Personally, I think that the Chest of Legends needs to become a bit more valuable, nowadays it's not really exciting, being worth a max 7k gold without emissary bonus. It used to be exciting and thrilling to be able to either get one from a voyage/fort or to steal one. Now it's just sort of a "meh", and doing athena voyages feels a bit unrewarding, especially with all the new content, as an Ashen Winds Skull takes much less longer to retrieve, and can be worth more.
What's your opinion on this?
@wolfmanbush said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
a chest of legends should be like 50k these days imo when factoring in time/rarity/and how much someone can make in a short amount of time in this game now
So the FoF is almost 45k more valuable than it's now, after which people complain that the FotD isn't worth enough, &c, &c, before you know it a castaway goes for 15k and the screens aren't big enough to show the amount of gold a Pirate has (warning: hyperbole overload …)
The hour and a half or so it takes to get an Athena also includes 8 chests, 6 trinkets, 8 skulls, 8 pieces of cargo and two treasure chests. An Athena voyage needs more Athena items, higher tier loot in general or at least worth more Emissary reputation. Not a 7 times multiplier to the Athena chest.
@lem0n-curry said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
@wolfmanbush said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
a chest of legends should be like 50k these days imo when factoring in time/rarity/and how much someone can make in a short amount of time in this game now
So the FoF is almost 45k more valuable than it's now, after which people complain that the FotD isn't worth enough, &c, &c, before you know it a castaway goes for 15k and the screens aren't big enough to show the amount of gold a Pirate has (warning: hyperbole overload …)
The hour and a half or so it takes to get an Athena also includes 8 chests, 6 trinkets, 8 skulls, 8 pieces of cargo and two treasure chests. An Athena voyage needs more Athena items, higher tier loot in general or at least worth more Emissary reputation. Not a 7 times multiplier to the Athena chest.
not any real point flooding an athena quest with more athena loot when it has such low value
some of the prices would need adjusting for it to matter at all
low end loot never needs to be adjusted. The athena chest hasn't adapted to the times. Some of this loot doesn't make sense with the current price for the modern day it's still based on years ago
@wolfmanbush said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
@lem0n-curry said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
@wolfmanbush said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
a chest of legends should be like 50k these days imo when factoring in time/rarity/and how much someone can make in a short amount of time in this game now
So the FoF is almost 45k more valuable than it's now, after which people complain that the FotD isn't worth enough, &c, &c, before you know it a castaway goes for 15k and the screens aren't big enough to show the amount of gold a Pirate has (warning: hyperbole overload …)
The hour and a half or so it takes to get an Athena also includes 8 chests, 6 trinkets, 8 skulls, 8 pieces of cargo and two treasure chests. An Athena voyage needs more Athena items, higher tier loot in general or at least worth more Emissary reputation. Not a 7 times multiplier to the Athena chest.
not any real point flooding an athena quest with more athena loot when it has such low value
Flooding ? I had quests where we ended up with a total of four Athena items. It brings emissary value, so you might get to A5 before finishing the 2nd one. You know, in case the RNG doesn't give you the Megs or the Skloops.
some of the prices would need adjusting for it to matter at all
low end loot never needs to be adjusted. The athena chest hasn't adapted to the times. Some of this loot doesn't make sense with the current price for the modern day it's still based on years ago
Low end loot was part of the hyperbole.
@lem0n-curry said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
@wolfmanbush said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
@lem0n-curry said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
@wolfmanbush said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
a chest of legends should be like 50k these days imo when factoring in time/rarity/and how much someone can make in a short amount of time in this game now
So the FoF is almost 45k more valuable than it's now, after which people complain that the FotD isn't worth enough, &c, &c, before you know it a castaway goes for 15k and the screens aren't big enough to show the amount of gold a Pirate has (warning: hyperbole overload …)
The hour and a half or so it takes to get an Athena also includes 8 chests, 6 trinkets, 8 skulls, 8 pieces of cargo and two treasure chests. An Athena voyage needs more Athena items, higher tier loot in general or at least worth more Emissary reputation. Not a 7 times multiplier to the Athena chest.
not any real point flooding an athena quest with more athena loot when it has such low value
Flooding ? I had quests where we ended up with a total of four Athena items. It brings emissary value, so you might get to A5 before finishing the 2nd one. You know, in case the RNG doesn't give you the Megs or the Skloops.
some of the prices would need adjusting for it to matter at all
low end loot never needs to be adjusted. The athena chest hasn't adapted to the times. Some of this loot doesn't make sense with the current price for the modern day it's still based on years ago
Low end loot was part of the hyperbole.
