Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.

@wyvernkraehe said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

Completely missed the opportunity to report an individual due to forgetting to save the recording. Basically, while doing open seas pvp, there was a player who would jump around in the water whenever the snipper riffle was pointed at them.

Vaguely amusing and odd, although annoying for aiming. Un-aimed snipper and waited until their avatar was done hopping all over the place and finally steadied so they could swim in a set direction (it seems that they could not do much while their avatar was hopping back and fourth), then shot the second their avatar steadied again.
Sank them twice, but it was frustrating that I completely forgot to save the recording of the encounter.

This is sort of a request for people to save playback and send it in if seeing someone who otherwise had steady characters suddenly start rubberbanding and hopping back and forth in the water while you are aiming at them.

When it comes to the battle itself, the avatar hopping appears to put them off kilter so patience and shooting right after their character steadies again seems to work.

This is known as DPI switching/glitching. In between shots they will toggle their dpi very high and shake their mouse around while they eat food to heal and reload their weapon.

FYI if you shoot where the center of the glitching would be it should still hit them. Report them either way though, Rare needs to root out this behavior.

@tossico94 I seriously doubt shaking the mouse around would make it possible for your character to hop -backwards- and up and down in the water.

I'm a PC player and have done a lot of underwater battles, including moving the mouse around quickly while doing so. I am not saying you are necessarily wrong when commenting about a method, but this is possibly also a factor of different views of the level of avatar behavior. I just highly doubt that shaking the mouse alone can let you hop -backwards- and in the manner in which I saw the avatar in question behaving. Not with the way that it was clipping. A DPI shift however, would explain the level of erraticness of the avatar hop and flickered shifting.

Riiight. Oh-kay.

That they don't believe I'm a pc player speaks to that it's very likely a misunderstanding/miscommunication regarding the level and degree of the clipping that was going on with the character.

Thank you, @kommodoreyenser and the DPI does explain how they jumped and clipped around sporadically in the water the way that they did.

Reinterring that when people see a player that otherwise had moved smoothly, suddenly clipping erratically in bouts, it would be good to save and send in a playback of that avatar's behavior.

@tossico94 said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

@kommodoreyenser

It's not dpi, it's just shaking the mouse randomly and moving

You must play on 1,600+ dpi and 10 character sens. then right? 400-800 is pretty average and I have not seen nor been accused of actions at 800 dpi and 6.5 character sens.

You are entitled to your own opinions, however there have been players coming onto the forums to complain about getting banned for it. If someone records video of you doing it, and enough people do the same, I guarantee you might not like the outcome.

This exploit really should be fixed already. There's no reason to keep it in the game, it looks bad and its unfair.

@tossico94 said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

@kommodoreyenser

I play on default settings for mouse.

Looks like this forum is full of peoples who speak without even playing the game.

None of you actually tried to do it before replying to me.

Again,imagine banning peoples for moving on water.

Tell me again how it doesn't happen: https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/topic/135762/there-needs-to-be-a-system-in-place-to-monitor-a-player-s-dpi-if-rare-wants-to-ban-players-for-dpi-switching-sensitivity-issues-and-underwater-combat/2

That took all of 15 second to search for.

Also, 1,300+ hours here, far from never playing. Have seen it done against me, have seen it done against others. With 800 DPI and 6.5 Character Sensitivity, I have never accidentally done it. I have never had crew mates that have done it with reasonable DPI and Character Sensitivity.

Even at 800 DPI, the default settings for mouse are absurdly high, getting used to aiming with such fast sens and then being able to pull a trick like that off is definitely more than irritating on the receiving end, and frustrating for accusations on the other.

Also if you see someone doing something like that, record that first and send it to Rare for a bug report/player report, but more importantly stay out of the water if they're doing that. Water fights in the game are extremely scuffed if you don't know what you're doing, (or even if you do know what you're doing sometimes), it's easier to aim with a weapon underwater as your target can't move as fast as on land where they can elevate and disorient your ADS preventing you from firing or missing a shot.

Experienced players have learned how to perform "water strafing", where they simply turn away from aiming at you and swim in a different direction over and over again, a method that's used to trigger hit registration easier, but also cause you to miss your shot if you're a quick scoper. Counters to this include but are not limited to: Readying a blunderbuss shot, readying a sword, or being on land/ship instead of in the water

Player models in the water are supposed to have certain angles for the immersion of swimming up from/down to a shipwreck/shrine together, however the flaws of this make combat an irritating mess in the heat of combat.

@tossico94 said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

Banned: You have shaken your camera too hard

Hilarious

Banned: You willingly, knowingly, and repeatedly took advantage of a bug in the game - Definition - Exploit.

@tossico94 said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

@kommodoreyenser

It's not.bug,its the way the game works.

But hey, it's exploit since you have decided it is, no matter if since alpha this isn't changed right.

Exploit that isn't fixed beside being there since the closed alpha sessions,your ignorance is funny tho.

Was the instant shooting of sniper/pistol not an exploit that was there since closed alpha? Did people not get banned for it and it eventually got patched out to be mostly harmless now?

I can think of at least half a dozen other similar items, but yeah, keep defending something you utilize as an advantage over others that either have no clue because it is not an intended combat feature, or refuse to use it for fear of a ban.

