Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.

  • Hi. Not exactly sure where to post this, and honestly I am not too concerned, I need to get this off my chest.

    It has been roughly two years since I last played this game, and I have been trying to get it out of my mind. I removed it from my Steam library, avoid any and all forums related to this game, but yet it stays in the back of my mind, ever present. I have a lot of demons that I want to face with this game and this seemed like the best way.

    Let me just get this out of the way: I hate this game, and I hate everything about it. But it did not start that way.

    At first, when I saw this game, the advertisements made it sound like a "Fun Co-Op Adventure Game". The forums were less flattering with posters that came off as a stereotype of your typical PvP player, but it was reassured that "It's not so bad".

    Well, I got the game and had a good time... Then met the first crew and died. Then the second crew killed me, and then the next even telling me to "Quit the game".

    I will admit, it has left me angry, frustrated and I may have unfairly lashed out against people to measuring degrees, but one thing remained: A hatred, and a subconscious obsession.
    What do I mean by that? Well I'd get regular dreams about the game, and I still do from time to time, but not to the frequency I did back when I had the game.

    "Play with friends" I was told, but I didn't have anyone that wanted to play this game. Quoting the game's title as if it were some kind of legitimate argument (If so, many games and movies are false advertising based on the title alone), it has really left me bitter and, in the end, played the game not with pleasure, but with anger and hatred. It would be that I would play the game once in a while, be angry and hate anyone that sails next to me then quit the game for a few months, before the process repeated.

    There was however one glimmer that made me reconsider completely abandoning the game initially, a pair of players that really ignited hope in the game and the "Community" that it fosters. Then I'd get hit over the head with the realization that the Open World PvP crowd isn't known to have the 50/50 friendly-to-hostile ratio, more like a 10/90 split.

    Eventually, I did just put the game out behind a shed and put one in the back by removing the game from my library. I hoped it would put my mind at ease and, it has to a degree, but now I have a problem that I can't enjoy anything pirate related without thinking of this game.

    No lying, I tried watching Pirates of the Caribbean and I simply couldn'r enjoy it even if I tried. This game was sitting in the back of my mind the entire time.

    So, frankly, all I can say is... I hate this game and everything about it. It was a game that promised me something fun and exciting, but all I was left with was hatred and misery.

    I don't know what will happen with this thread and I honestly am not too concerned. I just hope that getting this off my chest will help me move on from this game and to enjoy pirate things again.

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  • @kalgert That's a tough place to be when you have a love/hate relationship with SOT. Sometimes even playing it constantly will lead to the feeling of getting "burnt-out".

    The way I see it you had a string of bad luck, yet you could have given a chance to LFGs. There are so many crews outthere that need someone to feel complete, that way you can learn from others and with time gain confidence enough to run your own crew.

  • I can only offer a valuable lesson I've learned in life.

    Incompatibility never needs to be a negative thing, it can just be a thing that leads to other things. There doesn't need to be fault or resentment. Time makes it easier but time needs effort from the person that is struggling.

    Positive steps forward not only allow a person to heal it allows a person to treat the environment and people around them with more decency. In that, a garden can grow from the emptiness.

  • @metal-ravage said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    @kalgert That's a tough place to be when you have a love/hate relationship with SOT. Sometimes even playing it constantly will lead to the feeling of getting "burnt-out".

    The way I see it you had a string of bad luck, yet you could have given a chance to LFGs. There are so many crews outthere that need someone to feel complete, that way you can learn from others and with time gain confidence enough to run your own crew.

    I wouldn't call it love/hate, more like a subconscious obsession that I can't get over. And believe me, I tried. Either in Open Crew or voa the official Discord. It simply didn't click one way or another.
    Though it didn't help that it was still me in a state of absolute frenzy and having a hateful attitude towards everyone because of my experiences.

  • @kalgert said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    Though it didn't help that it was still me in a state of absolute frenzy and having a hateful attitude towards everyone because of my experiences.

    Feeling strongly is energy and energy can be redirected.

