Does anyone think Legend reward system isn't good?
We get useless merchant items and skull and worthless captain chest you hardly get any goodies in devil Roar Athena's voyage also the basic one.
Thieves heaven is the only decent one you get some xp but honestly I would rather get more XP for Athena doesn't anyone agree with me?
@bluethunder1177 feel like thieves haven runs need to get removed,
last i remeber they were supposed to be limited time
there is no reason really to do athena voyages for lvlng the athena rep anymore
You guys are talking about voyages being removed but the only thing that needs to be removed is gems, GH chests, and OoS skulls from Athena quests. The grind gets dragged out for longer because you get useless loot for other companies that are just left behind when found. It should all be Athena loot for the Athena Quest.
My 2 cents is that I don't think it should be removed. This isn't to say that the Athena Quest isn't boring as hell and just tedious, but I don't think they should remove it.
Just add more to the game.
The FoF was a really awesome addition to the game because it gave players a chance to acquire Athena items without being forced to dropping a quest. You can just be sailing around and the FoF would light up and you could decide to try your luck. FoF was an amazing addition for this.
What they could do is expand more on that or even have more different types of quests for Athena.
There is no reason to "remove" the athena quest. Yes its boring but some players DO enjoy it sadly.
I'd say just add another quest or event.
Maybe something along the lines of a rare compass that shows the locations of Athena map pieces and when you find all the pieces it leads you to an Athena vault.
Balances and what not aside but something like that.
Add stuff don't remove.
improve the rng of items drops to increase speed in leveling the flag to where it's a more reasonable session based experience
it currently is not for the average pirate
more athena 5 flags more emissary quests benefits everyone on a server.
it shouldn't be a lottery that doesn't benefit any server. It's high risk terrible reward the reward should represent the risk and the time should be realistic for a session based experience
the more adventure style athena steals the better. currently athena is dead and everyone steals from events
get those flags realistically circulating and people not having to spend 6 hours to go through the hoops to get through the emissary quest and it improves
People keep thinking they can take and take and take and that doesn't come with consequences. When you make the time and risk significantly more of a burden than the reward farmers stop farming. Why are vaults so successful on random servers? the time and risk match up with the reward. They make sense to do and a lot of people do them. Nothing about Athena makes sense for a farmer right now. Hours and hours of grinding for nearly nothing of value just to deal with some ship flying out of a portal stocked out of their minds or a hopper pvper crew that is looking to swipe it right at the end with plenty of chainshots to end it quickly? People have no interest in high risk low reward and long amounts of time and that shows daily on these servers. Now it applies to reapers as well as athena. Farming with extra risk isn't going to make sense for most SOT players at this point as the risk/time and reward aren't balanced at all imo on some of this stuff
Yeah, legendary voyages need to go. It's waaayy past time the devs added an actual voyage that is unique for Athena. Athena voyage just felt like a copy and paste place holder way back when the game came out as a way to shamefully hide the fact that the game itself was incomplete.
Honestly, who thought that doing all the other basic voyages over again in a mix while sailing the entire map for hours on end was going to be a great idea? Guess they had no choice with the limited time but no excuses for that now, they've had and still got time to work on something epic for legends
Regardless, it's not something that is required now, just leave the haven run and add actual content for legends that is deserved considering the amount of years they've supported the game.
Sorry still salty when devs said back then that legendary status was going to be when the actual game started. It's been roughly 4 years now and legendary literally feels like anything but that.
I'm ok with it...before Thieves Haven run, we only got the athena chest, everything else was regular loot, so it got updated, with a chance of getting athena stuff now...Leveling up is also pretty easy...I solo a thieves haven run and then I do a DR athena voyage, before finished I hit rank V...then I down and upvote athena to get a second emissary voyage...just do this once and you are top tier in the emissary ledger...athena should be harder to rank up, but when you know how to do it, it's as easy as other factions, just takes a little bit longer
Edit: I'm against getting rid of the older voyages, better get a new one, like a thieves haven run voyage for each region...
@schwammlgott said in Athena reward system isn't Great do we need update?:
I'm ok with it...before Thieves Haven run, we only got the athena chest, everything else was regular loot, so it got updated, with a chance of getting athena stuff now...Leveling up is also pretty easy...I solo a thieves haven run and then I do a DR athena voyage, before finished I hit rank V...then I down and upvote athena to get a second emissary voyage...just do this once and you are top tier in the emissary ledger...athena should be harder to rank up, but when you know how to do it, it's as easy as other factions, just takes a little bit longer
takes a lot longer than other factions. A faction shouldn't be built around someone like me or perhaps someone like you that can play highly efficiently with a lot of experience
factions need to be based around bringing appeal and activity to as many servers as possible
Athena is simply terrible reward for high risk and way too much time for a session based experience.
