Revise yellow/redbeard policies

Small social community and not a lot of competitors in the event.

Things can be witch hunts without specifically naming someone in those conditions.

Supporting your friends is understandable, opposing what you view as hypocrisy is understandable but this is something that is just gonna contribute to more drama and negativity in an online setting with a small social community like this one.

@burnbacon said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

This should be sent to Support as they are the only ones who can deal with this matter.

YellowBeard
"This is a temporary suspension, normally only lasting a number of days based on the offense."

RedBeard
"Your account has been permanently banned from our services - this will be due to a serious breach of our Code of Conduct or Terms of Service."

For those who dont know these Beards meaning.

Already sent in and tossed into the box of wondrous secrets.

@wolfmanbush said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

Small social community and not a lot of competitors in the event.

Things can be witch hunts without specifically naming someone in those conditions.

Supporting your friends is understandable, opposing what you view as hypocrisy is understandable but this is something that is just gonna to contribute to more drama and negativity in an online setting with a small social community like this one.

See it however you will. I would like to see the policy revised to allow ALL yellowbeards to have the opportunity to play in competitions put on by Sea of Thieves TV. In addition, I would also like it for them to be allowed to apply for partner. Show people that everyone makes mistakes sometimes and that it is ok as long as steps are taken to prevent those mistakes from happening again.

Don't give a pass to any one person over another, especially when there is supporting evidence to show actions that are considered less than acceptable.

No one ever changed a thing by staying quiet. I can yell on twitter all day long, but who reads anything there let alone retweets? I'm going to do some tap dancing on the forums, cause a ruckus, and give the corporation a piece of my mind.

Treating colorbeards like a disease is wrong.

@almtychcknpoo said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

@wolfmanbush said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

Small social community and not a lot of competitors in the event.

Things can be witch hunts without specifically naming someone in those conditions.

Supporting your friends is understandable, opposing what you view as hypocrisy is understandable but this is something that is just gonna to contribute to more drama and negativity in an online setting with a small social community like this one.

See it however you will. I would like to see the policy revised to allow ALL yellowbeards to have the opportunity to play in competitions put on by Sea of Thieves TV. In addition, I would also like it for them to be allowed to apply for partner. Show people that everyone makes mistakes sometimes and that it is ok as long as steps are taken to prevent those mistakes from happening again.

Don't give a pass to any one person over another, especially when there is supporting evidence to show actions that are considered less than acceptable.

No one ever changed a thing by staying quiet. I can yell on twitter all day long, but who reads anything there let alone retweets? I'm going to do some tap dancing on the forums, cause a ruckus, and give the corporation a piece of my mind.

Treating colorbeards like a disease is wrong.

You have two things going on at once.

A strong message of forgiveness and encouragement of personal improvement through policy which I agree with

but in my view it is covered with subjective and biased opinion that favors personal relationship and a form of revenge against another rather than objective approach which really isn't any different than the hypocrisy that you believe is occurring.

It's fighting perceived favoritism with personal favoritism which really doesn't improve much.

Objectivity isn't bringing another down to build up someone, that's just swapping around the inconsistency.

@wolfmanbush said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

@almtychcknpoo said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

@wolfmanbush said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

Small social community and not a lot of competitors in the event.

Things can be witch hunts without specifically naming someone in those conditions.

Supporting your friends is understandable, opposing what you view as hypocrisy is understandable but this is something that is just gonna to contribute to more drama and negativity in an online setting with a small social community like this one.

See it however you will. I would like to see the policy revised to allow ALL yellowbeards to have the opportunity to play in competitions put on by Sea of Thieves TV. In addition, I would also like it for them to be allowed to apply for partner. Show people that everyone makes mistakes sometimes and that it is ok as long as steps are taken to prevent those mistakes from happening again.

Don't give a pass to any one person over another, especially when there is supporting evidence to show actions that are considered less than acceptable.

No one ever changed a thing by staying quiet. I can yell on twitter all day long, but who reads anything there let alone retweets? I'm going to do some tap dancing on the forums, cause a ruckus, and give the corporation a piece of my mind.

Treating colorbeards like a disease is wrong.

You have two things going on at once.

A strong message of forgiveness and encouragement of personal improvement through policy which I agree with

but in my view it is covered with subjective and biased opinion that favors personal relationship and a form of revenge against another rather than objective approach which really isn't any different than the hypocrisy that you believe is occurring.

It's fighting perceived favoritism with personal favoritism which really doesn't improve much.

I disagree. I am using the bias in allowing one yellowbeard to play over another as a means to draw attention to the fact that the hypocrisy is alive and well. But we are really now just debating semantics and the intent of why I posted this to begin with, which, you do not know me. This has been something I have been trying to fight against since the $35k boom tv tourney. The only reason this will become drama, is because of people like you trying to turn this into something else. Am I using an example? Yes...yes I am. How else am I to back my claim of bias and hypocrisy if I do not have an example?

@almtychcknpoo said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

I disagree. I am using the bias in allowing one yellowbeard to play over another as a means to draw attention to the fact that the hypocrisy is alive and well. But we are really now just debating semantics and the intent of why I posted this to begin with, which, you do not know me. This has been something I have been trying to fight against since the $35k boom tv tourney. The only reason this will become drama, is because of people like you trying to turn this into something else. Am I using an example? Yes...yes I am. How else am I to back my claim of bias and hypocrisy if I do not have an example?

I posted in your other thread too and my message was consistent. These are witch hunts, people either know who you are talking about or could easily track down the details if they wanted to because it's drama and negativity and it spreads.

It's not drama to give my opinion in a substantive way. Disagreeing with and your approach to what you feel is justice doesn't make it drama,

You have attacked the character of an individual, called them unworthy of being a role model, a terrible example for others.
You know what you are doing when you communicate like that about someone else. It goes against the very principles you are supporting in your own op.

