https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/topic/33513/smoking-pipes/4
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4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars
@z3phlar Eh things change, it's likely because of ratings. Knowing how that stuff works I wouldn't be surprised if smoking would push the games rating up, which they probably don't want
in a Mature game it doesn't matter to me. Adults can figure it out. This isn't a game that caters to adults it caters to all types and heavily to minors and families.
The entire point of smoking in this game would be people thinking it looks cool and I think adding things that are clearly dangerous to personal health entirely for the "cool factor" is a waste of resources when so many of the participants are children/minors.
Yeah yeah drinking grog. I didn't add it so I'm not gonna defend it.
Yeah yeah shooting/killing pirates. It's competitive combat no different than paintball. It's not graphic and it's just competitive play.This game is an immersive and personal experience which makes something like smoking more significant than just seeing a character somewhere smoking.
@peony7185 I'm not really sure if having a pipe would raise the game rating.
There are plenty of games that are +3 or +7 where characters have pipes or similar... but not sure if it would.@jumli7 I believe it's more of a case of what else is in the game. So while other games might have smoking they might not also have drinking alcohol and getting drunk.
Game ratings are really strange and kinda stupid with how they work so it really wouldn't surprise me if it had something to do with it
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@wolfmanbush could please tell me how this game caters to minors and families? makes zero sense to me…
@madfrito99 It's a goofy cartoony pirate game in a world where people can't die and the main enemies are skeletons and there's no blood and is centered around co-op, if that doesn't sound like a game that's targeted for a wide range of ages and families then I don't know what does
@madfrito99 said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@wolfmanbush could please tell me how this game caters to minors and families? makes zero sense to me…
The silly looking pirates, the colors, the hot mics, the cosmetics so often being bulky, loud and power rangerish. It's aimed at a younger crowd like a toy in a happy meal. It's drawing in younger people to come hang out and be goofy in the goofy game where people can be goofy on mics.
@wolfmanbush said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@madfrito99 said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@wolfmanbush could please tell me how this game caters to minors and families? makes zero sense to me…
The silly looking pirates, the colors, the hot mics, the cosmetics so often being bulky, loud and power rangerish. It's aimed at a younger crowd like a toy in a happy meal. It's drawing in younger people to come hang out and be goofy in the goofy game where people can be goofy on mics.
Having a cartoony art style does not automatically mean its for kids.
Thats like saying south park and family guy are for kids because theyre colorful and goofy. Yes Sea of Thieves is be catering to all ages so they can attract a wider audience, but it being goofy and colorful has got nothing to do with who its target audience.
@alienmagi said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@wolfmanbush said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@madfrito99 said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@wolfmanbush could please tell me how this game caters to minors and families? makes zero sense to me…
The silly looking pirates, the colors, the hot mics, the cosmetics so often being bulky, loud and power rangerish. It's aimed at a younger crowd like a toy in a happy meal. It's drawing in younger people to come hang out and be goofy in the goofy game where people can be goofy on mics.
Having a cartoony art style does not automatically mean its for kids.
Thats like saying south park and family guy are for kids because theyre colorful and goofy. Yes Sea of Thieves is be catering to all ages so they can attract a wider audience, but it being goofy and colorful has got nothing to do with who its target audience.
Other than someone having some mild fun with the captain name generator the context of the content in this game is consistent in its approach to offering a family friendly/young person friendly environment. Welcoming to everyone doesn't mean they don't market for specific demographics, Younger people being a pretty obvious one.
@wolfmanbush said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@alienmagi said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@wolfmanbush said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@madfrito99 said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@wolfmanbush could please tell me how this game caters to minors and families? makes zero sense to me…
The silly looking pirates, the colors, the hot mics, the cosmetics so often being bulky, loud and power rangerish. It's aimed at a younger crowd like a toy in a happy meal. It's drawing in younger people to come hang out and be goofy in the goofy game where people can be goofy on mics.
Having a cartoony art style does not automatically mean its for kids.
Thats like saying south park and family guy are for kids because theyre colorful and goofy. Yes Sea of Thieves is be catering to all ages so they can attract a wider audience, but it being goofy and colorful has got nothing to do with who its target audience.
Other than someone having some mild fun with the captain name generator the context of the content in this game is consistent in its approach to offering a family friendly/young person friendly environment. Welcoming to everyone doesn't mean they don't market for specific demographics, Younger people being a pretty obvious one.
I think you missed my point, I said that a game having a goofy and colorful art style has nothing to do with a game's target audience like you implied.
Of course Sea of Thieves includes kids among their target audiences but like you said, the game is welcoming to everyone.
