The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s)

@jtye-b this really seems like a personal hang up on something very trivial. Just look at it as a 100% luck based achievement (they are out there easily. Look at the wood, cannon, and fruit crate titles which all require finding message in a bottle mission for those specific deliveries)

It is also no different than legendary thief (once a title meaning you were a pretty good pirate but post-alliance servers and the like just usually means you are lucky or a PvE grinder and trader to most)

If anything I think the Box of Wondrous Secrets needs a title. I don’t see a point in removing such a sought after title. Even if it is 100% luck based.

Ahoy @kommodoreyenser,

I don't really agree with you.

Titles I see as something you can go for and something you can show to players the effort you put into getting it.

The examples you give can all be forced to get, by going to a lot of islands to find bottles and for the "Legendary thief" title you can look for Fort of Fortune for example.

You can't force the Shrouded Ghost meg any more than you already do by sailing around the sea. The Shrouded Ghost meg is also not more difficult to defeat, than any other megalodon species, so defeating the Shrouded Ghost meg is more meant for the moment than for the title.

Ahoy @greengrimz,

Sorry to break your plot twist, but I haven't found a Shrouded Ghost megalodon yet after the 1,100+ Megalodons Encountered (According to the Sea of Thieves website, but this only showed up later after the megs were added, so I dont know if the status are 100% correct).

The Shrouded Ghost's rarity is the most uninspired way to prevent players from 100%-ing the game.

IMO, the shrouded should still be a special and rare encounter, but an even more special victory. Make it less rare, but make it 4x as difficult for every ship type. I'm talking this thing should be a 15+ minute battle where you are scrambling to repair holes, firing cannons, guns, Disney sticks, scarfing food, getting knocked off your ship, giving it everything you've got. Just an all out battle with the most ferocious beast in the seas.

Make it something that crews have to really consider if they're capable enough before they drop anchor.

Meh...maybe I'm crazy...

Ahoy @sweetsandman,

I really like you're idea.

Instead of making it super rare, make it super hard, long and a special fight, so that it still remains special and also feels like a real victory.

@jtye-b said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

Ahoy @kommodoreyenser,

I don't really agree with you.

Titles I see as something you can go for and something you can show to players the effort you put into getting it.

The examples you give can all be forced to get, by going to a lot of islands to find bottles and for the "Legendary thief" title you can look for Fort of Fortune for example.

You can't force the Shrouded Ghost meg any more than you already do by sailing around the sea. The Shrouded Ghost meg is also not more difficult to defeat, than any other megalodon species, so defeating the Shrouded Ghost meg is more meant for the moment than for the title.

I don’t think you’ll be agreeing with many people because asking for no commendation or anything to prove you killed the rarest thing in the game is something I personally don’t understand the idea behind. I believe the box of wondrous secrets should have a commendation or Xbox achievement tied behind it.

@illbushido305 said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

I don’t think you’ll be agreeing with many people because asking for no commendation or anything to prove you killed the rarest thing in the game is something I personally don’t understand the idea behind. I believe the box of wondrous secrets should have a commendation or Xbox achievement tied behind it.

Ahoy @illbushido305,

That's fine, then we both know where our point of view is different.

Titles are meant to show to others that you have done something that has required a lot of effort on your side. If you show the title "Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost" to another person, then you have put no more effort into it than you have in defeating another megalodon species. The title therefore has no more value to show to others than that you were lucky.

The title will have value for yourself, because it's linked to your experience, but because the title doesn't add anything to showing others what you've done, I think the title(s) should be removed or the fight with the Shrouded Ghost should be changed.

@jtye-b said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

@illbushido305 said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

I don’t think you’ll be agreeing with many people because asking for no commendation or anything to prove you killed the rarest thing in the game is something I personally don’t understand the idea behind. I believe the box of wondrous secrets should have a commendation or Xbox achievement tied behind it.

Ahoy @illbushido305,

That's fine, then we both know where our point of view is different.