What's been the result of this? Very very few athena ships on any ole random server even though more people need athena done than ever before.
It's not appealing and it's high risk and it's not realistic for the average pirates and so hardly anyone does it and hardly anyone goes much above grade 3 or 4
We have things like FoF for the elite play. There is no reason to treat a faction like it's only for the most experienced players with 6 hours a day to play.
The servers have suffered significant activity levels from neglecting the faction. It needs to be realistic for the average pirate during a session and the reward has to line up with the risk.
A failing faction that drives people out doesn't do any of us any good.
@wolfmanbush a lot longer? Not in my experience...let's say about 1,5 times longer the way I did...anyway, should it be updated, yes but with more voyages, different ones...now if someone does athena emissary, you know exactly where to find them, thieves haven...One change I'd say maybe makes it better: let EVERY treasure from thieves haven run and athena voyages be an actual athena treasure, BUT ranking up should be slower then for each piece
@schwammlgott said in Athena reward system isn't Great do we need update?:
@wolfmanbush a lot longer? Not in my experience...let's say about 1,5 times longer the way I did...anyway, should it be updated, yes but with more voyages, different ones...now if someone does athena emissary, you know exactly where to find them, thieves haven...One change I'd say maybe makes it better: let EVERY treasure from thieves haven run and athena voyages be an actual athena treasure, BUT ranking up should be slower then for each piece
that's essentially the same thing I am asking in reality other than mine will bring in more grade 5 athenas on servers other than alliance servers and a few more legend chests floating around
imo servers would be much better with an increase in athena 5/emissary situations. More cups and crates for rng would be fine but I don't think it gives the boost needed to really change the organic experience but it would help unless it boosts that flag leveling
With as many new players and new pirate legends as we have now the faction should be flourishing. With adjustments I think it can be quite a bit better.
@wolfmanbush if changed that way, Rare would've to communicate that in an extraordinary way, so everybody knows...I think then it could be, that more athena emissarys are around...
@schwammlgott said in Athena reward system isn't Great do we need update?:
@wolfmanbush if changed that way, Rare would've to communicate that in an extraordinary way, so everybody knows.I think then it could be, that more athena emissarys are around.
people catch on to everything over time
they figure out what is best for them and not and we see changes with the average pirate's gameplay
less people have kegs because they adapted
more people watch ladders because they adapted
less people stack because they adapted
when things make sense for someone they figure it out and you see more people branching out into some more risk for more reward and putting in more effort because it actual makes sense for them to do so
You see it with the other factions. They do pretty well because the risk/reward/time makes sense. Reaper had a great run because it makes/made sense (I think it makes less sense now for the average pirate because of a few things working against them heavily) but it still was a great run
I wouldn't mind seeing the voyage offerings feature smaller voyages that don't end with a chest of legends. Perhaps they can be bought from the stranger and feature an OoS voyage that rewards a few ancient skulls, a merchant type voyage rewarding a crate or two etc. This way the rep is in line with the effort and those without the hours to dedicate to the Athena voyages can gain a small boost to their rep while fitting into tighter schedules.
@antfornicator69 Thieves Haven runs are the only saving grace the entire faction has. Remove that without a proper replacement and you’ll have a riot on your hands. The faction needs a new and fun voyage to do, not less content overall.
I’m surprised it’s gone as long as is has without any real content tbh
Athena's Fortune is long and grindy without offering any sort of novelty or unique challenge. The Pirate Legend trading company is simply a combination of the main 3 companies, but with an arbitrary extension to the time investment that is not supported by anything new or fun to do.
The sad part is that every other trading company has received new voyage variety while Athena's Fortune has been left in the dust. It is in desperate need of an overhaul that is seemingly never going to happen. It needs new voyages and new mechanics that give this company an identity of its own.
Rare have put a lot of love and care into Sea of Thieves as a whole and they have worked hard to make the game the success that it is today - they absolutely deserve the praise and credit for that. What disappoints me is how Athena's Fortune and Pirate Legend content in general have been shelved, abandoned, and forgotten entirely.
I'd like to get back into doing Athenas again to get those new emissary rewards, but I can't justify wasting a single minute of my limited gaming time on something as boring and unfun as Athena's Fortune in its current state.
