There needs to be a system in place to monitor a player's DPI if Rare wants to ban players for DPI Switching. (Sensitivity Issues and underwater combat)

  • Is it against the rules to swing my mouse around while underwater to dodge bullets even though I use a constant DPI?

    I saw in a previous ticket that I had received a 72 hr ban for "DPI switching" and I do not use any switch for my DPI setting. This accusation is blatantly false.

    I will admit that I developed a strategy of swinging my mouse around while underwater to avoid bullets hitting me but I was told this is OK as long as I am not using buttons or macros to switch between DPIs. If this behavior (stated as the first line of this thread) is not acceptable, I deserve my previous ban but ask that this position be made clear by Rare and this be elevated as a higher issue with the game and for this to be added to the appropriate Known Issues channels about sensitivity settings in general for underwater combat.
    Don't ban me for DPI switching when in reality I just have a high sensitivity. Ban me for having a high sensitivity and looking around quickly underwater to make it harder for enemies to shoot me.

    I have never played with any ability to change DPI on the fly. I also use a large playing-card style mousepad which gives me a lot of room to move my mouse around. I feel as though this is something that anyone with higher sensitivities is able to learn and do. I thought of this as a strategy, similar in vein to sword lunging for example. I apologize if this behavior is considered exploiting, I was simply trying to be a better Pvp Player by learning from others. I am simply unaware of this topic which is why I am writing this letter to learn more about this subject and perhaps bring attention to this subject since most people do not understand. (I had previously sent this as a Support ticket but was told to post it here too)

    I had run into this so much in the game, I had considered it a strategy in PvP. In hindsight, this is my mistake considering how closely this can resemble switching of DPI. If Rare does not have the ability to monitor DPI settings while a player is playing the game, why can they make assumptions that people are Switching their DPIs based on "video evidence"? If Rare cannot implement the monitoring of a user's DPI settings while they are playing, they should change their ban reasoning to something else because I know for a fact my DPI has been constant since the day I first plugged in this mouse.

    I use a constant 800 dpi with a mouse sensitivity of 3.0 and all my weapon sensitivities set to 10.0
    If you don't believe me, use the above settings and go underwater and move your mouse around your mousepad while having a teammate spectate you. No DPI switching is needed but you still get the same effect of making it harder for enemies to hit you (also makes it harder for you to hit them since you essentially disorient yourself). I can also record a video in real time of my mouse/keyboard/monitor while I'm underwater performing this trick if someone wants to help capture from the third person pov what my character looks like.

    In summary;
    Why should players be punished for "DPI switching" if in reality, they are just moving their mouse around quickly while underwater with a constant DPI and Mouse Sensitivity?
    More importantly, if this strategy shouldn't be used, why isn't it posted as a known issue or an exploit that should be avoided in the appropriate Known Issues channels?

    I think there should be a response to clarify Rare's position on this behavior/strategy and it should be added as an issue and there shouldn't be assumptions that everyone performing this strategy is changing their DPI. From this point forward, am I supposed to stand still and avoid moving my mouse when underwater at the fear that someone will assume I'm changing my DPI and send a clip to rare? Do I need to permanently set my sensitivity lower to avoid future accusations of DPI switching?

    I appreciate the response on the previous ticket and I'm looking forward to having this clarified by the experts and looking for any feedback this thread serves to offer.
    Thanks for your time.

    -A yellowbeard'ed constant 800DPI
    Swankyllama

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  • Please don’t mistake trash tactics like this as being good at PvP. There is no skill in having a seizure with your mouse hand. Also anyone who has to resort to animation glitches or cancelling to win a fight isn’t really better IMO.

    It is also my opinion that Rare should make character animations that move faster than “X” (the point at which the crazy stutter happens) should just be static. No idea what it would take but it would certainly correct this garbage and would fall out of use.

    To respond to what you asked you should do, eat if you get hit don’t wait, swim left and right, up and down, at angles. Swiveling extremely fast in place is just stupid and only works because of the animation glitch.

  • You know what you're doing is pushing it
    we know what you're doing is pushing it

    just dodge like the rest of us and avoid suspensions easily lol

  • @kommodoreyenser
    With my sensitivity, doing as you stated in your last sentence: "swim left and right, up and down, at angles" can make my character look like he's animation glitching.

  • @wolfmanbush
    so you agree that it is against the rules to swing my mouse around while underwater to dodge bullets even though I'm using a constant DPI?

