Isnt the fishing milestone progress a bit over the top grindy?

It was 250 before. They nerfed it.

You arent suppouse to get them all. Only the base ones are there to grind. Tiers only change the funni wooden things they stand on for this (That's what Rare says at least).

100 fish is not over the top, but not easy. A good number.

@thorumsu yes but why even put it in the game like that then.

ofc, reaching level 10 for the first most basic one is a grind one can kinda do. But, whats the thought process in making it so ridiculously, insanely grindy to reach the better ones?
So much as so basically noone will ever do this?

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@thorumsu yes but why even put it in the game like that then.

ofc, reaching level 10 for the first most basic one is a grind one can kinda do. But, whats the thought process in making it so ridiculously, insanely grindy, so much as to basically noone will ever do.

Some people fish in this game A LOT. I mean A LOT. Kind of like how some people sit and play music a lot. This is a giant community with diffrent types of players.

Rare wanted to reward "all" of them for their playstyles...

Surely they didnt forget a playstyle right..?

Right..?

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@thorumsu sagte in Isnt the fishing milestone progress a bit over the top grindy?:

Some people fish in this game A LOT. I mean A LOT. Kind of like how some people sit and play music a lot. This is a giant community with diffrent types of players.

Rare wanted to reward "all" of them for their playstyles...

Surely they didnt forget a playstyle right..?

Right..?

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@thorumsu na, sorry mate, thats balloney.

Me and my friends are the type to fish a lot actually, and i think u dont really know what u are talking about here.
Go out there, fish for a while and u will see how insanly ridiculous this is.

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@thorumsu na, sorry mate, thats a balloney argument, only working if u have no clue what u talk about, as u probably never fished a lot.

Me and my friends are the type to fish a lot actually, and i think u dont really know what u are talking about here.
Go out there, fish for a while and u will see how insanly ridiculous this is.

I always end my last 5 levels of renown with fishing. A tradition of sorts. I know how it is. Some maniacs just play the game to fish and this is how Rare rewards them.

@thorumsu thats no reward, thats a punishment. Lock a treasure behind a mountain so big that u will not be able to climb it in years of dedication.

additionally, its also quite ridiculous if u compare it to how u make progress on the other milestones, where u easyly get some levels in some hours of playtime.

well i guess u can always spin anything into being "positive for the community" if u just turn an eye blind enough to shut any disturbing information out.

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@thorumsu thats no reward, thats a punishment. Lock a treasure behind a mountain so big that u will not be able to climb it in years of dedication.

Some people will get it before the 10 year lifetime of the game ends. Some strange people like just play the game to fish, catch like 40 splashtails, sell them and quit. I would not believe it if I did not meet them on the seas. Chill people addicted to fishing and RP side of the game. They will get it in a few years.

And those who want the trophy can just get the tier 10 version. The same thing but no gold plauqe.

You act like 1,000 fish isn’t an achievement…yet it’s too hard for lil ol’you?
You pity the soul who fished?
No sir.
They should be pittying your soul…for it shall be the fishermen who rule the seas. While you were busy plundering stuff from people, I studied the fishing rod. And while you were firing cannonballs at other parents, I was firing up the stove to cook some fish.
And when the megaladons get tired of being hunted and take over the seas, don’t try and turn to me for help, I shall be delighting the megaladons with my fish and my love of the ocean.
So…no sir the fishing trophy isn’t too hard.
It’s you who is being too hard towards the fishing trophy.
If you don’t enjoy the fishing minigame or trophy, then don’t try and snatch some bites and complain when you can’t get it after 10 fish.

@peony7185 yeah, well, the emphasis truely is on LONG here, clearly. Well, if some people can suck some meaning out of this, its fine for me i guess.
I still think its ridiculous, and anyone sucking it up instead of taking a step back and taking a look at it first, what they are given to eat - i will still pitty them.