A 10 minute event that gives an item that is worth 3-4k more than the most coveted item in the game which generally takes significantly longer to obtain doesn't make any sense.
This is one of the many things about Athena's Fortune that needs a proper revamp. The coveted Chest of Legends, the main voyage and it's ashen counterpart, and reputation gain from said Athena items need a rework to at the very least, make the voyages and trading company activities more enjoyable. I'm sure something like that could happen in a later season, but maybe when we get about 1 million PLs first because not a lot of the player base has reached PL, and Rare still wants to make content for the majority that are playing the game.
I agree completely that the Chest of Legends has been seriously devalued, mainly due to it’s lack of rarity. I’d like to see some sort of super CoL. Maybe they could increase the Athena level to 50 or 100, and the new item would be worth an entire level. Obviously, it would have to be associated with a difficult new voyage. They definitely need to do something.
What AF really needs is a new quest that gives almost exclusively AF items and isn’t tied to the Bilge Rats. The AF quests we have now are garbage. They’re really long and they don’t give much AF loot. The Chest of Legends itself is still pretty valuable, with the Ashen version still giving 8-12k without an Emissary.
@nex-stargaze The thing is, it's really easy to get to PL now, especially with Emissaries, so I think the PL updates really are long overdue. Even for players who aren't PL, it would be something to look forward too. But yeah, AF really needs a rework.
I remember the days when stealing an Athena was a big thing and Legendary Thief was actually a title that showed skill. That was, until Alliance Servers began to pop up more and other Athena items were added. Stealing one nowadays just doing have that same feeling. Before, if you stole one, you would be so happy, but now it’s like, “Cool, I stole an Athena… I’m bored.”
@scurvywoof said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
I remember the days when stealing an Athena was a big thing and Legendary Thief was actually a title that showed skill. That was, until Alliance Servers began to pop up more and other Athena items were added. Stealing one nowadays just doing have that same feeling. Before, if you stole one, you would be so happy, but now it’s like, “Cool, I stole an Athena… I’m bored.”
It's because people hopping for easy athena steals desensitized themselves by opting out of adventure steals and into quick steal satisfaction
playing organically things are still pretty exciting. Especially the rare times some crew attacks you and happens to have an athena on board or right place right time conflict where someone has one
Coordinated loot trade killed significance but impatience and overindulgence killed people's thrill for athena chests
@wolfmanbush That is an opinion, my friend. PvE is one of the most incredibly boring thing ever ( a different opinion to yours…probably ) and that is mainly the reason that nice feeling you get when you get an Athena, especially stealing one, is no longer there. Obviously, you feel otherwise, but that’s how it is for me, and a lot of my friends.
I agree its gold value isn't what it should be. I remember a day when it was coveted for its rarity, and price. Only available at the end of a long voyage and worth more than anything else. Now with it being easier to come by and not always being the most expensive item in the stash, it isn't as impactful as it once was.
As someone with maxed out rep, the only real benefit of treasure is meaningless gold, and if I want to earn some, athena is my last choice. The voyages include too many items that don't benefit from the emissary bonus. Even with the full multiplier, the gold amount won't be as high as if you ran any other emissary with their voyage. I feel like the only real point in doing athena is for the rep, after that it's a poor use of time.
It bugs me seeing streamers always go for the athena chest. I understand some still need the rep and some even want to hit A20 with only stolen chests, so for them the value is much higher than anything else due to the rarity and rep. However I find myself thinking that I would rather fight for the whole stash and not just yoink the one chest, or at least take off with the more expensive item if available. They see it as a win but to me it's just a few thousand gold. Two or three gems would do the same for me. If it was worth 10k, same as the ashen wind skull and reapers bounty, I could get behind swiping an athena chest.
@WolfManbush makes a good point that treasure needs to be balanced based on its rarity and time it takes to obtain. 10k for an ashen wind skull seems a little high to me. I know it was much lower before and was raised to what it is, but now it outshines the athena chest and is much more common.