    Then why should I be banned for DPI Switching if I never switched my DPI? Shouldn't I be banned for something else?

  • @swankyllama9484 said in There needs to be a system in place to monitor a player's DPI if Rare wants to ban players for DPI Switching. (Sensitivity Issues and underwater combat):

    @kommodoreyenser
    With my sensitivity, doing as you stated in your last sentence: "swim left and right, up and down, at angles" can make my character look like he's animation glitching.

    There is no way with your claimed 800dpi and 3.0 character sens that you are glitching while moving around in water. I run 800dpi and 6.5 character sens and do not do this.

  • @swankyllama9484 said in There needs to be a system in place to monitor a player's DPI if Rare wants to ban players for DPI Switching. (Sensitivity Issues and underwater combat):

    @wolfmanbush
    so you agree that it is against the rules to swing my mouse around while underwater to dodge bullets even though I'm using a constant DPI?

    Then why should I be banned for DPI Switching if I never switched my DPI? Shouldn't I be banned for something else?

    You're just after some drama after taking a hit

    You know they aren't gonna give you specifics here about your account stuff. You got a slap on the wrist just knock it off before it becomes a bigger issue. You know how to avoid getting suspended in the future.

  • @wolfmanbush I'm not asking for account related specifics. I'm asking for a stance.
    Imagine if I'm naturally a 800 dpi, 10.0 Sens. player, if I played with those IN GAME SETTINGS, should I be banned for an issue that is part of the game but not recognized as an issue in the game?

    At a minimum, I'm asking for Rare to take a stand and put this up as a Known issue.

  • I don't really know what you're on about, but sounds like you're justifying some sketchiness.

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  • @blackbeard-lufy by asking a question?

  • Rare's ban system is one of the worst in the world.... They have been known to ban people because someone else was impersonating them ect... Rare literally make up the rules as they go along and they have a massive problem with good pvpers.... They hate the fact that a new player will never stand a chance against an experienced double gunner...

    People have been banned for being 'toxic' literally because they are good at the same... it is really really sad but what can you expect from people who don't understand the PVP in their own game...

  • @pvekilla420 said in There needs to be a system in place to monitor a player's DPI if Rare wants to ban players for DPI Switching. (Sensitivity Issues and underwater combat):

    Rare's ban system is one of the worst in the world.... They have been known to ban people because someone else was impersonating them ect... Rare literally make up the rules as they go along and they have a massive problem with good pvpers.... They hate the fact that a new player will never stand a chance against an experienced double gunner...

    People have been banned for being 'toxic' literally because they are good at the same... it is really really sad but what can you expect from people who don't understand the PVP in their own game...

    People can always find a individual case to support an exaggerated narrative but I haven't seen this. Granted I don't look for the drama in the game typically but I've gotten all sorts of salty messages from people saying they were gonna report me and nothing happened because I wasn't doing anything in gameplay or behavior that was pushing any lines. I've even had people that got their friends together (that weren't in the game) to message how I'm reported and all that. I'm not a top pvper but that doesn't really matter because conflict is conflict when one side wins and another loses and when one side is reporting.

    I tend to think people just don't want to own up to what they are doing behavior wise and want people to think it was based on gameplay instead

    I find it hard to believe people playing clean have been hit over being good at pvp. They probably were not being very nice and got recorded or threw their mouse in the blender during under water battles like the op

  • @swankyllama9484 I have a DPI button on my mouse for switching from one activity to the next. Should I get banned just for pressing it in game?

  • @grumpyw01f according to the rational for my ban, I would assume yes.

  • @wolfmanbush You are missing the point.
    My question is the first sentence of the thread and nobody has yet to answer it.

    Let me simplify it for you using your own words.

    Is it an exploit to "threw their mouse in the blender during under water battles like the op"

    If it is, why isn't this posted as a known issue that Rare is trying to fix?

  • @swankyllama9484 it is against the rules. Im pretty sure knowingly exploiting would be a violation of the ToS

  • @captain-coel Is it an exploit?

  • @swankyllama9484 yes. Causing your character to glitch out to avoid damage would be an exploit.

    Using low DPI and lots of real-estate is no different than using high DPI and a small amount of space.

  • @captain-coel Then explain to me why I'm banned for "DPI Switching" and not "Exploiting"?