@realwebber69 Whatever works for u. I just pitty the attitude of "yeah it needs to be so grindy so noone will ever get it, yeha u are all not worth it and its a good thing so it makes me special as i will be the only one to ever have it because i am the only one willing to grind to death for it" - is that kinda along ur line of thought? Seems like it.
Like, u can take ur meaning out of this, idc,
but to act like its a good thing noone will ever get it because the progress is so time consuming is just ridiculous. Its the attitude i pitty but i guess u will not understand me unless u spent some time reflecting on that. And, uhm, no its not an achievement im sorry, and its certainly not "hard" - its just insanly time consuming and i, as a working adult, have better and other things to do with my time as well. I mean, I guess if u count "spending time on video games" an achievement in itself, then yeah, go ahead. because thats all it is, fishing is not hard mate. I never loose any fish.

Again, my main issue is not the progress system in itself, its how much effort u need to put in. Its not in line with other milestones, it will take a ridiculous amount of time.
IDC about the trophy that much i guess, i think i fish quite a bit, and i never see people doing it, so i guess im somewhere in the top 10% or 5% of players-fishing if that makes sense. I will never see that trophy. I spent some weeks now (since the update) with a lot of fishing and i see my progress where i am at.
I just dont understand the thought process behind making it THAT lets say "exclusive". Well, i guess @ealwebber69 finally has meaning to his fishing, so at least one person in the community is happy now ;)

Yeah… these trinkets need to be progressed solo… a solo player must catch 10,000 fish to theoretically finish all fishing trophies.

Mind you, 2100 fish is the total to complete the Hunter’s Call commendations, which you can do as a full crew.

For one single max level fish trophy (out of 10) you must do half of the Hunter’s Call solo. Cutting it in half or even to a quarter of what it is would still take a good few months of nonstop fishing every day, and a quarter would still be four hundred more required than the Hunter’s Call commendations required, done solo.

I don’t care if they “never intended for you to get them all” or if they “are respecting the fishermen”, I don’t think there’s even a fishing simulator out there that requires 10,000 fish to be 100%’d. Rare spoke about “not making Rogue easier than others” but their logic doesn’t apply to making Hunter ridiculously tedious. Not fair.

P.S.: Only 0.01% of players have 100% the Hunter’s call. If we do some very janky math… assuming those people did it in a four man crew, considering it’s the fastest way, if we compensate for the fact that Hunter Milestones must be done alone, we can assume 0.0025% of players will do that- oh wait- it’s not just a quarter of the players, but four times the requirement. So, only 0.000625% of players would theoretically achieve it.

And to think, we removed Arena because 3% of players were engaging in it. What the heck does that mean for Hunter Milestones?

@parrotlord6426 yeah sorry if I came off a bit strong there
It’s just…
when you play animal crossing and catch as many sea bass as I do, no amount of fishing is too much anymore…
I enjoy fishing minigames
The simplicity of animal crossings and it being my first fishing minigame…
The enjoyment of stardew valleys fishing minigame and how I would race to bed before I pass out after fishing…
And the sea of thieves fishing minigame, taking away the usual chaos that the sea brings you….
I may not fish ALL the time
but…standing next to the stove, with a fresh fish, it gives me warmth, the type of warmth no amount of firebombs can give you…
Because in the end, you or me may NEVER get this level 100 trophy…
And while you may be sad you’ll never get that trophy….
I look at fishing as, not a grind, but an experience, away from the usual skeleton vanquishing….
Because in the end the TRUE fishing milestone…
was the friends we made along the way….

@realwebber69 na man, np. I also like to be a bit confronting and/or sarcastic at times. No offense taken there.

I do respect ur dedication to fishing, its great that u like it, dont get me wrong. U do urs man, enjoy.
But my point, im sure u understood by now, is a different one.
Its not even that u are not meant to "grind" for them, i know that, its that the trophy is so far out of reach that its basically a joke.

In Stardew Valley I got all the legendary fishes, and like 95% of the rest btw., just so u know im not a complete stranger to that too. Again gj on ur progress btw.

I think @klutchxking518 showed the issue in a good way of presenting some numbers. Even though they are a bit artificial and random, i dont think they are too far fetched.