    Check up on a friend you haven't checked on in a while, reach out to family that you haven't talked to in a while. Go out with a friend to do something positive. Say something kind to someone, open a door for someone, it doesn't need to be big or specific. Shifting energy from the negative into positive action begins a process that will eventually allow you to find positive experiences. These experiences will feel warm and motivating, focus on them and try more.

    Put positive energy around you and it will attract positive people and experiences. It's not always easy, sometimes it's a struggle, but it's an investment in yourself.

  • @wolfmanbush I have no idea what is the message you're trying to tell me with this, and I feel like you're trying to annoy me with this.

    This has nothing to do with my strife that I feel over this game's existence in my subconscious mind. If any of your advice were to help me get it out of my mind, I'd have gotten over it a lot sooner and wouldn't need to put this thread up.

  • @kalgert said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    This has nothing to do with my strife that I feel over this game's existence in my subconscious mind. If any of your advice were to help me get it out of my mind, I'd have gotten over it a lot sooner and wouldn't need to put this thread up.

    I'm not here to enable your negativity.

    I'm posting because I believe that you can get yourself through it but it won't be by feeling sorry for yourself or by lashing out at others or having a consistent negative view of things.

    If you are struggling I understand it is difficult but it doesn't excuse feeding into the negativity about self or others with more of it.

    Whatever happens you are worth the effort so put in the effort.

  • @wolfmanbush You do not know how I am through my average day, so I would say to not make assumptive statements about me.

    Yeah, my initial post might make me seem like someone who's in constant turmoil but really, it's only when it comes to anything about pirates or if I actively think about the game.

    I do not believe you actually understand where I am coming from and are instead giving a "Fix-All" speech towards me. Please stop it, as it doesn't help me and it only annoys me.

  • @kalgert said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    @wolfmanbush You do not know how I am through my average day, so I would say to not make assumptive statements about me.

    Yeah, my initial post might make me seem like someone who's in constant turmoil but really, it's only when it comes to anything about pirates or if I actively think about the game.

    I do not believe you actually understand where I am coming from and are instead giving a "Fix-All" speech towards me. Please stop it, as it doesn't help me and it only annoys me.

    That is correct. Nothing here is blaming you it's believing in you whether this thread is sincere or not my posts are sincere and come from experience.

    Good luck

  • @kalgert It's quite fine as not all games offer the same experience to different gamers and me telling you about the experience I had will make no difference.

    All I know is that things go through cycles and books or movies that didn't appeal to me at first had a different meaning later, the same goes with games.

  • I have a specific philosophy that let's me enjoy all the good and bad that SoT has to offer.

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  • @wolfmanbush said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    @kalgert said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    @wolfmanbush You do not know how I am through my average day, so I would say to not make assumptive statements about me.

    Yeah, my initial post might make me seem like someone who's in constant turmoil but really, it's only when it comes to anything about pirates or if I actively think about the game.

    I do not believe you actually understand where I am coming from and are instead giving a "Fix-All" speech towards me. Please stop it, as it doesn't help me and it only annoys me.

    That is correct. Nothing here is blaming you it's believing in you whether this thread is sincere or not my posts are sincere and come from experience.

    Good luck
    It is sincere in what I've written, yes.
    And I also have issues trusting whether or not you are being sincere.

    I am honestly also extremely frustrated seeing people walk around on these forums talking about all the awesome fun they are having and (Apparently) meeting crews where they sing kumbaya together, while my experience was the exact opposite.

    I WISH I could enjoy this game. But I can't see it happen anytime soon. Not only because I got rid of the game, but because of the players I meet. At the very least I want some closure and put this game permanently out of my mind, just so I can enjoy pirate things again.

  • @vacation-hombre said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    I have a specific philosophy that let's me enjoy all the good and bad that SoT has to offer.

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    What philosophy would that be?
    Also, for some reason, your name is flagged as a no-no word.

  • I dont understand where your hatred is coming from? Its normal to lose sometimes in a game with PvP especially if you're completely new, so what is even the issue?

  • @alienmagi Too many to count, but I will list a few now:

    The dishonest marketing.
    The community.
    Rare acting like the game is one where you shoot at each other and then sing kumbaya, when PvP games are nothing like that.
    The only time I encountered any pleasant people was once. Yes, that's right, ONCE. So much for the 50/50 split being touted as the reality.

