A shiny new ranking system for the most experienced Pirates!

@chlodovicus said in A shiny new ranking system for the most experienced Pirates!:

@sweetsandman By the way;
We have a Pirate who's played 99% solo-sloop like you and he has the following stats:

7031 chest = Radiant
2203 ships = Common Renown
101 days

Coincidently he has the same time played as you. And he barely played Arena.

He has however stacked a lot of vaults in the DR.

By viewing his stats we can easily tell how he plays, and that he must be one of the most skilled solo-sloopers out there. Furthermore, we can tell that he's very profitable and must be highly successful. Therefore he's absolutely highly skilled at SoT.

That's my point, though. Without the justification ("who's played 99% solo...") behind the stats, that player pales in comparison to your stats. Almost as if we really want individualized stats....but they don't exist. So, creating a ranking system that extrapolates that fact only...well...extrapolates it.

@chlodovicus
The Steam version doesn't track distance sailed? As in, it doesn't show up on Your Profile?

@pithyrumble
Quick question, is this from Xbox? Mine says "Minutes Played", and I can calculate "days" from there, but I didn't know if somewhere it actually stated "Days" and if that might be utilizing some other metric for time?

@sweetsandman That's a good point. The equation does extrapolate the results. Not by much though. And we did consider multiplying the equation with log to get rid of the extrapolation, but we also wanted to keep things simple. Besides, the extrapolation is dampened by the division of time played.

Since the grind in SoT basically is logarithmic we thought that an exponential ranking might be just as easy to grasp. The index system does suggest a quicker gain towards the top. Maybe we could make our system logarithmic instead. Would that make a difference? My stats would still dwarf everyone else's.

That player's stats are actually ahead of mine, regarding chests. He has 70 chests / day while I have 62 chest / day. But I have played for 169 days while he's "only" played 101 days. When he reaches my playtime, he'll be higher ranked than me, if he keeps it up.

No matter what, my stats seem to dwarf everyone else's. Extrapolated or not. I'm sorry I guess. But I really do love this game and dare I say; I'm fairly good at it.

@d3adst1ck Aye! But we have no afk'ers or slackers in our discord. Typically, afk'ers don't last that long in the game anyway. But it can be abused I guess. I'm more concerned about alliance-fleet-players. Those poor souls never learn to play the game. So sad...

@chlodovicus I have a few things I find interesting. Before I go into them.

Here is me
Chests 7788
Ships 2701
Played 173d 6h

The discrepancies I take issue with is thr scale really rewards 3 ingame activities. Doing pvp (sinks), doing vaults (chests), doing fleets (sinks and chests). All other forms of gameplay are diminished. Also are we even sure the website stats are accurate? I am an xbox/windows player. I know in the past there have been months when trackers didn't update. Also my numbers for chests on the xbox app are wildly different. It's 11,580.

So either my rating is 3505 or 7750.

Also any time not being productive in those 2 categories doesn't matter. Arena lobby time, going out meg hunting, partaking in tall tales or adventures.

I understand you guys are dedicated but dedication and efficiency are measured by more than this.

Take me for example in other stats. I have all bilge rats comms ever introduced finished sans the shrouded ghost. I have never missed an event. Tonight marks the beginning of the 171st week of the insider program, how many people in your discord are on week 171? There is so much more to being an experienced pirate than chests cashed in. I applaud your intent I just think this system is a bit flawed.

@wolfmanbush Excactly! To have those stats you'd have to keep a cool head and be cautious and stubborn.

@chlodovicus 760 chests handed in, 283 ships sunk, 653 hours played

@pithyrumble Yes! lol.

But to have those stats you must be skilled. It's a very specific skillset which reveals caution and the ability to keep a cool head. Otherwise you wouldn't have lasted long.

My hours, stats etc. are divided up and in some cases frozen (in xbox stats) from playing on different platforms. Not sure how one would figure out the actual totals because none are correct. I can't be alone there.

@captain-coel Oh this system is absolutely flawed. With flawed data there's no other way.

But weirdly enough it's also pretty accurate.

As I wrote before, these are sub-ranks in our discord and we have more equal sub-ranks for other aspects of the game. Fx. a title for each faction with all commendations, which I'm still far from completing. That's where I'm outranked. Together as a whole, a decent representation emerges of our individual stats.

Also as I mentioned before, we only use the stats from seaofthieves.com, which assumedly are equally accurate or not for everyone. The stats from the xbox-app are not the same as on the website and we also must account for the Steam version.

@galactic-geek Nah, I'm just calling out useless comments which are meant to be spiteful.

I do have a strong sense of morale though! Try going a few rounds with me and sea how you fare.

@maximusarael020

Time, Distance and turn ins were from Xbox. Under the Achievements tab, stats. I had to come to my stats on SoT for ships sunk. Got a few extra sinks from sailing through the fleet and they started playing bumper cars when I left the aggro area.