Hopefully Rare has been working on something that will change athena loot, athena voyages, the legend hideout, and so much more about being a legend, and maybe we will see it soon since the Disney stuff is out of the way.
Speaking of Athena’s Fortune, Legendary Voyages should not have treasure for other factions. If someone is working their way through the company, defeating the skeletons and digging the x’s shouldn’t be giving Gold Hoarder and Order of Souls stuff. This is what encourages people who do the quests to speed run them and leave behind almost everything from the initial chapter to reach the final one as it’s the only one that benefits the player. Having hardly anything that can consistently level you up makes the grind longer in terms of time consumption, leveling up reputation, and increasing emissary value for the company. When someone attacks, they also have less a whole lot less to steal from someone running Athena’s Fortune emissary. The whole company is a bit of a mess currently so hopefully it’s improved at some point.
Ahoy,
Having the Chest of Legend give more gold is a good solution, so that the Chest of Legend becomes more worth. Only I think that to really solve the problem we should not change the Atena's Fortune loot too much, because the Chest of Legend is now available in so many ways that if the Chest of Legend starts giving a lot of money it can/will be abused very quickly.
Personally I think it would be better to revamp the Legend quest or add a whole new quest that is much better than the one we have now and when you get to the end of the quest you get a new chest that levels a new trading company.
The new chest will work almost the same as the old Chest of Legend, it can only be obtained through the quest and it cannot be used with an emissary bonus.
Personally, I think something like this will be better in the end, than just giving the Chest of Legend more gold.
@testakleze Completely agree with you, I'm fully maxed out too, just feeling like a rebalance really needs to happen soon with all the content we've had over the 3 years.
@ninja-naranja Yeah I think as more people get to PL, there needs to be more options than the 3 we have. In terms of how valuable the chest is, comparing it against things such as Ashen Winds skull, it takes a lot longer to get it, which is why I think it does need a bit of a buff.
Rather than changing the value of what's already there and well established, I'd say maybe a new chest would be the better way to go. A sort of mega CoL, as it were. Something that would take some dedication to obtain and valued at a significant amount higher than a standard one. Just like there have been new and more valuable chests introduced to GH or skulls to OoS, etc. Thoughts?
Agree!
Chests of Legend has lowe value nowadays. The CoL should be one of the most valuable things in the game, in order to engage more crews and make them fight harder for it.
Also, athena voyages should reward athena loot always (or almost always, with maybe some gems), alongside with more variety of loot like: Captain Legend's Chest, one or two more different trinkets, skulls, or even crates of ghost clothes. More reskined loot like the coral version... so @aerotsune... yes. Also, Mega CoL sounds cool.
I would also love to see Athena or Legendary skeletons.
@mr-whaletoes said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
What about the "Strongbox of Eternal Legend" for 10,000-20,000 gold? I'd figure you'd get it from completing the embassy quest and perhaps defeating an optional boss dedicated for this purpose at sea, where you risk losing the flag. It'd make doing Athena's embassy much more valuable...
I think bare minimum it needs to be 25k to justify people doing something so few enjoy doing as it is.
I would bring in some sort of key or medallion system where there are athena vaults and activity leads to access
finishing an athena quest is a key/medallion and same for an athena emissary quest and FoF and FoTd
3 keys/medallions will open the vault and then it operates like a gold hoarder vault but with athena items and the new mega athena chest
keys/medallions can be stolen and anyone can use them or combine them with others
the mega chest will not be shared with alliances just like the reapers chests
@wolfmanbush said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
@mr-whaletoes said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
What about the "Strongbox of Eternal Legend" for 10,000-20,000 gold? I'd figure you'd get it from completing the embassy quest and perhaps defeating an optional boss dedicated for this purpose at sea, where you risk losing the flag. It'd make doing Athena's embassy much more valuable...
I think bare minimum it needs to be 25k to justify people doing something so few enjoy doing as it is.
I would bring in some sort of key or medallion system where there are athena vaults and activity leads to access
finishing an athena quest is a key/medallion and same for an athena emissary quest and FoF and FoTd
3 keys/medallions will open the vault and then it operates like a gold hoarder vault but with athena items and the new mega athena chest
keys/medallions can be stolen and anyone can use them or combine them with others
the mega chest will not be shared with alliances just like the reapers chests
25k is actually a pretty big jump when you have an embassy flag, and is putting it equal to the chest of wonderous secrets, which is arguably more rare based on the methods of obtainment we currently have listed here. You are pretty much guaranteed to be embassy level 5 when you get it, so that be from 60k gold (Base price 20k) to 72.5k gold (base price 25k) ...but I'm not going to decide for you if that's a good or bad thing.
