Twitch Drops need improvements & should be added for purchase in game after an exclusivity window

  • Twitch Drops are far and away my least favorite thing about Sea of Thieves. Don't get me wrong, it's great getting free exclusives or pirate emporium emotes without paying, but it's executed so poorly it's just baffling sometimes.

    To start, we SHOULD NOT have to consume/follow outside media to get access to in-game items. This is just garbage.

    It might be acceptable if Rare was still regularly adding normal-priced cosmetics to the in-game stores, but they completely given up on that front. The last few years it's been all over-priced recolors of past sets, costumes (making our pirates all look exactly the same -- so much for the randomly generated character selection to create a sense of uniqueness ), and the best new sets go directly to the premium real-money pirate emporium. No interesting new cosmetics are ever added to the in-game stores anymore. Maybe Rare is just lazy about testing new cosmetics for conflicts with past cosmetics but everything they add seems to require continuous grinding or spending money at the emporium.

    It would be another thing if Rare, ever, anywhere in the game itself, announce that Twitch Drops were coming up or currently happening, but they don't. It would be so easy to just put the twitch drop information right on the main page in the What's New section in-game, but they don't. Thing is, Twitch Drops are essentially a racket just to boost their streaming numbers and make the game seem more popular (guess it's working as Sea of Thieves seems way more popular now than it was at the start, though I'm judging mostly on LFG posts recently vs early days), it's kind of dumb that they don't announce Twitch Drops in-game at the home screen or what's new section.

    As it stands we're expected to regularly check Sea of Thieves social media channels to see whether there's drops available, and when they are the window is incredibly short considering Twitch Drops items disappear for years at a time and we have no way to complete sets if we missed a day due to work, or sickness, or taking care of family. Life happens, etc. and most people prioritize what they have to to get by. Video game cosmetics don't mean anything in the long run, yada yada. That doesn't make the 24 hour window any less frustrating though. The time windows for twitch drops should be at least 3-5 days.

    It's not like there's daily twitch drops anyways, there's maybe 5 announced items in 5 days and then a gap of time till the next batch. Why not just spread out so there's constantly a twitch drop item that updates every few days. Hell, if Rare actually cared, they could show a roadmap of all the upcoming twitch drop items in a set (not just 5 or so) and what date ranges each item would be available for.

    Most importantly, all Twitch Drop cosmetics should always be added to the in-game stores after an exclusivity window. This is the most important change. Rare needs to stop punishing their player base for not obsessively following Sea of Thieve's Social Media. Yes, most gamers like having something exclusives that other's don't, but when the achievement or accomplishment is just logging to a completely separate website and clicking a link it's just idiotic to make it exclusive. Getting 240 wins in am insufferably broken Arena mode is an accomplishment I will never waste my time on, but the players that grinded that out deserve the exclusive Pirate Legends weapons; Clicking a link and watching 20 minutes of video doesn't deserve an award that cannot be acquired anywhere in game for an undetermined/infinite amount of time.

    All Rare needs to do is add the Twitch Drops items to the stores 6 months later or so. Give the players who watched the stream the item immediately and for free. Give them a 6 month window where players might ask them where they got that item and they can feel superior about their exclusives. Then add the items and make them purchasable in the stores, so you're not excluding the majority of players from quality cosmetics that are randomly and arbitrary released in no discernible order. Twitch drops are not an accomplishment. They are not an achievement. Until they are announced somewhere on the in-game home screen, they are not deserving of the exclusivity (get it now or else we probably won't offer it again for 2 years) they currently have.

    Twitch Drops need to be fixed so the majority of payers might actually have a chance at earning interesting cosmetics, since Rare has clearly shown they aren't interested in adding in anything quality to the base game except expensive recolors or over-priced emporium sets.

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  • That wouldn’t be very exclusive

  • It’s the literal point of twitch drops to bring new eyes to streamers. When twitch drops are active streamers’ viewers jump to up to 5x their normal views. I mod for a parter and his viewership went from 300 to 1,500 just due to drops.

    Adding it for purchase just defeats their point.

    All partner also make videos about when the next drops are coming around a week before their release. You can follow Synicall, Falcore, Phuzzybond and these are just the ones I know. Join the Sea of Thieves discord and they announce all the drops in the announcements section

  • To start, we SHOULD NOT have to consume/follow outside media to get access to in-game items. This is just garbage.

    I agree wholeheartedly with this. A game, if it is good enough, should be able to stand on its own merit of quality and entertainment, not from outside sourcing and marketing deals to keep it afloat.

  • @galactic-geek said in Twitch Drops need improvements & should be added for purchase in game after an exclusivity window:

    To start, we SHOULD NOT have to consume/follow outside media to get access to in-game items. This is just garbage.

    I agree wholeheartedly with this. A game, if it is good enough, should be able to stand on its own merit of quality and entertainment, not from outside sourcing and marketing deals to keep it afloat.

