It's a problem in most multiplayer games not just this one. Some have suggested an short period of time where the respawning player is invincible. That might work but personally I would like to see is maybe some more creative mechanics. I was thinking maybe we could use the cursed cannonballs. Specifically the green ones. Maybe when a player enters the ferry of the damned he or she has the option to turn in one of their cursed cannonballs in their inventory to the ferryman. Once this is done the mast of your ship would glow green. Providing a warning to enemy players on your ship. Then once you spawn back in the mast will let out a huge green explosion and all enemy players on your ship will be affected by whichever curse you turned into the ferry man. Enemy players can avoid the curse by jumping in the water. This should at least provide the respawning player more time to deal with the enemy players. Nothing's more annoying than being spawn killed and in this game it can feel like a neverending loop. Feel free to post any other ideas.
Spawn Killing
spawn killing in a way where people are mistreating others verbally or trying to push them out of the server or the game is a problem that can be remedied by gathering evidence and submitting reports if that's how a person wants to handle that sort of stuff
as far as people killing each other in the pirate game over and over during gameplay it's not really a problem it's people's individual frustrations that are being used to push larger narratives.
getting spawn killed a lot is no different than getting sunk. One crew/player outplayed another
people will put their spin on this but it's all just emotional spin. One has the skill or the numbers to do it. They won. How long we drag that loss out is up to us but they won when it becomes clear one holds the power to keep control of the vessel forged by skill/numbers/ping/whatever it may be
Imo individuals should handle their own frustrations individually in a positive way and changes shouldn't be made just to cater to people that don't like something that someone else is doing gameplay wise that is within the rules
If anyone could spawn camp anyone it would be an issue but it isn't the case. The more skilled crew or the crew with the numbers that overtook the ship spawn kill the pirates with less skill or less people. As it should be. Skill gets people out of camping and skill keeps people camped
@wolfmanbush I agree with this, although I might have put it a bit less harshly.
It's toxicity that's the issue, not camping in and of itself.
Focusing on getting better is the remedy, I don't get spawn camped because when they try, I just spawn in and destroy them. Watch ladder and you are fine, and if not, rare did implement the scuttle option. If they are able to spawn camp you, they can easily sink you, so you have the choice just to do it for them.
@stabbybond said in Spawn Killing:
Focusing on getting better is the remedy, I don't get spawn camped because when they try, I just spawn in and destroy them. Watch ladder and you are fine, and if not, rare did implement the scuttle option. If they are able to spawn camp you, they can easily sink you, so you have the choice just to do it for them.
Unless they kill you while you're still black screened while literally standing at the spawn spot camping, that's the greater issue imo. Just being on someone else ship and killing them when they come back and start moving around is a matter of skill. Dying before you can even see anything is bad design.
@danbeardluff You don't take damage if they are sword swiping or shooting your spawn before you come out of the black screen, the sword does force the spawn, but u can still one blunder them. But they can easily just scuttle
He's talking about the original black screen which really only effects xbox one originals.
The black screen isn't by design, its because of hardware issues. Player models loading in before the players screen catches up is a hardware problem. This effects xbox one originals and only REAL way to fix it is to ask Rare to reduce the graphics settings on the xbox ones so that the load in isn't so heavy on the hardware.
Spawn camping is allowed and even encouraged in some games. Spawn camping being against the rules or not is determined by the design of the game.
If there was no scuttle option then I would agree that spawn camping would be an issue. However, scuttling has made spawn camping completely negligible.
You can escape the spawn camp by scuttling.
Spawn camping in this game is not a bad design because NO ONE can be spawn camped against their will. Don't want to be spawn camped? Scuttle, done.
If you get camped by a group and you are dying before you can even pull out a weapon, well then you lost. Accept the L , scuttle your boat and move on. Everytime you decide to go through the door and spawn back in you are making the choice to TRY and fight back. You dying before you get to do anything is a personal problem. Don't like being spawn camped?? Scuttle your boat, simple as that.
The toxicity goes both ways in spawn camps. Some players will cry spawn camp and get vulgar with the insults and guess who the guilty party of the toxicity is, the ones getting camped.
"Git gud scrub" - does not warrant a response of "expletive expletive expletive, I hope you die of cancer, expletive expletive expletive"
"Git Gud Scrub" - Is not toxic. Its trash talking.
Most of the times my crew and I don't even say anything on the mic and all we hear is "We don't have anything" - still say nothing and roll up and start rekting their boat - "See this is why everyone hates this game, because of expletive PvP'ers who ruin the game for everyone. Expletive greifers who live in their moms basement and are virgins. You are a expletive expletive expletive, slurs of every color"
Toxicity goes both ways in spawn camping. The aggressors aren't innocent but neither are the players getting camped. Sometimes the ones getting camped started it and they get camped because of their attitude.