Titles are meant to show to others that you have done something that has required a lot of effort on your side. If you show the title "Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost" to another person, then you have put no more effort into it than you have in defeating another megalodon species. The title therefore has no more value to show to others than that you were lucky.

The title will have value for yourself, because it's linked to your experience, but because the title doesn't add anything to showing others what you've done, I think the title(s) should be removed or the fight with the Shrouded Ghost should be changed.

Titles aren’t meant to represent skill or work. They all only represent something you did regardless of what it was or how difficult it was. If you defeated the ghost, you get to be titled as one of the lucky pirates who’ve managed to encounter her, and defeat her. It’s really simple dude, I believe you’re possibly overthinking what titles do in the game.

@wolfmanbush said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

It's not entirely luck based

Ahoy @wolfmanbush,

Yes, it is entirely luck based.

This was said by a Moderator in an older similar topic:

It is pure RNG with the odds against everybody equally!

Playing the lottery every week also won't mean eventually you will definitely win the jackpot at some point.

I don't know if I'm allowed to send likes in the topic. If it is allowed then I will update this with the like added.

@illbushido305 said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

Titles aren’t meant to represent skill or work. They all only represent something you did regardless of what it was or how difficult it was. If you defeated the ghost, you get to be titled as one of the lucky pirates who’ve managed to encounter her, and defeat her. It’s really simple dude, I believe you’re possibly overthinking what titles do in the game.

If title are only representing something you did regardless of what it was or how difficult it was, then what is the point of showing you're title in the first place to other people if it only has a meaning to yourself.

@jtye-b said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

If title are only representing something you did regardless of what it was or how difficult it was, then what is the point of showing you're title in the first place to other people if it only has a meaning to yourself.

To show others what you've done, no matter how impressing it is. No one's going to glance at it more than ones so just use one you think sounds neat.

@jtye-b the point is to show that you did it. It’s not to get people kneel down before you for buying the level 5 Gold Hoarder promotion. You use it if you want to use it. If you don’t want to use it, you don’t. I really don’t understand why you’re complaining about the titles of all things.

@wolfmanbush said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

I disagree with you on this:

There isn't guaranteed outcome for grade 5 athena flags if someone isn't cheesing it. A person could organically play for years and not spot an athena 5 flag to steal for their commendation and they need 5 of those too.

You can make this more guaranteed by going to the Athena's Fortune Emissary Table, so you can see if there is an Athena's Fortune Emissary in the server. This increases your chance of getting a grade 5, with the ghost meg, you can't do this.

@sweetsandman said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

The Shrouded Ghost's rarity is the most uninspired way to prevent players from 100%-ing the game.

IMO, the shrouded should still be a special and rare encounter, but an even more special victory. Make it less rare, but make it 4x as difficult for every ship type. I'm talking this thing should be a 15+ minute battle where you are scrambling to repair holes, firing cannons, guns, Disney sticks, scarfing food, getting knocked off your ship, giving it everything you've got. Just an all out battle with the most ferocious beast in the seas.

Make it something that crews have to really consider if they're capable enough before they drop anchor.

Meh...maybe I'm crazy...

I dunno man, it’s just supposed to be an albinal megalodon which is why it’s rare, your encounter sounds like a whole lot more lol. There should however be more cool things like this. Currently we basically have megs, krakens, and skelly ships.

Ahoy @limend and @illbushido305,

I agree with you both.

A title is to show others what you've done, no matter how impressive it is, but my point is that the fight with the ghost meg is no more different than a fight with another megalodon species. Therefore the ghost meg title has the same values as the other megalodon species title.

The only thing that is different about the ghost meg title is the moment that you experience, but you can't show that to others that is something that belongs to you.

@illbushido305 said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

@sweetsandman said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

The Shrouded Ghost's rarity is the most uninspired way to prevent players from 100%-ing the game.

