Please just make loot drift back towards safe waters. I have now lost 4 fort of fortune steals to red sea running. it is literally un-counterable. If it weren't for the pirates life dlc, I would have just uninstalled the game 5 minutes ago. PLEASE rare, do something about exploiting the red sea.
Also, for context i am not referring to shroudbreaker tall tale plays. I am talking about "if i cant have it, NOBODY can!" style of play.
@lapizcata said in Red sea running.:
Please just make loot drift back towards safe waters. I have now lost 4 fort of fortune steals to red sea running. it is literally un-counterable. If it weren't for the pirates life dlc, I would have just uninstalled the game 5 minutes ago. PLEASE rare, do something about exploiting the red sea.
Also, for context i am not referring to shroudbreaker tall tale plays. I am talking about "if i cant have it, NOBODY can!" style of play.
it's vaild as a play as a keg play or a rowboat play
@closinghare208 i'm referring to a crew that just ran into the red sea, bucketed to the instant sink line and messaged me " have fun" with a bunch of emoji.
@lapizcata That's a Pirate's prerogative. :) You can always follow them in. At least then you may have a small chance of getting some of the loot back.
Everyone can play their own way, and if they choose to head in to the red then that's up to them I'm afraid. I've done it on the odd occasion, depends on the ship that's following and the encounter I've had previously with them.
@lizalaroo said in Red sea running.:
@lapizcata That's a Pirate's prerogative. :) You can always follow them in. At least then you may have a small chance of getting some of the loot back.
Everyone can play their own way, and if they choose to head in to the red then that's up to them I'm afraid. I've done it on the odd occasion, depends on the ship that's following and the encounter I've had previously with them.
i understand, but it just makes me not want to play the game every time i outsmart someone, or outplay them at a FoF they consistently red sea run :(
@lapizcata Aye, very frustrating, but so is the brig/gally that's been hounding me for like forever :D
@lizalaroo said in Red sea running.:
@lapizcata That's a Pirate's prerogative. :) You can always follow them in. At least then you may have a small chance of getting some of the loot back.
Everyone can play their own way, and if they choose to head in to the red then that's up to them I'm afraid. I've done it on the odd occasion, depends on the ship that's following and the encounter I've had previously with them.
I expect better from a Deckhand than spreading inaccurate information about the games mechanics. Defend the tactic all you want, but it is forcefully de-spawning loot without any means to retrieve it if executed properly. You cannot follow someone into the red sea, your ship will sink the loot is unobtainable. If you try to get it and they did it properly you will be black screened and reset each time. Those are the mechanics in place.
As I have stated previously in the other thread about this, it is bad sportsmanship. The sole intent is to cause a negative response in your opponent, there is no self gain, there is no benefit other than knowingly denying others the enjoyment of stealing loot.
@lizalaroo said in Red sea running.:
@lapizcata Aye, very frustrating, but so is the brig/gally that's been hounding me for like forever :D
I was a sloop chasing a sloop D:
@cotu42 It is that exactly, a tactic. And how am I spreading inaccurate information? I shouldn't be suggesting it because I am a Deckhand? @Musicmee and I have extensively tested time in the red sea over the years (especially towards shores of gold to see how far we could go and how long we would last). We've used rowboats, the ship and even swam. We've been chased in to the red sea and we've done the chasing.
I'm not saying you'd be successful every time, and never if they sail to the edge of course, but if you've followed someone across the map to get loot back, wouldn't you head in and try?
@lapizcata I get that running into the red sea is a 'way to play.' However I am with you on this.
There is no Honor in the Red Sea.
@lizalaroo
I have tried, even with a rowboat with a harpoon followed someone that done this, the game literally made it physically impossible to retrieve. Literally nudged one stroke, shoot harpoon and was not able to get in range till I got black screened by simply grabbing the harpoon. Swim... black screen. Shoot over with cannon... black screen.
If done properly it isn't simply harder to get it is impossible.
Can you do it sure... but it is an act of bad sportsmanship. The sole intent of the action is to negatively impact your opponent at any cost.
@cotu42 said in Red sea running.:
As I have stated previously in the other thread about this, it is bad sportsmanship. The sole intent is to cause a negative response in your opponent, there is no self gain, there is no benefit other than knowingly denying others the enjoyment of stealing loot.
Bad sportsmanship, hmmm, works both ways, chasing someone across the map for hours on end causes a negative response from those being chased, denying them the enjoyment of handing in their loot.
@cotu42 Yeah, I'm going to say the entire premise of good sportsmanship falls way off, when the same people whining about being denied loot are usually the ones spawn camping a noob sloop until they leave the server.