SIDE NOTE - Biggest solution to spawn camping?? Scuttle your boat and move on. Swallow your pride, ego, vanity and just scuttle your boat. "They win if I scuttle" - They already won. The ONLY reason players don't scuttle is because of how it makes them feel emotionally. They are having a hang up on another crew forcing them into submission.
There is a HUGE misconception with spawn camping. Players think they are doing something against the PvP'ers by repeatedly spawning back in. "They hate it when I spawn back in har har, they want me to scuttle so I won't scuttle ever har har" - This is entirely false.
Its reverse psychology. When they yell scuttle your boat I dare you, they are trying to make you rage so you don't scuttle.
Ladies and Gentlemen, spawn campers FEEEEEEEEEEED off you repeatedly spawning in. The more you spawn back the more they feed off your rage. You want to really stick it to PvP'ers?? Scuttle your boat the second you realize you aren't getting it back. Not to mention since players have been able to buy supplies, every single ship is LOADED with crates and supplies. They are taking your supplies and you are just resupplying their ship.
So the lesson?? Grow up, scuttle your boat, move on and try again.
@xultanis-dragon I guess my age is showing. I started playing on the og xbox one. Haven't had the issue since switching to pc.
This game is putting a conquered ships crew at a disadvantage.
Could easily be solved of course.
Allow to choose a respawn point and have 4 on the Sloop at least.
More on bigger ships of course.You can also switch between them and see where someone stands.
Should they forget to hide-emote of course, which will still allow you to see them of course but not on one glance. ;)But I do not care either way.
@xultanis-dragon no…just no…when someone is standing right infront of where you spawn with a blunderbuss pointing at you…you have no chance period its a one shot…there is no get good…secondily people spawn killing and not sinking your ship is pure toxicity period i can see spawn camping until ship is sunk…but to do it repeatidly while keeping ship afloat is toxic as hell. thirdly, people have to stop hiding behind the scuttle future…your literally telling people to scuttle to avoid dealing with toxic people…that doesnt deal with the toxicity issue lol so in other words you are saying the toxicity is fine because you can scuttle or change servers…seriously? so ignore the problem by dodging? come on
@madfrito99
Fact 1: the scuttle feature was created for these situations exactly.Fact 2: not sinking your ship or keeping it afloat longer could be done for any number of reasons, one of which is simply draining your resources
@madfrito99 oh pardon me… i forgot that i have been with this game and its development since before release and seen why certain features where implemented.
Yes, spawnkill to spawnkill can be against TOS, but if someone starts complaining about it after 5 minutes it absolutely isnt. It is all about intent, if their intent is to force you out of the game it is against TOS. If it is to drain you of resources, loot or use your ship to kill a megalodon or whatever it is perfectly in line with the game.
But i guess you have all the wisdom after starting this game about 4 months ago
@callmebackdraft well im not an idiot lol 9/10 times people spawn skill to spawn skill…then talk trash afterwards
@madfrito99 your 4 months of gaming in this game paints a completely different picture then my 3+ years…
@callmebackdraft i love when people like you bring up how long ive been playing when ive been playing video games over 30 years. im not an idiot
@madfrito99 playing games for over X amount of years doesn’t amount to anything… each game is a game on its own.
Especially sea of thieves, there is no other game like it. If i play JRPG’s for 60 plus years and then start playing fortnite i will have a horrible experience.
I hate BR games but you dont see me complaining to PUBG, Fortnite or whatever that they need to change that core game design feature “because it would attract more players”
Fortnite wants BR players, Sot wants PVPVE players whole different breed
@madfrito99 said in Spawn Killing:
@callmebackdraft well im not an idiot lol 9/10 times people spawn skill to spawn skill…then talk trash afterwards
golf clap You apparently are able to identify someone's intentions based on actions that have a grand variety of reasons to do them. The idea that the majority of people that play the game in an offensive capacity at any point in a PvEvP game is to ruin someone else's enjoyment is such a biased and unrealistic pessimistic perspective, I feel bad for you. The majority of people even when they are spawn camping you are doing so for their own benefit and has literally nothing to do with you personally.
The game has a mechanic to elevate any frustration you might have when losing to people that are on your ship. Simply admit defeat and let your ship sink by scuttling. If people don't flat out tell you why they are doing it, you will have no idea and any claims you do... you believe you can speak about the motivations of others and that is just arrogant and silly.