Also, shows your character to insult someone by calling them ignorant when presenting you with hard info of bans from this behavior. Your definition of a bug is also laughable considering it must be a bug if someone exploiting it catches a ban. If you are going to insult Rare in this way as well, why even play their games if you don't like their stance?

@kommodoreyenser you clearly dont play this game the animation is so broken that everyone can fly around without even knowing and i guarantee you noone ever changed dpi, if people are getting banned for rare coding skills then people who play on alliance servers should be banned too

If that seems unfair to you, I don't want to be near when you get oneshoot by Doubletapping exploit xD

@str3akstim said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

@kommodoreyenser you clearly dont play this game the animation is so broken that everyone can fly around without even knowing and i guarantee you noone ever changed dpi, if people are getting banned for rare coding skills then people who play on alliance servers should be banned too

Exaggeration much. Everyone would include about 26 players I regularly play with including myself. None of us have managed to accidentally do what is being talked about here.

@tossico94 said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

@kommodoreyenser

None got banned for the double gun exploit, they fixed the delay and that's it.

Your lack of knowledge make me doubt alot about your ability to make sentences.

People did in fact get banned, several on the forums talked as much over the 2019 time period about it. I know you have had the game since alpha but clearly you have not been a regular on the forums. Again, learn to use searches.

@tossico94 said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

Because most of community who were double gunning in that period were also toxic in the game. That's most likely why they got banned.

If the ban was about double gun exploit half of the pc community would've been banned, and it never happened.

You didn't do much research I see,common practice of users in this forum. Speaking without even knowing what they talk about.

Generalizations, no data/links to threads/email screenshots from support, and yet I am the one not doing research. Where is your info that 50% of the Pc community uses quick swap? Hell, I will make it easier on you, how many players is the PC community?

Common practice of someone trying to defend something they believe is acceptable when nearly the entire community and more importantly the game developer deems it unacceptable.

@tossico94 said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

@kommodoreyenser

You didn't provide any data about your "peoples got banned for double gunning" (because it's not true, it's just a a statement you made to defend your lack of knowledge in the discussion) but I am the one who need to do it?

Coerence

I'm not surprised by someone who report peoples for shaking they're camera tho.

I feel bad for Microsoft Enforcement if this is the level of tickets they get.

The true fact of the matter is Rare have never given a list of what is or isn't ban-able specifically and probably never will. It will just get nit picked to death by exploiters and cheaters.
They also do not allow discussing enforcement actions on the forums so good luck finding cases outside of someone complaining they got banned for "X" right before the thread is locked.

At the end of the day, if Rare determines something is an exploit, and enough people submit recorded gameplay of the same person doing said exploit, Rare may ban you and there isn't much you can do about it. I know I would hate to lose my account for any reason but especially for something as stupid as abusing quick swap, dpi glitching in the water, etc.

Also, literally none of your posts or POV have a single cited source, data #, etc. throughout this entire thread. It is literally opinion and self-assurance. You literally don't even have support from the community on the forum by the looks of it. I do understand your bitterness though, as you once thought the sword lunge boost swimming an exploit and Rare decided it was acceptable.

As there is literally nothing left to discuss with you, I wish you luck upon the seas and hope you decide to stop using any exploits before you possibly catch a ban on a founder account.

@kommodoreyenser it's very easy to do without toggling a dpi switch, especially with high mouse sensitivity. I instinctively did this in water without ever learning about it secondhand or from a youtube video, from playing first person shooters for 30 years. There is no swim up/down key platform so you're limited on water movement in this game and it just seemed natural to sprint swim erratically in any direction with mouse movement between eating or reloading. Dodging shots is no crime. Have been called out for glitching before but no mechanic I ever did was intended that way.

@unleet1 said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

@kommodoreyenser it's very easy to do without toggling a dpi switch, especially with high mouse sensitivity. I instinctively did this in water without ever learning about it secondhand or from a youtube video, from playing first person shooters for 30 years. There is no swim up/down key platform so you're limited on water movement in this game and it just seemed natural to sprint swim erratically in any direction with mouse movement between eating or reloading. Have been called out for glitching before but no mechanic I ever did was intended that way.

I understand some may have this happen with high mouse sense and DPI, still doesn't change the end result though as stated:

@personalc0ffee said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

@tossico94 said in Cheats: character hopping/rubberbanding.:

@kommodoreyenser

I play on default settings for mouse.

Looks like this forum is full of peoples who speak without even playing the game.

None of you actually tried to do it before replying to me.

Again,imagine banning peoples for moving on water.

Whether it is caused at low, high, or dpi switch is irrelevant. If a player is found utilizing such a glitch/exploit in order to gain a clear advantage during the battle, action can be taken against the account.

Also, your dpi does not need to be high for it to occur, you just have to move your mouse extremely fast or erratically in the water. I tested with a crew member with my DPI as low as 800 and it still occurs.

People utilizing this know EXACTLY what they are doing and why they are doing it. Yes, if you fire directly in the middle, that is where their hitbox should be and you SHOULD hit them. However hitreg being hitreg, it might not count. What you absolutely don't want to do is attempt to follow their character.

If you are doing this, you can be clipped and have a ticket submitted and support will very well take action against you. I do know people who have been banned for exploiting this same as spawn camping in the game.