@wolfmanbush

I did for a long time. My meg encounters is 400 something, and Im pretty sure that's not kills. Kraken is in double digits. And skelly ships used to have to follow the rules of physics so it was easy to just get away.

@guyrza No. Have fun with that.

@unleet1 It's the same for everyone. That's why we only use the same stats from seaofthieves.com

@unleet1 The time played shows correctly across both platforms.

@pithyrumble
Ha! Interesting. I've played on and off since day 1 and only have 19.5 days. Feels like a lot longer!

@wolfmanbush With our index your ranks would be as follows:

Mythical Renown and Luminous.

You dwarf my stats in Shininess but my Renown is slightly higher than yours.

Finally someone who outshines me...

We also have fancy shining and equally important titles for each faction with all commendations completed.

I hope you read some of my other comments and reconsider your stance against me. It is kinda fun to have an albeit flawed sub-ranking system for highly experienced players, isn't it? If hypothetically you were to join us, you'd find us all equal and with sub-ranks directly related to our stats. You would clearly be one of the very most experienced players amongst us.

@wolfmanbush That's fair. But I do believe you might have jumped to conclusions with me. I basically stand for the same ideals as you. But you can't avoid hierarchies, since it's human nature and nature in general. People create hierarchies everywhere! It's how we manage these hierarchies that really matter. Only the worthy should lead and preferably not at all. But I do sea your point, that this system absolutely can be abused. But with sensible pirates, you might find it worthwhile if they instantly know and value your xp and deeply appreciate you not acting superior.

But to be honest, your first post in this thread was perceived as a bit bullying and superior. There was no doubt that you were highly experienced and that you felt you had to shut it down!!! I admire your ideals as they are so close to mine. But you have to walk the talk mate.

The other problem with this system is that it mostly meaningless. Because of the logarithmic curve, it vastly benefits those who have spent the most time in the game.

For example, and correct me if my math is wrong, but to get to the highest tier of your "rankings", for me having played about 20 days total according to Microsoft, I would need to have sunk around 2098 ships. This means I would need to be sinking 4.4 ships (approx) for every hour I played. However, if I played for 200 days, I would need to have sunk approx 6634 ships, which would be around 1.4 ships per hour. The longer you play the game, the less "efficiency" you actually need to get into the higher tiers of your rankings.

So in reality, according to your system, you really should just look at time played, because I could be the most skilled PVPer you've ever seen and without the Arena finding and sinking 4.4 ships EVERY HOUR I play is going to be basically impossible.

So it's not skills based, it's literally pretty much down to how long someone has put into the game. Which is a much easier statistic to get: It's right there in their Xbox profile, time played.

@wolfmanbush You are so very condescending and you're acting so superior in this thread. You insist on projecting your misplaced animosity onto me as you "Question the relevance of my self perceived and declared excellence" This is by definition toxic, if you ask a psychiatrist.

You have no idea who I am mate!

It always surprises me how hypocritical some people can be. You wave your flag of infinite virtue but can't even conduct a civil conversation without you forcing your wrongful ideas of woe into the mix. Don't be a bully.

@maximusarael020 "Time played" says nothing of your gameplay style. This system does. It's not logarithmic btw. It's exponential, so yes the first part is harder to achieve. That's compensated for in the index system itself with the spacing between the ranks.

@wolfmanbush Oh, I was just generalising. I certainly didn't mean you. I don't think you have any leadership skills at all. Best you stay away from it.

@chlodovicus How does it indicate your "play style" if there's a difference of 4.4 ships per hour sunk vs 1.3? At a certain point, with enough days in game you just have to sink a skelly sloop every few hours to make it to your top tier. What is the gameplay style there?

@wolfmanbush Funny, I made that part bold by mistake. I'm getting tired here. But you instantly thought it was all about you didn't you? The rest of the text was also a generalisation though. I think it's you who have a superiority-complex that you actively project onto others. You might want to look into that. Reread your comments again with clear eyes tomorrow maybe. You're quite condescending and rude.

@galactic-geek said in A shiny new ranking system for the most experienced Pirates!:

This is not the kind of game that needs a ranking system - the closest thing we have to that is the Emmisary Ledger, and even that is temporary, with no visible track record of previous months. All it will serve is to make some pirates think that they're better than others when their arrogant attitude will clearly prove otherwise.

It's not always about personal skill or experience (and certainly not flaunting it) - it's also about how you help contribute to the fun of the game, not just for yourself, but for others as well.

Completely agree. I prove I'm better than other players by sinking them in game. I dont need a convoluted system to prove this.

@treefittymonsta Good for you. But that's not the point.

@treefittymonsta The point is to have a fair system, in a World of systems. It's not for the individual per se, but more for our individual discord community as a whole.