    Not when it's a live service however that constantly requires new players in order to keep that service running.
    We're three years into the game now and the initial burst of players from that, then Steam release and now Pirates Life have worn off.

    Twitch Drops will tease those new players to just keep going and see some of the partner content.

  • Completely agree that twitch drops need improvement.

    This can fall into two categories:

    • As OP suggested, allow them for purchase sometime after (months, even a full year). However, I personally believe that they should only be available for a marginal fee of ancient coins. Something like 50 ancient coins per player cosmetic / emote, and 100 coins per ship piece. Rare has a financial incentive for putting the drops on twitch to begin with (i.e. driving sales), and so I think it is fair that they charge for these. If you are only missing a piece or two, this is a very small price to pay for something that is "exclusive." I put exclusive in quotes because I find the argument that they shouldn't be offered again because "too bad you missed out" to be ludicrous and childish. I do think it shouldn't be for free because people who watched did pay with their time, but the price they paid is nowhere enough to justify stonewalling Rare from making additional revenue by offering these again. Threads like these are simply communicating there is a market for prior drops. Charging from them also maintains some exclusivity versus making them available for coins, so I think it is a fair compromise.

    • Increase the frequency of availability / cycle in some old sets, or create a "coupon" system, so players can watch a stream, earn a credit for the store, and buy the pieces they need without cost from the store. This is effectively just a do-over, but with the added benefit that you can watch and select the pieces you want vs. needing to watch twitch only on a particular day.

    There are plenty of cosmetics in the game either way, that it isn't a big deal if they do decide to offer these again or not.
    But, I hope Rare knows that people would be willing to pay money for these so long as it is reasonable, so there is probably tens of thousands of dollars of potential revenue.

    My fear is that the way that Rare and Twitch make deals forbids offering these cosmetics again. Would be great for Rare to confirm. Twitch also has a vested interest in making sure things offered through their platform aren't undercut later by being offered for free or on other streaming platforms (so they can retain streamers & keep people watching on their site exclusively), and so there might be more complexity to this than Rare just holding out.

  • I think Twitch Drops are fine, if a tad too frequent.

    You should always be following some form of medium around the games you play on a very regular basis. There may be emergency posts you need to read that they just don't have time to push to the game. In this particular case, that would be the Sea of Thieves Discord or Twitter where they always announce drops. I wouldn't want those always announced in-game anyway. When I'm playing a game, I want to be concerned with what is to do in the game, not outside of it.

    As for the drops themselves; they bring in new players and viewers to Twitch Streamers. I understand people don't particularly care about them but it does good for the community.

  • @moonmonster11

    Twitch Drops, exclusives, time limited, etc… whatever it is when cosmetics sometimes show up then never come back or rarely come back, it’s all fine. It’s a practice that exists in online games everywhere. There are shiny exclusives that some people will have and others will not and that’s okay. Everyone doesn’t have to have everything and exclusives are a fun nuance within online game communities that offer a sense of pride and uniqueness for those who get to own the items.

    What I personally find problematic with their Twitch Drops is that they do one-day only for each piece in a given drop period. I find that to be unreasonably strict and I wish they would just do the weekend drop period where the entire assortment for the weekend can be earned in a single drop reward on any given day of the specified drop period.

  • @galactic-geek said in Twitch Drops need improvements & should be added for purchase in game after an exclusivity window:

    To start, we SHOULD NOT have to consume/follow outside media to get access to in-game items. This is just garbage.

    I agree wholeheartedly with this. A game, if it is good enough, should be able to stand on its own merit of quality and entertainment, not from outside sourcing and marketing deals to keep it afloat.

    Twitch drops and outside media is a form advertising for the game. Much like buying a slot on TV, this is the way to bring attention to your product.

    as for the OP, I think they are fine being exclusive, I agree with @chronodusk that the period could be better defined, but I like that they seldomly repeat. The Onyx Flintlock is a great example, people were excited it dropped again, its been 3 years.

  • Most importantly, all Twitch Drop cosmetics should always be added to the in-game stores after an exclusivity window.

    This is basically my only complaint with drops. Apparently I'll never be able to get the Ancestral cannons because I missed that day, nor will I ever get the Gilded Phoenix figurehead.

    I understand and like that there are time-limited cosmetics, but they're usually tied to in-game activities... not playing a random (and likely muted) stream in the background.

    It's really bad for the Frozen Horizon set as well—we can currently purchase the ship, pets, and weapons (and a mug, lol), but the clothing is forever locked behind never returning twitch drops, yikes.

  • @captain-coel I understand the advertising aspect. I just don't think a portion of the game should be excluded because of said advertising.

  • @galactic-geek its a great method to drive outside traffic, and since they are only cosmetics it doesn't change the game. Im just a fan of time limited and exclusive sets.

  • @captain-coel said in Twitch Drops need improvements & should be added for purchase in game after an exclusivity window:

    @galactic-geek its a great method to drive outside traffic, and since they are only cosmetics it doesn't change the game. Im just a fan of time limited and exclusive sets.