I sort of like the idea of keys/medallions, but it also means that you could easily get one of the chests as a reaper (without even stealing it!) which sort of defeats the whole purpose- making specifically Athena's Fortune more valuable.
Also, (and this isn't meant to be an argument, I'm curious of your thoughts on this) how would you get the medallion? Would it be dug up from the same map as the CoL, given to you by the mysterious stranger, or something else? Would you be able to sell them? If so, I'd say 5k gold but no rep.
@mr-whaletoes said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
Also, (and this isn't meant to be an argument, I'm curious of your thoughts on this) how would you get the medallion? Would it be dug up from the same map as the CoL, given to you by the mysterious stranger, or something else? Would you be able to sell them? If so, I'd say 5k gold but no rep.
I wouldn't do a map because otherwise people just hold the maps until the end, I want keys/medallions in rotation
I would possibly physically add it to the athena chest to where a person clicks on it and it removes from the chest
I would make the keys/medallions able to be sold to the stranger
people are always talking about selling gems to the stranger I think we fulfill that request not with gems but with keys/medallions. 5k seems about right to me but if they keep the current chest at a measly 5-6 then it would need to be more like 2.5. I would allow rep because I don't see any reason not to. It's a valuable item and should get some rep love too.
If I were to add the item physically to a chest I think medallion is more appealing than a key
The athena chest can be much more valuable to someone that still needs the rep for athenas fortune. Other people that are maxed don't give it as much value because they only recieve gold. Although it has always given a pretty good price, most of the overall value was and still is reputation. Practically anything sold to anyone would give you gold but originally only that one item would give you athena rep.
Once a person doesn't need that rep, it loses most of the value associated with it. Making the athena chest and all the added athena loot more desired could be done by giving us a reason to gain more rep with the faction. Capping us removes value from the treasure since rep gains cannot be earned at max level. If something was changed with reputation levels that gives players a chance to earn rep again, maybe even infinitely, it would help the athena chest feel more rewarding.
I don't think a simple level cap raise would be best though. We had that once and it just postponed the issue a level cap causes. I don't know the best thing to do when it comes to reputation, but athena loot and the chest of legends specifically are stronger rep items than gold items, and not being able to earn rep from them makes them very lackluster.
@aerotsune I do think this would be pretty cool to see, but I still think there needs to be a tad bit of rework with the current CoL, well just the Athena Voyages in general. They take a while to complete and the rewards just aren't enough for the time it takes to complete them. As someone who is Athena 20, it just felt like a hard repetitive grind doing Thieves Haven runs to achieve. Whilst with other emissaries, they have had fun new voyages, Lost Merchant Ships, Vaults, Ghost Fleets, Athena's fortune is just really lacking. As more and more people reach PL, they're expecting it to be worthwhile and full of more content.
Is financial reward still a motivating factor in SoT? I mean, there is simply so much loot just laying/floating around, are pirates really motivated to complete an Athena's because of the gold? For me at least, Athena's was for rep/cosmetics/titles.
Inflation will just lead Rare to introducing more expensive items, like the Dark Adventurer sets, to soak up the extra wealth.
Absolutely. It’s already really fun to steal. Let’s pump up the gold reward. Keep the passion alive for this beautiful chest.
Especially as once you’ve hit level 20 Athena, it’s only value is really the value others put on it…
I almost (ALMOST) feel bad depriving others from their chest of legends. But it’s just so fun.
50k gold please!
@aerotsune said in Make the Chest of Legends more valuable:
Rather than changing the value of what's already there and well established, I'd say maybe a new chest would be the better way to go. A sort of mega CoL, as it were. Something that would take some dedication to obtain and valued at a significant amount higher than a standard one. Just like there have been new and more valuable chests introduced to GH or skulls to OoS, etc. Thoughts?
This is a brilliant idea. We need to do something like this maybe and then as I mentioned remove loot from other factions from Athena voyages and just have it be Athena’s Fortune items.
Ahoy maties!
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