The mentality of ''you arent supposed to get the high tier trinkets'' is just stupid. Why add them if they are intended to not be obtained.

The issue is that to grade 5 all variants of a fish you need to sell a minimum of 210 Fish assuming no duplicates. However you yourself do not need to catch all 210 of these fish. You need only be on the crew that sells it. This means that if you are on a Galleon you can all be fishing and it would take 4x less time, effectively the time it would take for you to catch 52.5 fish.

This compared to the Trinkets, which require you yourself to be the one fishing, and the very MINIMUM Trinket requires you to catch 100 fish, over double the requirement to actually max out all fish variants of that fish type. And that's just for TIER 1 TRINKET.

Legendary Hunter of the Sea of Thieves requires 2,310 fish sold. As you can do this on a galleon to cut the time into a quarter, that's actually just 577.5 fish for you yourself to catch.

To Max out all fishing trinkets would require 11,000 fish caught by yourself. Literally 19x longer grind than LHotSoT, which is intended to be THE endgoal of fishing, but now its barely anything compared to the stupid trinket requirements.

Yes it was nerfed from 250 but 100 is still just stupidly too high. Honestly instead of tying it to the milestone of battlegill caught just tie them to Hunter/Master Hunter/Legendary Hunter of the Sea of Thieves. Only 3 variants of the Trinket and once you have either of these titles you can start to unlock the tiers of Trinket.

TL;DR Maxed Trinkets require you to fish 11,000 and Legendary Hunter of the Sea of Thieves requires only 577,5 fish. Power creep moment

@parrotlord6426
I see. So a fellow fisherman.
Well, I gotta say I’m at least glad our paths crossed.
I do think MAYBE fishing could do with a nerf.
Sure, if it feels like an absolute joke maybe it should.
I don’t think it should be easy, but maybe if it’s really as bad as you say it is…
Still…
I learn not to let things like that get me down.
I just keep fishing, just like the Fishing Minigame god intended.
And hey, maybe you could pray to the Fishing Minigame God. Maybe he’ll answer it and nerf the milestones. Then again, maybe not.
Either way, you seem to seem to be dedicated to the fishing minigame…
I think the fishing minigame god would be ok if you took a break…
Either way I hope things work out for ya and you come back to fish at some point…
See ya, kid.

The real Webber proceeded to become one with the ocean, fishing up many fish, hanging out with the kraken and even meeting the shrouded ghost.

Not much is known about what happened to the parrot lord and whether he got the fishing trophies is unknown…but he did get one thing that day…respect from a fellow fisherman…

Megaladons eventually attempted an attack on the sea, but after someone had a meeting with the shrouded ghost, pirates and ocean life managed to live together in peace…except for those sirens, they were SEA-SALTY….hahaha….they were killed

The fishing minigame god smiled as while not many fished, he was happy that some were able to find peace because of his creation…

The islands eventually were washed up by rising tides…most islands were gone…but the sea posts remained. Most left the shroud, to face the GMU head on. A giant war was raged outside the shroud.
But for those who remained, they were met with a paradise were they could fish with no trouble and everyone lived in peace with the ocean life…the pirates life might’ve died…but the fisherman’s life shone brighter than a sea foam splash tail during the night…

You can now play as Luigi!

@thorumsu Counterpoint to "not over the top", that snowy wrecker that requires you to be at a ship-wreck in the middle of a storm. That thing still alludes me, even in Seafort barrels and sunken wreck barrels. I spent half an hour at a wreck with a huge storm overhead fishing with the right bait, nearly every wrecker spawned there for me except that snowy one.

@frogfish12 Maybe it wouldn't seem so absurd if captaincy wasn't released 3 years after fishing was added lol, I feel bad for players who grinded out legendary hunter.

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It’s not to much. IMO it’s not enough.

