against the idea of this because they assume everyone will make the same exact pirate because they have this weird notion that whatever pirate they have in mind is everyone else’s go to choice.

Their logic is hysterical because most players just pick a skinny dark skinned guy and call it a day. Or they spend hours just to slap on default tuck outfit.

Can't disagree with that.

It's always the funniest to see these people say "If people will be able to customize their characters, then they will all make Jack Sparrow!", which I consider to be a cop-out argument to make. Personally I have some ideas for characters that are based more around my imagination rather than staring at a screenshot of Johnny Depp and then making a character around him.

Didn't know about the last part though. Are people really just going by the "Minmax route" of making skinny black characters in order to tuck better? That's so ridiculous that it's hard to believe.

@schwammlgott said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

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@schwammlgott said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

Captaincy didnt come out for over 4 years either. And here we are?

New feature vs existing one
Not really compareable

Why I defend it? Because I like it the way it is. Because a character creator would affect me...seeing these "self-made-alien-like" creatures or whatever kind of character some would create running around...I can do without these

can confirm. If character creator exsists there is a 33.33% chance I create myself, a 33.33% chance I'll do, like, almost nothing with it but that other 33.33%....I will create the most hideous, ugly pirate to EVER EXSIST! It will be so REVOLTING that even other pirates will look at them and think "wow they're ugly!" and when I fight someone...I'll just hop aboard their ship and watch as they jump in the water to avoid looking at my face...and it's safe to say I'm not alone...there will be many other creatures just like me......do you really want to see my hideous character making skills, sea? DO YOU?!?

@realwebber69 said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:
do you really want to see my hideous character making skills, sea? DO YOU?!?

Yes.

The fact that there is only one vest kinda summarizes my main issue with this game, the awful lack of cosmetics! Nearly five years into the game and an insane amount of completed cosmetics (that have presumably been in the files for years, ready to be added) still remain unreleased, it's silly.

Also regarding the IPG, two things would make it perfect:

Gender filter - seriously doubt anyone would object to this, just helps one find a type of pirate faster and maintains randomness

Remove/change clothing - clothing often obfuscates the body type, which is very important when choosing a pirate.

Most other changes would defeat the point of the ipg, these two would just vastly improve it.

@kalgert said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:

@realwebber69 said in Gender specific characters and more scrapper vest choices:
do you really want to see my hideous character making skills, sea? DO YOU?!?

Yes.

Are you SURE you you can handle it? Because it will be ugly…ugly in PIRATE STANDARDS…