@alienmagi I don't think he's saying it's just for kids, like he said it's targeting a family friendly audience meaning anybody including younger people
@alienmagi said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
I think you missed my point, I said that a game having a goofy and colorful art style has nothing to do with a game's target audience like you implied.
Of course Sea of Thieves includes kids among their target audiences. Like you said, the game is welcoming to everyone. Not just kids.
It seems that you are focused on the fact that some people enjoy things that kids also enjoy which was never something I was pushing against.
I brought up a toy in a happy meal specifically because that is the marketing style that happens in this game. Everyone likes food and a lot of people enjoy fast food and some adults like toys and certain colors but it's still a very specific marketing style to a younger crowd intentionally.
It appeals to younger people which then brings in their parents/guardians/family as well. That's the strategy of the marketing. Bring in the young people and get the people around them.
This is all relevant because we are talking about bringing in an adult activity into a game with that marketing style. An adult activity with a high chance of personal consequences that is not actually bringing anything of substance into the game other than people thinking it's a cool thing to see/do.
Addictions to smoking were amplified significantly by marketing to young people and making it look cool. Adding it to this game is like making candy cigarettes. Why do that?
I don't think this game intends to participate in that sort of thing and imo it would be a mistake to bring it into this specific experience.
@z3phlar It's not about being soft. It's about upholding our values and The Pirate Code which include respecting those we share a space with, players and devs alike. Namecalling will not be tolerated.
Also keep in mind that things change all the time in game development, especially as live game as serivce such as ours. Roadmaps and tools change, concepts get picked up and put aside and that will always be the case.
@wolfmanbush wasnt sure what your response was going to be but your right. however, a kid (under 10) could not play this game…hence why most players are teenagers and adults…weird hunh? kid looking game where the majority of players arent kids lol
Well.........I would have no issue with it personally.
The game is rated 12. Twelve. TWELVE!!!
So why on earth do I keep ending up in crews with people who definitely do not sound like they are above the age of 12? Anyway that's irrelevant.
The issue with cigars is that they are VERY harmful (IRL) and younger people may be more likely to catch on, especially if it's portrayed as something good. Which is the main argument against.
Now I will say right now I disagree with the whole age rating system and I think it's a load of rubbish, and I think the appropriateness of a game changes person to person. But unfortunately because how society works, some things just 'cant' be shown to younger people.
The reason grog is okay is, I would assume, it is generally detrimental to gameplay and used for comedic purpose. I don't see how cigars could be implemented to make them a joke.
But then again, if they were added and the ratings jumped slightly, I probably wouldn't complain. That would mean I'm more likely to find a competent crew which isn't comprised of 8 year olds lol.
So yeah, we probably don't need cigars and probably won't see them. But if they did get added for whatever reason I have no objections.
@peony7185 true…but cartoons like this are more kid then teenager is my point lol also alcohol is dangerous as well so if alcohol is in the game might as well have cigars
@burnbacon said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
If you want to smoke. Start a fire
Ah yes just carry a campfire around with you r/thanksimcured
I swear I've never seen a forum group that answers with the most r/thanksimcured responses than this forum...
@z3phlar said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/topic/33513/smoking-pipes/4
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Mike Chapman hasn't lied. There are signs of smoking pipes, cigars, ash trays, etc. everywhere. They are in the game. Most notably are the burn marks from a double smoking pipe left behind by "The Captain" at the Brotherhood's meeting table. You can thank Captain Falcore for that one. 😉
@galactic-geek said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@z3phlar said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/topic/33513/smoking-pipes/4
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Mike Chapman hasn't lied. There are signs of smoking pipes, cigars, ash trays, etc. everywhere. They are in the game.
But that's not what Mike said. He said you'd be able to smoke a pipe, not that they would exist in the game world.
@mferr11 said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@galactic-geek said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
@z3phlar said in 4 Years Ago a Rare Employee said we would have smoking pipes/cigars:
https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/topic/33513/smoking-pipes/4
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Mike Chapman hasn't lied. There are signs of smoking pipes, cigars, ash trays, etc. everywhere. They are in the game.
But that's not what Mike said. He said you'd be able to smoke a pipe, not that they would exist in the game world.
Yeah, okay, but that doesn't change the fact that plans do change over time. What was said then may no longer apply now, as Meroviel, a Rare employee, has already pointed out in this very thread...
@z3phlar maybe it was planned first, but then they realized it would change the ratings in some countries...so they were forced to cancel that...
So that employee just didn't know it better...
Did you ever think of that?
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