    The problem I have with the game is that it is presented as one thing, but is really something else entirely. And please, don't talk to me about "Losing in PvP is normal", I've been playing PvP games for a majority of my childhood and now casually in my adult years, I've gone through that rollercoaster.

    (Also is this a PvP game or this "PvEvP" game? Everyone keeps mixing it up)

  • @kalgert said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    @alienmagi Too many to count, but I will list a few now:

    The dishonest marketing.
    The community.
    Rare acting like the game is one where you shoot at each other and then sing kumbaya, when PvP games are nothing like that.
    The only time I encountered any pleasant people was once. Yes, that's right, ONCE. So much for the 50/50 split being touted as the reality.

    The problem I have with the game is that it is presented as one thing, but is really something else entirely. And please, don't talk to me about "Losing in PvP is normal", I've been playing PvP games for a majority of my childhood and now casually in my adult years, I've gone through that rollercoaster.

    (Also is this a PvP game or this "PvEvP" game? Everyone keeps mixing it up)

    What's the matter with the marketing and community? The game has always been marketed as a PvPvE game.
    Nobody is mixing anything up. It's a PvPvE game, that as I said, has PvP in it and its normal to lose sometimes especially if you're new.

    Nobody ever said you will be guaranteed a 50/50 chance to meet nice or mean pirates. This is completely random and most people will attack on sight because they are too afraid of letting their guard down and losing their treasure. That doesnt mean they are unpleasant, they are just playing the game how it was meant to be.

    From my perspective you seem to have an irrational hatred over the game's normal intended mechanics. If you don't like open world PvPvE games you should just forget about the game, but if you do like them then I suggest you keep playing and you'll get good over time with some practice. We were all noobs who couldnt defend ourselves when we first started playing.

    "Play with friends" I was told, but I didn't have anyone that wanted to play this game.

    If you want to practice on a bigger ship you can make new friends in discord-lfc or within the game. I think most of us met our regular crews online rather than convincing IRL friends to play with us.

  • @alienmagi Question: Did you miss the part where I got rid of the game? Avoided the game for a long time, and have only recently come here because I wanted to face my demons in regards to the game?

    Really feeling like you didn't read any of my post

    Edit: I actually bought this game under the impression that it was one of those games that lets you choose between server types, since the marketing is constantly going off on the PvE aspects rather than emphasize "By the way, this game is PvP, don't play this if you don't want a forced PvP experience".

  • @kalgert said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    @alienmagi Question: Did you miss the part where I got rid of the game? Avoided the game for a long time, and have only recently come here because I wanted to face my demons in regards to the game?

    Really feeling like you didn't read any of my post

    I did not miss that part at all. What gave you that idea? Were you implying that you'll never give this game another chance? Even if you were to explicitly say that, why would my post be any less valid?

    Feels a bit hypocritical, you accused me of not reading your post when you completely ignored mine and all the points I made within it.

  • @alienmagi It's not hypocritical at all, because if you were to have read my post, you would have realized that I can't play the game, at least not without buying it again (Took the game out of my Steam library, et cetera).
    And no, spending another 40 Euros on this game is out of the question. I may have been stupid enough to buy it the first time, but I'm not stupid enough to do it again.

    And I edited my response to include some added parts.

  • @kalgert said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    @alienmagi It's not hypocritical at all, because if you were to have read my post, you would have realized that I can't play the game, at least not without buying it again (Took the game out of my Steam library, et cetera).
    And no, spending another 40 Euros on this game is out of the question. I may have been stupid enough to buy it the first time, but I'm not stupid enough to do it again.

    And I edited my response to include some added parts.

    Okay, I was unaware that you can just delete your game from your library without getting a refund, why would you even do that if you already paid for it?

    Personally, when I'm checking out a game I look it up online to see if I like the gameplay loop before buying it. I dont think any marketing post ever said you can play a PvE only mode, that seems to have been an assumption on your part.

    Anyway, I'm just trying to say that what you encountered is completely normal and intended. If you dont like it, it's just not a game for you. If you want a fresh pirate gaming experience to maybe make you enjoy pirate content again, I suggest trying out Assassins Creed 4 Black Flag.