I personally have spawn camped ships and not once was it pure out of malicious intent. The majority of the time it is simply, because I am solo or do not have the capability to damage your ship, I need the ship to deal with people trying to hunt down my ship or simply because I am sailing your ship to an outpost to sell your stuff while my crew continues on with our own journey and I have even done it to resupply.
In the end, your opponents in a game are not there to ensure you have a good time... they are simply trying to have a good time themselves.
@madfrito99 said in Spawn Killing:
@cotu42 but isnt part of playing a game is to have a good time? got ya there
Don't tell Tarkov players that...
@madfrito99 yes it sure is, but always keep in mind what kind of game your playing… and if the game doesnt fit your bill then move on…
I just dont get these people its like buying a car at a bmw dealer and then complaining its not a volvo
@callmebackdraft this is where your mistaken. in BR games your on a map that shrinks and shrinks as you kill people. thats the core. with sea of thieves your in a open world trying to grind things and turn in loot. that is the core…the pvp aspect is an addition to the core of the game because you dont always deal with pvp unless your in arena…but your always dealing with pve, grinding and turning in loot
@mintharp184509
Being killed in the black screen, is not the definition of spawn camping. Misrepresenting the topic and especially if you read the OP is a faulty counter argument. Giving an advantage that goes far beyond just avoiding or fixing a specific scenario.
Additionally the black screen killing window is mainly caused by the personal hardware of someone. The duration of this load time and window is directly correlated to the read and write speeds of the storage unit the game is installed on.... which the developers cannot upgrade for you.
Now you can ask the developers to try and minimize the chances of an action being taken against you before you gain control of your character, by not rendering in your avatar until you move in any way shape or form... but that is a specific situation you are trying to address and is not the full scale of spawn camping.
@madfrito99 are you now, there are sessions where i dont grind anything…
One of the core game design features is the ever looming threat of other players, they can be friendly they can be hostile.
Another core game design feature is the gathering of loot.
Also just an fyi, arena was introduced over a year after release and has also been cut from any further development. No more changes to that game mode.
Its funny to me that you find it oh so easy to say to people “you are mistaking”
But in the end your are the one that is twisting words from other people to fit your narrative, i make comparisons and you try to put a different context to them, like the one with fortnite
@callmebackdraft we agree to disagree i suppose…but atleast i can admit there are issues with this game that need to be addressed i.e…need for private servers because of toxicity, spawn killing, combat being terrible, etc. unlike you i want to make this game better unlike people like you that sit there and just say nothing is wrong with the game. dont change anything. its the core of the game. get good. just scuttle. admit defeat, etc
@madfrito99 said in Spawn Killing:
@callmebackdraft we agree to disagree i suppose…but atleast i can admit there are issues with this game that need to be addressed i.e…
The thing is i take into regard what the game is designed to be, and the points you are making below show that you are not
need for private servers because of toxicity,
Like stated to you on multiple occasions by multiple people, the devs have been clear about this. not going to happen, not on release, not yesterday, today or tomorrow or even next year. There has been multple sources already provided to you about this. If you want to keep beating that dead horse you should keep expecting the same responses.
As someone much smarter then any single one of us said at some point in time:
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Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.her features have been tested but have been deemed unfit for the game up until this point
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spawn killing
The scuttle feature was actually created for this and other features have been tested, however nothing else so far has been deem fitting for the game by players and devs alike, maybe something will be added in the future but as of yet no good new ideas for this issue has arisen
combat being terrible
HitReg is terrible i agree, but otherwise the combat is pretty good
etc. unlike you i want to make this game better unlike people like you that sit there and just say nothing is wrong with the game. dont change anything. its the core of the game. get good. just scuttle. admit defeat, etc
Never have you heard me say that there is nothing wrong with the game, it has its flaws these just arent the things that are wrong with it
@madfrito99 said in Spawn Killing:
but atleast i can admit there are issues with this game that need to be addressed i.e…need for private servers because of toxicity, spawn killing, combat being terrible, etc. unlike you i want to make this game better unlike people like you that sit there and just say nothing is wrong with the game. dont change anything. its the core of the game. get good. just scuttle. admit defeat, etc
You want the game to cater to your preferences and you use a lot of exaggerations and manipulative wording to try to get what you want. That's not an adherence to betterment of the game environment that's just you wanting what you want.
@stkel0904 plz stop making posts about this it’s annoying and there is no feasible way to stop spawn camping, no offense but this is one of the worst ideas i’ve seen
@mintharp184509
the game tells it all:
Tired of finding yourself on here due to other pirates? Then summon the Ferryman! Call him by choosing 'Scuttle' your ship from the 'My Crew' ledger options. Your ship will meet a watery grave and he'll return it to you in safer waters.
this is the litteral text from the not on the ferry right next to the door
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