Option to store maps for next play session

or having a radial cluttered with too many voyages that you can't remove.

The entire point of my suggestion was that it would be an optional thing you have to manually activate with a Voyage so there would only be as much clutter as you add yourself.

having crewmates who didn't earn it mooching off of your hard work

This is elitist nonsense... How is it a bad thing if people on your crew (whom you voluntarily allowed to join you) have a fun time without having to do a lot of boring grinding first???! It's a game for entertainment, not work. PLUS this already happens anyway because people can join you on more expensive voyages they haven't unlocked yet if you as a more experienced player initiate the voyage. Players who don't have emissary flags can join emissary missions if one person on the crew has a flag, players who are just starting can join higher level voyages if someone on the crew proposes them for a vote...

You already keep unactivated voyages, and you only get so many of those, so I'm not sure what you're getting at then.

Then you haven't understood my suggestion. I'm talking about storing (and repackaging as a voyage) active maps that are already on your Quest dial.

When you Claim Emissary Mission it doesn't give you a storeable Voyage, it automatically populates your Quest dial with a bunch of new high level maps (with more expensive loot than regular ones). What I want is the ability to keep those maps for later.

Clearly you haven't joined an open crew. Choosing teammates? Not there.

I am aware of the Open Crew option and don't use it because I don't enjoy playing with randos on the internet, as in my experience many if not most are jerks whom I have no desire to interact with. Setting your ship to open crew is a choice. If you sail together, you don't then get to complain that your crew is "mooching" as the whole point of the crew system is that gains are shared. If you don't want to share with anyone, sail a solo sloop.

6 crews of 4 all join a Sea with a listing of say 10+ previously started voyages and start all of them so they appear on the radial

Again also, you're misunderstanding the mechanics of how this suggestion would work, if implemented. In the event that you join a new crew you could simply propose a Voyage (which contains previously stored maps). If your crew votes in favour of this voyage, activating it, only then would the Quest dial be filled with those maps.

overall it sounds like the Original Poster needd to get faster at getting to emissary 5. A GH vault and a Merchant sunken ship voyage will get you close to 5 or 5. Skelly ships and megalodons are very helpful to raise emissary also. For OoS, Tridents can be very helpful. Athena takes the longest as a full voyage gets you 2.5-3.5 usually. However skelly ships, captains, and megalongons are also your friends for Athena.

WOW, are you all ever completely missing the point of this...

The goal here is emphatically NOT to maximize grinding efficiency and just "get faster". I'm not optimizing a spreadsheet here, I'm trying to have a fun pirate adventure with my friends, and preferably without feeling like the game is telling me I'm really losing out by wrapping up a session at a natural stopping point, like when you're at an outpost delivering all your loot (which is also where you would be claiming any Emissary Voyage).

I don't know where you're getting these ridiculous numbers, but in my experience an average casual play session with a crew of 4 where you're playing normally and not min-maxing every little thing but just trying to have a fun time, exploring, making the occasional stop, actually reading things you find, etc (ie playing the game), it easily takes 2-3 hours to get a level 5 emissary flag, safely reach an outpost and claim an Emissary Voyage. That's a whole evening or afternoon.

If it's not possible to let players store and re-activate maps that are already in their Quest dial (though frankly I seriously doubt it would be that insurmountable of a design problem), an alternative would be to simply let players claim their emissary voyage later... ie remember that the player has earned an Emissary Voyage and let them claim this voyage at any time (including the next session) from the relevant guild representative.

@d3adst1ck Why would it be a problem for someone who was on a crew that earned an Emissary Voyage to have their own set of Emissary maps?

If the crew pursued those maps together in the same session they would all get the same reward (which they all earned). Best case, a crew of 4 that earned an Emissary Voyage collects those rewards x4 either now in the same session, or later solo or with another crew.

Most extreme case: they all go on their own voyage after with a different crew of 4, so at the absolute maximum the reward is collected x16 total. Imo the convenience of letting people keep some maps far outweigh the negligible impact that this would have.

It's not like they can buy anything that would change gameplay so it doesn't meaningfully affect the game balance or economy.

OR if all of that is too much hassle: consider instead of making the Emissary Level 5 reward claim another set of maps to follow, just make it a simple treasure reward you get right away when you claim it from the Guild Representative. That way, you avoid any complications but still give a tangible reward for reaching level 5 AND safely delivering the flag. Or heck, even nothing would be better since you already get paid for the flag...

Just don't give me a bunch more maps to pursue right when I'm about to stop playing, just let me end the session satisfied that my voyage is complete and not half-finished.

Tip: you can stop at any time, you don't need to start or finish any voyage.

Of course you can stop playing any time. You can also stop before delivering any of the loot you found. The point is that the way the game incentivizes you to keep extending your play session forever feels bad, and that could be addressed in this or another way.

Another, simpler alternative without complications would be to let a crew choose their Claim reward from two options:

1. Claim the Emissary Voyage as normal, activated immediately
2. Claim an immediate cash reward (less than the potential value of the voyage).

This way you still get something if you don't want to do the extra voyage, but it's also worth doing the voyage for significantly more loot if you have time and want to continue playing.

If voyages are boring, why do them? You don't have to do voyages to reach grade 5.