  • @alienmagi Because it was a measure I felt necessary to take in order to get this game out of my mind. Simply uninstalling it was not a possibility, and no refunds after 50 hours in the game, 30 of which were absolute misery.

    All the gameplay I have seen was of PvE fun encounters, there were some PvP videos but, still, nothing said that the game was forced PvP. Even V-Rising, a game I thought was forced PvP didn't say anything about it having different server types or not. Fortunately it didn't.

    In regard to AC Black Flag. No, no and NO. I have played that game to death by now, and I do have no desire to play through a terrible Ubisoft Story in order to have all the open world features unlocked.
    On a related note, don't you think it's sad that there are only TWO pirate themed games that are worth even talkimg about, everything else being pretty much lackluster?

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  • @mintharp184509 said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    The truth is you love Sea of Thieves and you want to enjoy it but have built up walls preventing you from playing.

    If you don’t play you can’t get better.

    The game isn’t always going to be a negative experience. But it’s also not always going to be a positive experience either.

    All you need to succeed in this game (as far as PvE is concerned) is patience and determination. Your ability to defend your ship will improve over time as you learn from encounters with other players.

    The single most powerful tool to shape your experience in Sea of Thieves is the ease at which you can hop servers. It’s very normal to want a less active server in terms of other crews representing emissaries especially reapers in the beginning of your journey to pirate legend and beyond.

    Just remember if you raise an emissary flag there’s a chance that at any time a grade v reaper can portal or merge on to your server and instantly know your ship’s location on the map.

    Don’t let sinking or failure stop you from setting sail again another day. Eventually you will succeed at all your pirate endeavors but it’s going to take practice which requires playing the game.

    I don't own the game anymore (Removed it from my Steam Library) so none of this applies to me. Can't play the game.
    But yes, I WANTED to love the game, but after a bunch of horrible encounters, one of which had someone tell me "Leave noob quit the game", I pretty much was guaranteed that I will NEVER have a good time with the game, and after trying to force myself to enjoy it after 50 hours, I just couldn't anymore.

  • Hey look! Another "we need PVE only servers" thread. Another "here's half the story from my encounters with toxic PVPers" thread. It's somewhat disguised with personal tails of woe and grief, but still the same thread we've seen over and over and over again.

    Honestly, if you are "haunted" by a video game, then the video game isn't the issue.

  • @sammyr0cks Except I've not said anything about wanting PvE servers nor mentioned any real desire to want to play the game again. Yeah, there is the desire to have enjoyed the game, but that's no longer the case.
    Bad encounters are pretty relevant, wouldn't you say?

    I wouldn't even call it "Woe and grief", certainly extreme disappointment and having hang-ups with the game even after discarding and not playing it anymore, which I think I have a right to have when it's so bad that I can't enjoy a classic Johnny Depp movie franchise (The first three anyway).

    What would you say the issue is, then, if not the game?

  • @kalgert I was going to delete my post, but now that you’ve responded, that wouldn’t be right.

    I’m not sure what you are looking for. You posted on the official SoT forum, but you say you don’t want anything to do with the game anymore. You asked for advice and help, but lashed out at everyone’s attempt to help. So, all I can say is I hope you get the help you seek, and need. Good luck!

  • @sammyr0cks I'm here because I have unresolved demons, and after yet again having a dream about the game that forced me awake, I came to the forums to face them... Except now that I think about it I'm not sure how to face them by coming to the forums.

    I don't think I "Lashed out at anyone". I do get snippy (Can't help when I don't trust that people have good intentions in this game), but compared to my previous time of posting I'd say I am being pretty calm.

    And still, I doubt anyone would take it seriously if I came to them and said "I have hang-ups over a pirate videogame". What would you think would be a potential solution, I wonder?

  • @kalgert said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    I'm here because I have unresolved demons, and after yet again having a dream about the game that forced me awake, I came to the forums to face them... Except now that I think about it I'm not sure how to face them by coming to the forums.

    I don't think I "Lashed out at anyone". I do get snippy (Can't help when I don't trust that people have good intentions in this game), but compared to my previous time of posting I'd say I am being pretty calm.

