Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank)

  • Magus104
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    Since we are making such a big deal about having us really feel a connection to our ships and making us feel like a true captain... If we are captaining a ship why not give the captain an option to initiate a "walk the plank" option to kick someone off your boat. I imagine the Devs feel like being kicked out of the game would create a negative play experience... But I think in most cases the reasons for kicks would be justifiable and if someone was a bad actor like constantly kegging their own boat it might send a message "stop being a tool and you wont keep getting kicked"

    I get the sentiment though because getting kicked from groups in other games without explanation can feel really bad. Especially when you have no idea why the kick happened. But you could easily enough have a "walk the plank" reason and have a few options to chose from that could notify the person why they werent wanted.

    Ive only encountered maybe 10 instances I would have used a kick option in 3000 hours of play. And most of those were back when the game came out because "closed crew" didnt exist. I think similar to back then just the lack of understanding on Rares part of how online gaming works. "Why would anyone want to have a private ship? its fun if their friend gets kicked because he had to poo and some random person takes his spot" There were probably more times I got instantly brigged joining an open crew without a word because the crew was open by mistake and they didnt want me there. That feels far worse than being kicked. I used to jump around to open crews in the first year as a maxed PL just to see what others were up to and maybe help them out. But the brig feature just made that a terrible experience. Like the one time I had a headache and didnt want to wear my headset. Got on a galleon that just started an athena "do you have a head set, its required for this hard voyage" rather than explaining yea but im on speakers i just said no... thinking but im athena 10 and have more play experience than any of you so i can handle myself and itll be fine... brigged.. ok well now im definitely not leaving have fun 3 manning the galleon. i threw on netflix on another monitor and just chilled in the brig. Eventually the PL got the crew to abandon the voyage because cant let this leech keep the valuable rare PL voyage after were gone!! lol then they all left and that let me out of the brig then i was like "Ahhh i can leave now". Like seriously how is brigging the way to go? I got no life you unjustifiably throw me in the brig Ill sit here for 8 hours if need be to make a point. I played wow for 18 years im used to having my time wasted.

    Now if they had a kick option they could have kicked me... Or if we removed the brig option they could have just asked me to leave and i would have. but the throwing people in a brig to try and make them quit? thats toxic AF which can then just trigger people.

    I say add a kick option and have it locked behind a few things. Either make it so only captains can make someone walk the plank. Or make it an "if this then that" where if a player is in the brig for 15 minutes then an option to kick becomes available. Though this wont help sloop players but if youre a CAPTAIN you should be able to kick people PERIOD so... Maybe not the brig option just give captains the ability. Since random bad actors are likely server hopping to find people to mess with they wouldnt ever be captains themselves to be able to abuse a kick feature

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  • Nabberwar
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    The only way I would be for a vote-kick is if it isn't hidden behind the whims of a single person. Its either available for everyone to initiate or not at all. If its only through the Captain, I don't want it. I've played with too many controller players to be beset on the whims of a man drunk on admin powers. At the end of the day, we are all equal members on the ship, its either democratic or not at all. I feel bad for sloops, because they have no majority, a thus wouldn't meet criteria.

  • GrumpyW01f
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    @magus104
    If such a kick option were to work, it must only work if there's no loot on the boat, no voyage on the table, and no emissary flag. And even those suggestions can be cheated, granted the kicker is willing to lose money (take all loot off your ship, lower emissary flag, then kick and sell)

    The problem is that there will be players who get a session done and then troll the participants out of the loot. Destroying what little is left of Open Crew. Some very strict precautions would need added to go along with it.

    And even though we'll be captaining our own ship, in reality the captain brings the ship and everyone works together equally. I don't think the captain alone should have the right to do anything to someone else's ability to play.

  • Bieltan
    Seafarer

    Why make them walk the plank when a well placed blunderbomb will give you the same outcome? Thats what I do to my friends if they all start fishing and leave me to do all the steering and sailwork myself 😂

  • PithyRumble
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    Closed crew has always been an option on release.

    I have always soloed.

  • Galactic Geek
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    @pithyrumble said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    Closed crew has always been an option on release.

    I have always soloed.

    You have never invited a group of friends? 🤔

  • PithyRumble
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    @galactic-geek said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    @pithyrumble said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    Closed crew has always been an option on release.