All is fair on the waves, and if you lose, you lose. Get over it, or don't, your choice. Rare isn't going to make it easier for PvP players to get loot, just because they're mad that some people ran into the red.
@lizalaroo said in Red sea running.:
@cotu42 said in Red sea running.:
As I have stated previously in the other thread about this, it is bad sportsmanship. The sole intent is to cause a negative response in your opponent, there is no self gain, there is no benefit other than knowingly denying others the enjoyment of stealing loot.
Bad sportsmanship, hmmm, works both ways, chasing someone across the map for hours on end causes a negative response from those being chased, denying them the enjoyment of handing in their loot.
Where is the sole intent in causing a negative response when one chases another ship with loot? Isn't their intention to get their hands on the loot and acquire it for themselves?
Good sportsmanship can cause a negative experience, but there needs to be a will to win. It cannot simply be about the negativity inflicted upon other people.
@lapizcata said in Red sea running.:
@lizalaroo said in Red sea running.:
@lapizcata That's a Pirate's prerogative. :) You can always follow them in. At least then you may have a small chance of getting some of the loot back.
Everyone can play their own way, and if they choose to head in to the red then that's up to them I'm afraid. I've done it on the odd occasion, depends on the ship that's following and the encounter I've had previously with them.
i understand, but it just makes me not want to play the game every time i outsmart someone, or outplay them at a FoF they consistently red sea run :(
I could be wrong, but if you didn't end up with any loot, I'm not sure you outplayed anyone
@cotu42 said in Red sea running.:
@lizalaroo said in Red sea running.:
@cotu42 said in Red sea running.:
As I have stated previously in the other thread about this, it is bad sportsmanship. The sole intent is to cause a negative response in your opponent, there is no self gain, there is no benefit other than knowingly denying others the enjoyment of stealing loot.
Bad sportsmanship, hmmm, works both ways, chasing someone across the map for hours on end causes a negative response from those being chased, denying them the enjoyment of handing in their loot.
Where is the sole intent in causing a negative response when one chases another ship with loot? Isn't their intention to get their hands on the loot and acquire it for themselves?
Good sportsmanship can cause a negative experience, but there needs to be a will to win. It cannot simply be about the negativity inflicted upon other people.
In this 'situational' world you have built for yourself, where no one does what you do not want them to do, the people who you do not want running into the red sea, because they do not want you to steal their treasure, would never be getting chased at all because if they didnt want someone chasing them or stealing their loot, they would have no reason to run.... SAVVY??
One act of bad sportsmanship doesn't make a different one all of a sudden not a bad act of sportsmanship. According to the code of conduct, we are supposed to be good sports.
Losing isn't always fun, but if you have no intention to win or solely are trying to make people rage quit... it is bad sportsmanship. Regardless if you are the attacker or defender.
If you want to be a bad sport, be a bad sport. I am not going to stop you, but don't try and classify it as something else.
@cotu42 I didn't say it did. I just find the irony that people who most certainly and regularly act in unsportsmanlike behavior are whining about being on the receiving end of unsportsmanlike behavior to be absolutely hilarious.
Again, all of it is okay, or none of it is.
@dr-orchamedes Aye! and as I've said it's not something I do very often. Usually when I've had a hard day, just want a relaxing sail with no one bothering me, then out of the nearest outpost steams a ship intent on taking me booty. Might tempt me to just dump it all in the red. Other days we'd just turn and fight.
@lapizcata sagte in Red sea running.:
I have now lost 4 fort of fortune steals to red sea running. it is literally un-counterable.
It actually is. The stuff is called kill them before they can run and
a) sink either their ship and kill their backspawns, or
b) take the stuff you want and make your departure on a nearby rowboat
Not all Thievery must come with the complete annihilation of the target Crew.
@the-zackdaddy it's a matter of perspective.
As an example, a sweaty reaper galleon could chase someone who doesn't want to pvp for hours on end, and that person wants to get back at them for wasting their time. They may have lost the loot, but they denied the sweaty reaper galleon from getting anything, and in the perspective of those who had their time wasted, denying the chasers loot is a win, even if they didn't physically win anything.
@dr-orchamedes I really hate when people use that comparison.
If it's my ball, why should I share it? This isn't sea of communism.
@valor-omega said in Red sea running.:
@cotu42 I didn't say it did. I just find the irony that people who most certainly and regularly act in unsportsmanlike behavior are whining about being on the receiving end of unsportsmanlike behavior to be absolutely hilarious.
Again, all of it is okay, or none of it is.