IMO, the shrouded should still be a special and rare encounter, but an even more special victory. Make it less rare, but make it 4x as difficult for every ship type. I'm talking this thing should be a 15+ minute battle where you are scrambling to repair holes, firing cannons, guns, Disney sticks, scarfing food, getting knocked off your ship, giving it everything you've got. Just an all out battle with the most ferocious beast in the seas.

Make it something that crews have to really consider if they're capable enough before they drop anchor.

Meh...maybe I'm crazy...

I dunno man, it’s just supposed to be an albinal megalodon which is why it’s rare, your encounter sounds like a whole lot more lol. There should however be more cool things like this. Currently we basically have megs, krakens, and skelly ships.

"Rare" is one thing...but there's no reason that players with 2..3..4...5.....6+ thousand game hours have never seen one....that's not rare...that's non-existent...which plays into the meme.

@wolfmanbush

Haven't you encountered like 2k+ megs and never seen one?

Sure playstyles go into it...Look at Boxy for example...he's never seen one in 7k+ hours...but he's also on servers for an average of probably 30 minutes...and spends a lot of time tucking on forts and such...so I wouldn't expect him to see one.

But there's a heck of a lot of grinders with a lot of meg encounters that have never seen one.

I maintain that the RNG, as it stands, is just a lazy and uninspired way to prevent players from 100%-ing the game.

@wolfmanbush I'd love to say I've never missed one and that I've identified every meg I've encountered, but that's just not realistic.

Maybe a Shrouded encounter...err..counter...would be beneficial

I still maintain that they should consider reducing the rarity (still keep it a very rare occurrence, though)..and upping the difficulty exponentially for each ship type. Make it something that feels like a victory and feels special beyond just the RNG...

@jtye-b

The shrouded ghost was never meant to be this rare and Rare never fixed it.

When the ammo crates came out there was a programming glitch that made them rarer then the shrouded ghost but Rare fixed the spawn rates. Considering the “Legendary Hunter of the Shrouded Ghost title used to be 50 killed instead of 5 is proof of Rare’s original intention. Rare never fixed the spawn rates because of the few sightings made it a great story similar to Moby Dik the white whale.

I wish Rare would make it spawn easier or at least with an insane amount of work such as killing all 4 other megladons in a single play session.

@wolfmanbush said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

@jtye-b said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

@wolfmanbush said in The Shrouded Ghost megalodon title(s):

I disagree with you on this:

There isn't guaranteed outcome for grade 5 athena flags if someone isn't cheesing it. A person could organically play for years and not spot an athena 5 flag to steal for their commendation and they need 5 of those too.

You can make this more guaranteed by going to the Athena's Fortune Emissary Table, so you can see if there is an Athena's Fortune Emissary in the server. This increases your chance of getting a grade 5, with the ghost meg, you can't do this.

and playing in a way that consistently spawned megs every day increased my chances.

You didn't see me trying to take it away from people that didn't put in the ridiculous amount of effort and dedication that I did to achieve my goal. I've met people that only played for 4 days that had the title. People that only played for a month that had the title. Good for them. That's awesome.

Taking away from other people just because it hasn't happened to you YET doesn't get anyone anywhere in pirate life.

I'm also not trying to take away the feeling of the encounter with the Shrouded Ghost meg.

I said that I would prefer that both titles go away, but I did not say that the experience you get from the ghost meg has to go away. I said that Sea of Thieves most likely doesn't want to do the titles away, which is why I came up with a suggestion to change the "Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost" title to defeat 1 Shrouded Ghost meg, even though I don't agree that it should be a title.

Another good idea that I like, that came from SweetSandMan is to make the Shrouded Ghost meg a little less rare, but that the fight will be super hard and long, making it still a hard title to get, but with a different values attached to it instead of RNG.

@wolfmanbush

The shrouded ghost is so rare that I don’t bother wasting my time hunting the ghost. It’s just luck that people find one ghost but finding 5 is physically impossible

anything put in the game should be obtainable…this thing is nearly impossibe and needs to be fixed