    I have always soloed.

    You have never invited a group of friends? 🤔

    Let me correct this then- I choose closed unless I'm about to give my ship away because I'm finished... 🤪

  • BurnBacon
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    But I think in most cases the reasons for kicks would be justifiable

    No such thing as justifiable kick. When a single player joins a galleon and the galleon crew are friends, decide to kick/brig the other guy just because “insert reason”

  • Lormiun
    Rogue

    @magus104 This would be 100% necessary.
    and could be implemented very simple:
    The captain can INITIATE a "walk the plank"-kickVote but the crew still has to vote on it.
    It would be important to make this a timed vote with the one to be kicked also having a vote.
    On a Sloop this becomes important as it would mean that you can STILL kick ppl in case of them being afk (as they won't vote then).
    That would GREATLY benefit SoT as a whole and be significantly better than the current afk-kicking-System that is prone to malfunction and rather annoying to be quite plain, furthermore it would be a great way to FINALLY have a weapon against trolls that doesn't force you to be one-man-down for the entire voyage.

  • TimedSatyr79799
    Ship Mate

    @lormiun
    i join galleon open crews sometimes and find 1 troller, 1 noob, and the same level of mine.
    if we could vote to kick the troller, how would the noob know how to kick even though he is being trolled severely?
    Why not add ranked servers, where you get the same levelled pirates instead of noobs who would agree to play instead of trolling?

  • Captain Coel
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    @pithyrumble said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    Closed crew has always been an option on release.

    I have always soloed.

    That's actually not true. Closed crews were released later. Patch 1.0.7 Crazy to think this wasn't a standard feature

  • CallMeBackdrafT
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    @pithyrumble small correction here :-p

    Closed crews definitely was not available on release this came a couple months after release

  • Lem0n Curry
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    @captain-coel said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    @pithyrumble said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    Closed crew has always been an option on release.

    I have always soloed.

    That's actually not true. Closed crews were released later. Patch 1.0.7 Crazy to think this wasn't a standard feature

    But weren't solo sloops a feature before that ? Basically a closed crew of 1.

    Edit:
    Aye...

    Closed Crews: This option allows a single player to begin a game on either a Galleon or a Sloop, allowing friends to join in when they’re available. You can now play with any configuration of players up to the limit on each ship, which is 4 players on the Galleon and 2 players on the Sloop, as well as preventing non-friends from being able to join you. This option replaces the 3 player Galleon and Solo Sloop options in the Main Menu.

  • Unleet1
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    If implemented, the kick option would be abused to no end. People already brig others to be toxic, for no other reason, let's not make it worse.

  • Captain Coel
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    @lem0n-curry I honestly can't remember. I don't think it was. I just remember closed crews being important for my group of friends. we could usually get on in the same 30 min or so but not enough right from the beginning to start the boat.

  • Lem0n Curry
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    @captain-coel said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    @lem0n-curry I honestly can't remember. I don't think it was. I just remember closed crews being important for my group of friends. we could usually get on in the same 30 min or so but not enough right from the beginning to start the boat.

    I added a quote from the patch-notes in my previous post with relevant part in bold.

  • Lem0n Curry
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    @lormiun said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    @magus104 This would be 100% necessary.
    and could be implemented very simple:
    The captain can INITIATE a "walk the plank"-kickVote but the crew still has to vote on it.
    It would be important to make this a timed vote with the one to be kicked also having a vote.
    On a Sloop this becomes important as it would mean that you can STILL kick ppl in case of them being afk (as they won't vote then).
    That would GREATLY benefit SoT as a whole and be significantly better than the current afk-kicking-System that is prone to malfunction and rather annoying to be quite plain, furthermore it would be a great way to FINALLY have a weapon against trolls that doesn't force you to be one-man-down for the entire voyage.

    How many times do you think a player will join another brig or galleon after he's been kicked after doing a long voyage so the starter players can invite their friend to earn the rewards of the voyage. Even worse... it becomes a "legal" way to grief.

    Just block and if applicable report players who don't act as crew members / who sabotage their crew.

