Captaincy Brig and Kick

@crowedhunter said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

Other people are for this too and I haven't heard a single argument against it that can't be applied inversely to support it.

I'm sure it can be applied - it will be the end of open crew though.

Joining a crew, doing the work and then getting kicked from the crew because a friend of the Captain comes online would probably be the last time someone will join such a crew.

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Other people are for this too and I haven't heard a single argument against it that can't be applied inversely to support it.

Dave!!!! We found a box of vvonderouz secretzz. I just kicked a guy who helped us the whole voyageee, We have one free spot come on!!!!!!!!!

While i feel your grief, giving the option to kick out someone would open the door to the same toxic players to invite people over and kick them out just before turn in for fun or to let their friend in instead. so it can’t happen.
Best is to forget open crew and/or videotape everything. if you are being sexually harassed by a player like you claim make sure to record or screenshot the text and report it to rare. they will get banned for it regardless if they were on your crew or an enemy crew.

If I ever set my crew to open, the consequences are my own fault. Remember the base of SOT players are like 8-13 years old

@crowedhunter said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

@lem0n-curry The scenario you propose here already happens in inverse. I'll just leave the ship or more realistically, never play with Open Crew in the first place. Like it is now.

Leaving the ship after 5 minutes because you found out the crew has one or more trolls or made to leave the ship after an hour or more playing and getting loot &c . That's the difference.

@crowedhunter said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

@lem0n-curry Can you stop trying to end this quickly and give this some actual consideration?

I have given it consideration and I am against adding a feature to this game that can and will be used as a way to grief players.

@animeowl0807 said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

No. I have had terrible, terrible experiences with being brigged and spawncamped by my own crew. It's the reason why I no longer go open crew.

How can you get spawn-camped by your own crew? Isn't there no damage to crewmates?

@lem0n-curry like spawn-camping?

@sonya-the-red I agree the Captain should be able to kick. Obviously Rare wanted experienced captains to play with less experienced crew because honestly most people do not want to rack up someone else’s milestones (unless you have a permanent crew you play with already). That being said, the crew are visitors on a captains ship and should feel privileged to have a captain show them the way to gold and glory. A captain is already doing them a favor by allowing them on their ship, if they act out of line or start being rude or don’t contribute at all, the captain which is more often than not, the party leader, should be able to kick anyone.

To the people saying what about captain trolls: If you don’t want to be trolled by a captain then don’t join a captain ship as a crew?

I feel like the scenario where the crew are trolling a captain is much higher than if a captain trolls a crew. For example, if you join a post, the post creator who is the captain, is asking people to board their ship and contribute in a way that correlates with the post. If you violate the post specifications, then party leader/post creator/captain should be able to remove you.

Most people don’t go out of their way to create a post with the intention of trolling a crew. Most post creators need help.

@thagoochiestman said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

@lem0n-curry like spawn-camping?

Tagged the wrong person perhaps ?

@crowedhunter said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

@lem0n-curry Well that's fine, and you don't have to justify that even for you to be valid, but griefing happens as is.

I'm not happy with that either; what would be worse is Rare giving tools to people to grief and make it legitimate.

That's why open crew is a dead feature to me. And like you said, open crew being a dead feature to people is bad.

Try LFG perhaps ?

I'm not a troll, I'm a pretty friendly, albeit particular and curt person. I'd be nice to new players even if they weren't the best case scenario.

I never said you would use it to troll or grief other players, what I gathered is you got someone on you crew that was griefing and want them out.

But it isn't worth the risk when even a player shooting on sight is something that would make me not crew with them.

Wait ... you would kick someone from your crew because he's attacking another crew ?

That isn't griefing, but regardless the reasons to not use this feature are many and it would all be solved by giving the captain the ability to pick their first mate.

Huh ? Isn't this topic about removing persons from your crew ? What has a first mate got to do with it ?

I agree that bad faith participation is bad, but I think this issue is much closer to the fence than you realize. The distinction between who holds the power is almost arbitrary because what is really comes down to is who is least invested. I would say, typically, the captain of the ship is the most invested in the ship. They paid much gold for their ship.

And they can quit and start a new session just as easily and cheap as any other player. Just because you paid for a ship and put some trinkets in doesn't mean you got to boss the other crewmembers around.
Nowhere in the Captaincy update is this kind of suggestion made.

I feel the moral of this story is to stop using open crew lol. Just use the discord server much better to find people.

@sonya-the-red The big reason to NO to this is all the abuse that could happen especially with kick.

Image 2 IRL friends playing and being like "hey man it's been great and I know you just helped us get all this loot in the past 3 hours but my SO is hopping on and I promised them I would help them get PL"

or "Hey wow good fight there glad we sunk that OOS 5. Hope you did not need that flag though since my friend has been looking for one for a long time and I sort of promised to give it to him when we get one. No hard feelings though."

or my favorite and definitely would happen: "Holy a shrouded ghost yeah sorry man but I'm giving this to my IRL bud" blocked.

Don't know what the solution is here, the issue is its open to abuse and trolling from the captain side. Could be you joined a crew, invested money and fully supported a voyage then they remove you before you sell up

@lem0n-curry hey I recognise you, think we fought recently 'annoying sloop' I think was your description 😅

@hiradc said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

@lem0n-curry hey I recognise you, think we fought recently 'annoying sloop' I think was your description 😅

Aye we did fight recently, we sunk you, you returned and then you sunk us after a very long battle around Plunder Outpost.

The skloop in our 2nd battle was annoying :).

@crowedhunter said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

@lem0n-curry So it's a dead feature to me and that's fine and griefing happens and that's fine. But if it's the other way around that's bad. Okay, now that you said it with more words it suddenly makes sense.

Where did I say that if griefing happens (to you) that it would be fine ?

If you get actually griefed - report them.

@crowedhunter said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

@lem0n-curry Are you saying that's a solution to the open crew problem as it is now, but it's not a sufficient solution to griefing if done by a captain?

Reporting when getting griefed ? Yes, that's the way to handle it.

I don't think Rare CS would want to have I don't know how many reports of the "Captain used his privilege to kick me out": Look here's an hour-and-a-half video of me doing nothing that would deserve a kick from Captain.

If Open Crew doesn't work for you because of the long time someone joins you (perhaps worthy of a bug report) or the trolls that join you: try LFG and/or discord to find like-minded people to start a session with, discern if they are trolls or not at the beginning and set sail. Perhaps they turn out to be trolls after an hour or so, but IMO that chance is quite smaller than depending solely on Open Crew.

@thagoochiestman said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

@animeowl0807 said in Captaincy Brig and Kick:

No. I have had terrible, terrible experiences with being brigged and spawncamped by my own crew. It's the reason why I no longer go open crew.

How can you get spawn-camped by your own crew? Isn't there no damage to crewmates?

Except for blunderbombs, firebombs, and powder kegs. So tell us again how you can't be damaged by your own crew.

@dlchief58 Yeah, not to mention crewmate steering or harpooning into rocks or islands to damage ship.