    And still, I doubt anyone would take it seriously if I came to them and said "I have hang-ups over a pirate videogame". What would you think would be a potential solution, I wonder?

    You use words like hate and misery and hateful attitude towards everyone.

    These are serious and should be approached seriously.

    You don't have to trust people to examine advice. If someone is taking the time to offer positive suggestions without trying to sell you something or trying to get you to subscribe to something or join something then it is just advice without strings attached.

    We all face ourselves as the person we want to be at some point.

    You have a goal, you refer to it as a demon but it's not a demon it's an obstacle and one that you are entirely capable of clearing, a goal you are entirely capable of reaching.

    And still, I doubt anyone would take it seriously if I came to them and said "I have hang-ups over a pirate videogame". What would you think would be a potential solution, I wonder?

    A struggle is a struggle and anyone that attempts to sincerely help realizes that whether you approach it publicly, privately, or professionally. If this is your struggle then there is nothing to judge. If you do not find positive public or personal advice helpful in your goals then the next step is professional.

    I know what it's like to face obstacles, I know what it's like to see others face obstacles around me. It's something we can all get through if we support each other with positive encouragement and accountability.

  • @kalgert said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    What philosophy would that be?

    Exactly what it says on the tin, my dude.

    Someone attacked me and sank my ship?

    I lose none of my progress and any lost treasure is easily replaced. So, it doesn't really matter.

    I worked for a long time collecting or doing something only to lose it all at the very end?

    I like to simply play the game, so even if I lose loot or voyage progress, my time is never wasted. So, it doesn't really matter.

    Someone being a jerk to me?

    My best friend, the Scuttle Button, always has my back. An always available "Get Out of Jail Free" card. So, it doesn't really matter.

    Of course, this philosophy isn't for everyone. If you're heavily goal-oriented and can't shake that, then it doesn't do you much good. But it allowed me, a diehard single-player, non-competitive, casual gamer to enjoy a game that very much encourages conflict. So I always like to mention it just in case it helps someone as much as it helped me.

  • @hombre said in Testimonies From a Haunted Soul.:

    Exactly what it says on the tin, my dude.

    Someone attacked me and sank my ship?

    I lose none of my progress and any lost treasure is easily replaced. So, it doesn't really matter.

    I worked for a long time collecting or doing something only to lose it all at the very end?

    I like to simply play the game, so even if I lose loot or voyage progress, my time is never wasted. So, it doesn't really matter.

    Someone being a jerk to me?

    My best friend, the Scuttle Button, always has my back. An always available "Get Out of Jail Free" card. So, it doesn't really matter.

    Of course, this philosophy isn't for everyone. If you're heavily goal-oriented and can't shake that, then it doesn't do you much good. But it allowed me, a diehard single-player, non-competitive, casual gamer to enjoy a game that very much encourages conflict. So I always like to mention it just in case it helps someone as much as it helped me.

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  • @vacationhombre Yeah... The philosophy certainly wouldn't work for someone who's prone to be argumentative and doesn't like to feel like his time has been wasted.

    I wonder if I still had the game and tried this, would it had worked? If I repeated this to myself while hitting my head in the desk, would it sink in? Pun or not.

    Would Insider Access technically allow me to still play the game, or would it even count as the real deal?

  • @kalgert said:

    And still, I doubt anyone would take it seriously if I came to them and said "I have hang-ups over a pirate videogame". What would you think would be a potential solution, I wonder?

    The last place I'd go to for mental health advice is SoT official forums.

    If you're just coming here to vent, and express how much you hate the game, the devs and the community, well... mission accomplished.

    But if something is genuinely keeping you up at night or interfering with your day, whether thats work stuff, relationship stuff, or even video game stuff, then you may want to seek professional help. Perhaps there are some professionals here, but a public forum post probably isn't the best medium to address any issues or potential solutions.

    Nevermind that, but from what I've read today, you don't seem very receptive or trustworthy of what your peers have to say anyway. So I don't think you'll find your solution in the forum.

    Instead, I'd start here: https://www.betterhelp.com/

    Good luck.

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