  • @captain-coel said in There needs to be a system in place to monitor a player's DPI if Rare wants to ban players for DPI Switching. (Sensitivity Issues and underwater combat):

    @swankyllama9484 yes. Causing your character to glitch out to avoid damage would be an exploit.

    Using low DPI and lots of real-estate is no different than using high DPI and a small amount of space.

    First of all, its impossible to avoid damage, this trick makes it harder to be hit but you can still be hit. Plus there is the added disadvantage of essentially disorienting oneself.

    Please show me Rare's comments about this topic. How do I know its an exploit to move my mouse while underwater using in-game settings with a constant DPI. If something is broken in the game and I'm "Exploiting" it, why can't they mention this as a broken feature in the game? Do you not want Rare to fix this if it is a true issue?

  • @kommodoreyenser said in There needs to be a system in place to monitor a player's DPI if Rare wants to ban players for DPI Switching. (Sensitivity Issues and underwater combat):

    Please don’t mistake trash tactics like this as being good at PvP. There is no skill in having a seizure with your mouse hand. Also anyone who has to resort to animation glitches or cancelling to win a fight isn’t really better IMO.

    It is also my opinion that Rare should make character animations that move faster than “X” (the point at which the crazy stutter happens) should just be static. No idea what it would take but it would certainly correct this garbage and would fall out of use.

    To respond to what you asked you should do, eat if you get hit don’t wait, swim left and right, up and down, at angles. Swiveling extremely fast in place is just stupid and only works because of the animation glitch.

    If there's animation glitches, wouldn't you want Rare to identify them and fix them? If you could exploit an animation glitch using nothing but the in game settings and simply moving your mouse wouldn't you want them fixed? If you were in my place wouldn't it make more sense to receive a ban for exploiting animation glitching rather than "DPI Switching" You can ridicule my tactics as much as you want but bottom line, we can agree that Rare should identify what is the problem and make steps to fix it rather than banning people for something as simple as moving their mouse around quickly underwater.

  • @swankyllama9484 what you were doing looks exactly like doing switching. Rare can not see you're hardware settings.

    And as to Rare's stance on this, it should be clear you got a 72 hr ban you admitted too. And sure I would love to see this fixed. Im not against them not fixing it. But using a no skill movement exploit to make it harder to get hit is still an exploit.

  • @swankyllama9484 multiple quoting my initial post changes nothing.

    Why not address the fact that you said you use 800dpi and 3.0 character sens and you say this is happening? I know for a fact it cannot as I use 800dpi and 6.5 character sens and it never happens.

    In order for your 10.0 weapon sens to be active, you have to have the weapon in your hands. Not eating, not sprint swimming, not your sword (which uses character sens setting)

  • @kommodoreyenser I'm open to inviting you to a game and having you record what my character looks like, while I record in my P.o.v. with my mouse/keyboard/ and monitor in frame.

    We could use this information to get Rare to fix animation glitches.

  • @swankyllama9484 said in There needs to be a system in place to monitor a player's DPI if Rare wants to ban players for DPI Switching. (Sensitivity Issues and underwater combat):

    @kommodoreyenser I'm open to inviting you to a game and having you record what my character looks like, while I record in my P.o.v. with my mouse/keyboard/ and monitor in frame.

    We could use this information to get Rare to fix animation glitches.

    You have nothing to prove to me. I am not the one handing out bans. That is Rare and Microsoft. Trust me when I say they banned for good reason and be glad it is only temporary so now you are aware of it being an issue.

    Rare only does manual bans after reviewing complaints against you with video/images and chat logs in cases of verbal issues. Check the “how to report a player” section in the support area and you will see they don’t just ban on a whim.

    Rare will ban for knowing use of exploits and you have admitted to using this on purpose. Whether or not the title is correct is irrelevant to the ban reason. Someone caught you on video doing something that Rare find to be an exploit. Start a support ticket if you want to work with them on resolving it. The forum is never a place you will get an answer directly from Rare.

  • @kommodoreyenser I admit to moving my mouse around quickly underwater with a constant DPI but I was banned for DPI Switching. There is a difference.

    If I'm truly exploiting something considered broken, why isn't it a KNOWN ISSUE. My argument is that it should be labeled as a KNOWN ISSUE.
    If you can't see that point, then there is no reason to continue this discussion with you.

  • As we do not permit discussion of disciplinary action on the forums, this topic will now be locked. Additionally, calling out the team and demanding certain actions be taking is also not allowed.

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