There are people who play this game ONLY to fish. Nice for them to have something to fish towards.
This is why there are milestones for multiple play styles, something for everyone instead of everything for everyone

@parrotlord6426 Hunter's call has always been grindy, and I hope that it will remain that way

@guyrza Bec u suffer through it, and u want others to suffer too? lol

Joke aside though, im not asking it to not be grindy. im asking it to not be so over the top.

Is fishing better on mouse or controller? Because holy smokes my hands hurt after a while on the controller moving endlessly back and forth on the stick.

@sf-lynx only played with mouse/keyboard, and, yeah, its pretty easy on that. u use the WASD for movement in general, so basically A, W and D for left, top and right. My hand never hurts from pressing the buttons, so, yeah its a lot better probably

Some people already have the maxed out trophies. I personally will only be going for the level 50 version of the trophies because I think the gold is a little much for fish.

Also pitying people just because they don’t agree with your opinion is definitely a weird way to go about the forums.

@klutchxking518 sagte in Isnt the fishing milestone progress a bit over the top grindy?:

Yeah… these trinkets need to be progressed solo… a solo player must catch 10,000 fish to theoretically finish all fishing trophies.

Mind you, 2100 fish is the total to complete the Hunter’s Call commendations, which you can do as a full crew.

For one single max level fish trophy (out of 10) you must do half of the Hunter’s Call solo. Cutting it in half or even to a quarter of what it is would still take a good few months of nonstop fishing every day, and a quarter would still be four hundred more required than the Hunter’s Call commendations required, done solo.

I don’t care if they “never intended for you to get them all” or if they “are respecting the fishermen”, I don’t think there’s even a fishing simulator out there that requires 10,000 fish to be 100%’d. Rare spoke about “not making Rogue easier than others” but their logic doesn’t apply to making Hunter ridiculously tedious. Not fair.

P.S.: Only 0.01% of players have 100% the Hunter’s call. If we do some very janky math… assuming those people did it in a four man crew, considering it’s the fastest way, if we compensate for the fact that Hunter Milestones must be done alone, we can assume 0.0025% of players will do that- oh wait- it’s not just a quarter of the players, but four times the requirement. So, only 0.000625% of players would theoretically achieve it.

And to think, we removed Arena because 3% of players were engaging in it. What the heck does that mean for Hunter Milestones?

Lets also not forget: In the recommendations, the one only 0.01% of players have completed, u can share the fish by fishing together and selling as a crew. and u can also fetch them out of wrecks, which is quite the worthwhile task for a solo slooper at times. But the new milestones, u have to do indefinitly more, and also have no bonus of teammate sharing, or wreck diving. I repeat myself: its ridiculous :D

@parrotlord6426 thats the point of Hunter's Call - to be the grindiest faction ever. So yeah, we fisherman enjoy the pain of it

@guyrza Yeah I take solo fishing over solo forts or ashen winds any day. Now THAT feels grindy to me (if you do em solo)

I want to grind for these but not in my right mind can I catch a fish and tell myself “that’s one! 9,999 more!”. That’s more fish than any fishing sim I know has asked. Hell, I bet it’s more fish than any one person in real life has caught with just a pole!

I am willing and aiming to max out all trinkets because I want to scratch my cosmetic itch. Rare shouldn’t have put trinkets behind them if they didn’t want them to be achieved, that’s just spitting in the face of completionists. I have other milestones I’d like to do too, but fishing would take up my full attention. 2100 fish was a lot, and that was nonstop days of sitting with 3 other people.

10,000 alone is just psychotic

@sudsierboar5526 ah, fellow Hunter's Call chad, its a pleasure)

@sudsierboar5526 100 forts is something that can be reasonably attained. There’s already a Commendation for doing 120 of them. And the Ashen Lord tracker counts all skeleton lords, and goes up every 2. Doing 100 forts, you’d be halfway there for Skelly lords.

And those don’t need to be solo’d! But the Fishing ones require you to catch the fish meaning teammates efforts mean nothing.

@klutchxking518 oh don't get me wrong i do think the fishing milestones seem very high but I still like fishing over infinite feeling skelly waves, when it comes to solo play