Nowhere did I say voyages are boring. Mindless grinding and min-maxing is boring... and continuing to play when you've had enough is not fun. It's like I'm explaining that too much cake in one go is bad and your conclusion is I don't like cake...

No, a casual play does not take 2-3 hours for grade 5. You can have Grade 5 with nearly 1 GH vault, kill a few emergent captains, do their riddles, and kill some skelly ships and megs. Within 1-1.5 hours you should have your Grade V quest and emissary quest.

Yes it does, when playing normally. You still seem to be under the mistaken impression that I'm trying to optimize everything. I DON'T CARE if there are fastest recommended ways to get level 5 because that is not fun. I just want to do an interesting relaxed voyage with an Emissary flag and wrap it up in a satisfying way.

It also incentivizes players to leave or hop servers if they are attacked, to just finish it there.

How? You still need to make it to an outpost and deliver your loot and claim your voyage. Can't do that if you're being attacked. If you're just running to the guild and claiming the maps without delivering anything, what would be the point of that?? Then you're not getting any money and next time you'd still have to actually collect the treasure for all those maps to get any benefit from it.

Also, my alternative suggestion (letting you choose between Claim Voyage or Claim Cash (a smaller amount) as a reward would also get around this. If you can safely get to an outpost to claim a reward, there's no exploit.

So you want to have a relaxed game, search and read everything, don't want to hit grade 5 quickly to get the Emissary quest, yet complain that "mindless grinding" is boring.

If you don't understand the difference between relaxed self-directed play at one's own pace just for the fun of it and mindless grinding, I don't know what to tell you.

I have no opinions about Athena as I am not at the Legendary level, having reached level 50 in less than 3 guilds.

I'm not advocating creating exploits that would unbalance the game, I'm just not convinced the things I've proposed here would have any significant impact on balance, even when used in ways that are not intended.

Why so desperate for the grade 5 quest?

It's not so much about the quest itself. The problem is the game telling you, at the end of what is potentially already a long journey, that now the 'real' mission starts just when you're ready to wrap up and that kinda sucks.

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@ninjadodo7203 said in Option to store maps for next play session:

So you want to have a relaxed game, search and read everything, don't want to hit grade 5 quickly to get the Emissary quest, yet complain that "mindless grinding" is boring.

If you don't understand the difference between relaxed self-directed play at one's own pace just for the fun of it and mindless grinding, I don't know what to tell you.

I have no opinions about Athena as I am not at the Legendary level, having reached level 50 in less than 3 guilds.

I'm not advocating creating exploits that would unbalance the game, I'm just not convinced the things I've proposed here would have any significant impact on balance, even when used in ways that are not intended.

Why so desperate for the grade 5 quest?

It's not so much about the quest itself. The problem is the game telling you, at the end of what is potentially already a long journey, that now the 'real' mission starts just when you're ready to wrap up and that kinda sucks.

I do understand the difference, believe me.
Try getting the Gold curse with no checkpoints. Try getting max lvl in all factions with no emmissary bonus. I did all them before checkpoints and Emmissary's were introduced.

You forgot hitting Athena lvl 10 (maximum before emissary) WITHOUT thieves haven run (no other athena treasure then athena chest)and without commendations (no xp boost)...so 93 (!!!) athena chests to deliver! Those include animal catching voyages instead of cargo runs!
Means 93 athena voyages, which need to be finished to get that rank...that was a grind

Question, do you know what a Gilded Voyage is?

@nabberwar We got Gilded Voyages as freebies once for an event, but afaik the Emissary Voyage maps you claim with a level 5 flag are effectively the same thing, no? Maps to higher value treasure. Usually I just log off at that point though.

Maybe you guys are right that this suggestion wouldn't work, but at least one of the alternatives I've suggested in this thread (letting a crew opt for a modest cash and perhaps xp reward instead of claiming the Emissary maps) would not have any of these potential exploit problems as it would be a one-off that you get then and there.

Leaving that as a choice gives players the option to go the existing traditional route OR get a little extra for their trouble if they prefer to end their session now.

Fiction-wise it would be like "What would you like as a reward? We can give you these special maps, or you can have this fee and we'll put in a good word with the guild." (similar to buying guild xp levels from Larinna with dubloons)

(and making the cash option less valuable than the maps would ensure there's still a reason to go through the trouble of following the maps)

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@thrownbacchus

Your time was respected for playing long enough to hit grade 5 and getting bonus multiplyer.
You don't care if things get exploited? As long as you're happy I guess.

1st, Nope it wasn't. Because the "Reward" for getting to grade 5 is more quests, and by the time i'm grade 5 i may not have time to continue playing.

2nd yep, that's correct, if I'M happy i honestly don't care about anything else. You act like that's not the whole point of gaming. I play because it either makes me happy or because i have fun.

You want me to compromise that just because people would potentially exploit a system that would make my time more enjoyable?

Reward for hitting rank V isn't just the emissary voyage, it's also the possibility to sell stuff at 250% value...so if you don't have time to finish the emissary voyage...not the games fault, it's ONLY yours...if you knew, that you only have 2 or 3 hours to play and you knew, that you're struggling with getting the rank up, then it's up to you to do it more efficiently...WE ALL HAD TO DO THAT, that's why I can get rank V twice with merchants within an hour, because I thought about it and tried things...