    But a lot of those cosmetics are tied to pieces you earn in-game. If it was whole sets outside of the game with whole other sets inside the game, I might be okay with that, but it isn't. It's partial sets that most will likely never be completed by many a pirate as a result of their inconsistent advertising practices - and they've been doing it from the very beginning, starting with the Black Sea Dog set, which can't even be named consistently (Bblack Sea Dog, Obsidian, Onyx, Midnight, Ebony - really Rare!?).

    They're asking long-time pirates to dedicate time away from the game to falsify their numbers! And those they really in get the cosmetic, only to be told that "oops, the other piece to that set was released last month in a separate promotion, so you'll never complete it! It's a despicable, evil, and desperate practice... 👿

    ...that, sadly, works.

  • @galactic-geekwhat twitch drops have dropped parts of sets available in game? black dog and all its other names was the OG promotional set. It wasn't until the one xmas promotion that any of it was available in game.

    Gilded Phoenix has sails tied to an in-game commendation for streaming the game.

    I'm a fan of dropped cosmetics via all sorts of methods; twitch drops, giveaways, outside promotions like cookies(yummmm). I also like there being exclusivity to them.

  • I guess you’re not a fan of them but I’ve been really enjoying the recolors added to the stores every month. Would I like new models every few months as well? Of course! But the rate of cosmetics we’ve been getting so far is so much higher than any previous year of Sea of Thieves.

    It’s also been nice to mix and match sets with similar colors from different sets. And for some people it’s a way to get their favorite models that they might of missed out on in the past. For instance the Silent Barnacle set. It’s locked behind a harder commendation sure but it’s permanently in the game. I’ve seen a bunch of people overjoyed when that hit the shops.

    So to recap: you may not like these recolors but they add a lot of content and opportunities for people in the game. While tons of completely new sets would be cool it’s just not feasible at this moment in time.

  • @galactic-geek that’s quite the conspiracy theory route you’re going on here. Companies don’t always have to have some nefarious reason to do promotional stuff.

    I think the main reason they do twitch drops is for some of the smaller SoT streamers. I’ve found a couple really cool streamers because of the drops and I’m sure I’m not the only one. They also had a twitch drop recently where everyone streaming SoT could drop them. And I think that was a bit hit and would expect to see more of that in the future.

    And most sets twitch drop sets are purely promotional sets. Ancestral was twitch drops, Frozen Horizon is only twitch drops and PE, Obsidian has been limited timed challenges, promotional and twitch drops. You could try to make a case for the Gilded Phoenix but it’s technically getting it’s own sail in August so it’s a weak case. You can not like them fine (I myself missed out on some cool cosmetics) but it’s not an evil practice.

    I would like to see the time frame to get a cosmetic increased another day at least. So if someone misses a single 24 hour period they’re not completely screwed.

  • Release the old drops, Rare! Release them!

  • Add the past Twitch Drops into the game to buy, Rare!

  • I think putting Twitch Drops in the What's New and Events Category in game would be good, with no downsides. It means streamers get more viewers and players get more items.

    I believe they are currently working on a Twitch Drop Schedule of having a set of drops per month, per season. As such I don't think it would be a bad idea to put the Twitch drops from the previous Season back in the game every other Season. So Season 1 Twitch Drops are put in at the start of Season 3, Season 2 Twitch Drops are put in at the start of Season 4. That way they remain exclusive for a good 3-6 months. And probably would also benefit from making the Twitch drops expensive ingame or locked behind some difficult Cosmetics.

    Hot Take but stuff shouldn't be exclusive just for the sake of being Exclusive. Fomo might be a good marketing strategy but it can create some arguments between what different players want, as well as some superiority complexes in players. They have it, you don't, and they'll make sure you know that they're better than you for it. I like how some of the recent Live events have done it, After the Live event, the items are in the store but are put under difficult commendations. I'm perfectly fine with Titles for them Staying Limited, those are really cool and hard to get, and aren't the end of the world to miss like some of the other stuff.

    Vault Raider Live Event items now require you to have opened 100 vaults, that's pretty difficult, meaning that while the items aren't exclusive, they're very hard to obtain, and as such its definitely a good idea to get them during the event.

    Champion of Souls Live Event Items just require you to buy 250 voyages, while a bit tedious, its nowhere near as time consuming as opening 100 vaults, and 200 coins per voyage at max level means only 50k and maybe a few hours to get that done, and it can just be done without leaving the outpost.

    Reapers vs the World requires you to steal 5 Grade 5 Flags of the respective company. While I don't necessarily dislike this, I think selling 25 of any grade flag would've been nicer, as it forces you to fight more people.

    I also don't think those live event items should be unlocked immediately after the event ends, but rather the Live event Items should unlock the same way I suggested Twitch Drops do, they unlock on the Season that's two ahead of it.

  • @moonmonster11 this is a very old thread, please stop reviving it and create a new one.

  • oh i didn't even notice its an old thread, it just shows most recently commented on threads so i assumed it was new :p

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