@wolfmanbush said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

@almtychcknpoo said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

I disagree. I am using the bias in allowing one yellowbeard to play over another as a means to draw attention to the fact that the hypocrisy is alive and well. But we are really now just debating semantics and the intent of why I posted this to begin with, which, you do not know me. This has been something I have been trying to fight against since the $35k boom tv tourney. The only reason this will become drama, is because of people like you trying to turn this into something else. Am I using an example? Yes...yes I am. How else am I to back my claim of bias and hypocrisy if I do not have an example?

I posted in your other thread too and my message was consistent. These are witch hunts, people either know who you are talking about or could easily track down the details if they wanted to because it's drama and negativity and it spreads.

It's not drama to give my opinion in a substantive way. Disagreeing with and your approach to what you feel is justice doesn't make it drama,

Disagreeing with my approach doesn't make it drama, but trying to question my intent does. There is a stark difference. I am literally just using my own experience as a means to drive change. If you have another way you can contribute to make the change happen, then do it. No one is stopping you. In fact why haven't you?

@almtychcknpoo said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

Disagreeing with my approach doesn't make it drama, but trying to question my intent does. There is a stark difference. I am literally just using my own experience as a means to drive change. If you have another way you can contribute to make the change happen, then do it. No one is stopping you. In fact why haven't you?

I don't want power over others or to manipulate the powers of others to work for me. I don't have any interest in picking and choosing.

I'm not into enforcement or choosing who is better or worse as a person or role model.

I also believe in forgiveness and I also believe that mistakes do not define an individual. There are more ways to stand for what one believes in than trying to help out friends with events and bringing down the perceived unworthy. In a pursuit of forgiveness using unworthy against others is not something I believe I am unworthy of deciding.

@wolfmanbush said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

@almtychcknpoo said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

Disagreeing with my approach doesn't make it drama, but trying to question my intent does. There is a stark difference. I am literally just using my own experience as a means to drive change. If you have another way you can contribute to make the change happen, then do it. No one is stopping you. In fact why haven't you?

I don't want power over others or to manipulate the powers of others to work for me. I don't have any interest in picking and choosing.

I'm not into enforcement or choosing who is better or worse as a person or role model.

I also believe in forgiveness and I also believe that mistakes do not define an individual. There are more ways to stand for what one believes in than trying to help out friends and bring down the perceived unworthy. In a pursuit of forgiveness unworthy against others is not something I believe I am worthy of deciding.

Again, you want me to get into semantics over the person's actions and I am simply not going to. The actions happened, they are still on Sea of Thieves TV. My friend was yellowbearded and has apologized and tried to atone, submitted support tickets and got nowhere. So why is one person better than another? Especially when that person has not atoned? This is honestly the least this person has done. This person has done so much more that should probably warrant them a redbeard.

Again, we aren't teaching forgiveness here, we are teaching favoritism.

@pithyrumble said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

Partners and Streamers are held to a lesser standard than everyone else. Get used to it or become a partner for the perks.

It depends on the streamer. There are several who are colorbearded and barred from being allowed to participate in the partner program or Sea of Thieves TV. It extends beyond just getting over it or getting used to it. Again, selective favoritism at its finest...probably should stop and everyone should be afforded the same opportunities.

All im going to say my experience with Support team regarding bans have been mostly.positive, some questionable outcomes on some cases where I find offences worse but didn't record the encounter fully...
As a result they got let off easy when it should of been harsher punishments, that always annoy me.

And yes favouritism does exist just like it does IRL... a bit of power/influence/promotion and you get a bit of wiggle room compared to the average Joe.

Cant name names, but a few partners in the past have certainly done shady things and got away with it and innocent players got hurt
because of it. (If you know, you know)

Yellowbeard lets players grow and learn from past mistakes as long as its not a serious offence from the get go. I get your frustration.

@pithyrumble said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

Partners and Streamers are held to a lesser standard than everyone else. Get used to it or become a partner for the perks.

People benefiting socially in a social bubble isn't the same as having power in the product.

A person could afk their twitch drops and not watch any of the partner related content and there is literally nothing left other than random encounter on the seas which is going to be rare.

The only power they have in any real scenario is power of having the focus of people that like them and people that don't like them to a hobby degree.

Anyone can play this game and not have anything to do with partners other than a rare encounter on the seas where it's entirely possible to not even know it's them.

Their perks are largely exaggerated when it comes to anything in game. Social media loves to blow things up from time to time but as someone that is most likely in the top 1% of hours played, it's not difficult to play the game and even participate socially while not having anything to do with whatever they have going on. I post here daily and I don't even know if I have talked to one as I only even know the names of a few.

Easy to co-exist. They do their thing, I do mine, that's not really different for anyone else if they avoid twitch stuff.

On the seas they are just another pirate doing pirate stuff from my experience.

@ix-indi-xi said in Revise yellow/redbeard policies:

All im going to say my experience with Support team regarding bans have been mostly.positive, some questionable outcomes on some cases where I find offences worse but didn't record the encounter fully...
As a result they got let off easy when it should of been harsher punishments, that always annoy me.

And yes favouritism does exist just like it does IRL... a bit of power/influence/promotion and you get a bit of wiggle room compared to the average Joe.

Cant name names, but a few partners in the past have certainly done shady things and got away with it and innocent players got hurt
because of it. (If you know, you know)

Yellowbeard lets players grow and learn from past mistakes as long as its not a serious offence from the get go. I get your frustration.

Neither a redbeard or yellowbeard should be a permanent death sentence as long as people grow and change from it. There's been many redbearded people who should have been yellowbearded.