  • Lormiun
    Rogue

    @lem0n-curry 95% of Discord/XBoxApp-Crews are people that never saw each other.
    IF you actually get that unlucky to join a pre-mate crew of friends who then also are mean enough to kick you for no other reason than them being mean/unfair THEN you are out of luck BUT:
    That is FAAAAR less likely than suffering an incompetent troll which will ruin your session RIGHT NOW.
    No amount of reporting can fix that issue.
    A form of Kick/Walking-The-Plank can.
    My suggestion was merely the fairest I could come up with.

  • Schwammlgott
    Champion

    @pithyrumble sagte in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    Closed crew has always been an option on release.

    I have always soloed.

    No...closed crew wasn't an option on release, that came a bit later...somewhere in the first 1 or 2 months aftet release I guess

  • Lem0n Curry
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    @lormiun said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    @lem0n-curry 95% of Discord/XBoxApp-Crews are people that never saw each other.
    IF you actually get that unlucky to join a pre-mate crew of friends who then also are mean enough to kick you for no other reason than them being mean THEN you are out of luck BUT:
    That is FAAAAR less likely than suffering an incompetent troll which will ruin your session RIGHT NOW.
    No amount of reporting can fix that issue.

    Impressive numbers ... totally made-up (well, I'm only 82% sure about that... ), so not relevant to this discussion at all.
    Even not friends can get another person out:

    • my friend wants to join, he still got a gilded, lets kick out that bossy person.
    • that Curry dude only uses sword, my friend double-guns he can dominate a gally crew on his own, lets kick him out
  • Lem0n Curry
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    @schwammlgott said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    @pithyrumble sagte in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    Closed crew has always been an option on release.

    I have always soloed.

    No...closed crew wasn't an option on release, that came a bit later...somewhere in the first 1 or 2 months aftet release I guess

    Before closed crew was an option, there was solo-sloop.

  • dlCHIEF58
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    @schwammlgott said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    @pithyrumble sagte in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    Closed crew has always been an option on release.

    I have always soloed.

    No...closed crew wasn't an option on release, that came a bit later...somewhere in the first 1 or 2 months aftet release I guess

    Technically correct, but you had the option to solo on a sloop since day 1 as I did...until I took a short break due to the achievement issue in the game at the time.

  • Schwammlgott
    Champion

    @magus104 let's say you could kick another player as a captain, what do you think about following situation:

    You are solo on the sloop. A friend will come online in 2 hours, but you don’t want to play alone in that time...so you open up that slot.
    Someone joins, and it seems that guy is helpful and does his work
    Your friend comes online and you kick that guy who helped you hoarding loot, so you and your friend can sell that stuff...
    This story might not be you, but there will be people acting like this...do you think this would be fair? Would you like it, if someone did this to you?

    As been said earlier in this thread, this should be only an option, if there is no loot on board, no voyage on the table...

    But in general I'm more against such a feature

  • Schwammlgott
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    @lem0n-curry sagte in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    @schwammlgott said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    @pithyrumble sagte in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    Closed crew has always been an option on release.

    I have always soloed.

    No...closed crew wasn't an option on release, that came a bit later...somewhere in the first 1 or 2 months aftet release I guess

    Before closed crew was an option, there was solo-sloop.

    Maybe, I just know, that closed crew wasn't a thing...in the first year I only played with my ex-gf, so we never were solo

  • PithyRumble
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    Petty semantics.

    I've never had randos on my sloop unless I'm giving it away.

    Vote to kick is a horrible idea.

  • Lormiun
    Rogue

    @pithyrumble I usually only sail with randoms.
    I like Galleons and even my best friends aren't always available.

    Captain induced Vote-Kick is a GREAT idea.

  • PithyRumble
    Sailor
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    @lormiun

    Yeah. Until they decide to kick you right before turning in.

  • lafrules
    Commander
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    @pithyrumble said in Captains but not really? (vote kick /walk the plank):

    @lormiun

    Yeah. Until they decide to kick you right before turning in.

    Exactly. A kick out option is useless for people playing with friends and would be a nightmare for open crew. the brig is a better option.

  • ayemstoopid
    Seafarer

    Imagine being the captain of your own ship but not being the captain of your own ship!

    Imagine some rando joining on your sloop, clueless or disruptive with your only option being waiting for them to leave. You have loot on deck cause you started doing a mission, doing devil's roar. Volcano's going and their are fiddeling with your sails and anchor, so you have to babysit them.

    bottom line is; you need the option. everything else is a matter of manners.

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