Euhm.. have any proof I act in an unsportsmanlike behavior? Because you are addressing me, therefore are you calling me out on my actions?
I have never seen you on the seas, I never go out of my way to cause as much harm as possible to my opponents. My actions are always with the intent to help out my crew, to secure loot or establish a safe environment for us to conduct our business in peace. I strike truces with those that know how to negotiate, I spare those I find out are brand new to the game and I usually leave those on a tall tale alone.
Ever consider the fact that not everyone that has these tactics used against them aren't deserving of that treatment on both ends.
@valor-omega If you are referring to getting 'outplayed' Im pretty sure whoever comes to the forums to complain about losing potential loot, is the one getting outplayed. Which was the point.
@valor-omega said in Red sea running.:
@dr-orchamedes I really hate when people use that comparison.
If it's my ball, why should I share it? This isn't sea of communism.
Is the loot yours if you haven't sold it? As far as I am aware, the loot is nobodies and everyone's until it is sold. You need to share it, because it is communal goods until you actually cashed it in.
@lizalaroo said in Red sea running.:
@cotu42 said in Red sea running.:
As I have stated previously in the other thread about this, it is bad sportsmanship. The sole intent is to cause a negative response in your opponent, there is no self gain, there is no benefit other than knowingly denying others the enjoyment of stealing loot.
Bad sportsmanship, hmmm, works both ways, chasing someone across the map for hours on end causes a negative response from those being chased, denying them the enjoyment of handing in their loot.
Neither in OP or @cotu42 posts is a long chase of hours mentioned; are you saying that in some cases the Red Sea tactic can be considered bad spotmanship (from Fort to the closest border of the map) and in other cases (a chase of 2+ hours ) it's just what the chasers had coming / they had plenty of opportunity to end the chase?
@lem0n-curry Thank you, because I never chase for hours on end... I simply have better things to do.
May I add; if you can run for hours on end, you can easily have sold it all with drive by selling. Though it might be frustrating for the one's chasing, a negative experience... you tried to win and succeeded. An act of good sportsmanship.
@valor-omega said in Red sea running.:
@dr-orchamedes I really hate when people use that comparison.
If it's my ball, why should I share it? This isn't sea of communism.
hahaha!
Taking your ball and going into the Red sea is childish and there is no honor in it. Turn and Fight! Fight even though you may be outnumbered. But by god maybe take a few with you!
Aye its your ball, aye its not sea of communism. Aye, the Red sea is a *heavy sigh 'play.' So by all means absolutely do it if it fits your needs. Just know everytime its done, those who do are cursed as a scurvy coward.
There is no honor in the Red Sea.
@the-zackdaddy it is not about what I want, they have alternative actions they can take which will still result in me losing and trust me it isn't that I want to lose. Yet they can sink me for my treasure or do drive by sells while fleeing to deny me the treasure... none of those actions result in something I want.
The question is not about me, it is about what is their goal? Is their goal to try and win or is it their goal to gloat over someone else's loss? Good sportsmanship versus bad sportsmanship.
@cotu42 I believe in this instance their goal is to deny you the pleasure of stealing their Shinies, just as your goal of stealing their Shinies would deny them the pleasure of selling said Shinies.
@cotu42 Obviously not in this context. By that logic, neither is the ball the other crew's. That's exactly why I detest that argument. I don't agree with that last part, either. No one needs to do anything in this game, aside from being kind and not toxic. No one is obligated to surrender the loot aboard their ship at any point, regardless of whether or not the other crew thinks they deserve it.
@dr-orchamedes There's no honor in spawn camping new players either, yet people do it on a regular basis, and that's viewed as fine by most of the community.
Call it what you like, if it makes you feel better. No one is obligated to play the way you deem fit or right. It's a pirate sandbox game, you should expect nefarious deeds.
Who is talking about surrendering? Who is stating they deserve to get it? You can claim it as your own by cashing it in, at that point you take it out of play as well, but at that point it is yours. If they get it, you have all the rights to come back and try to take it back until someone sold it. That is the whole point... why should you be allowed to remove it from play?
May I point out the alternatives that are all good sportsmanship:
Nowhere am I stating that one should just lay down their arms and anchor the ship and hand it over. I am stating that the intentions behind your actions should not be solely about inflicting a negative emotion on others, so you can gloat over the fact you denied others the ability to have a good time.
You talk about being kind to each other... if you are going out of your way to inflict as much damage you can to the other party even at the cost of your own ship and any opportunity of cashing in yourself? Are you being kind or a good sport? Who is being the hypocrite here?
