Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?

  • With Thursday’s update, the Dark Adventure Ship livery is now for sale in the Athena Fortune shipwrights. This new dark adventure Sails features a V shape at the bottom which allows for more visibly when the sails are fully opened.

    Can we please change all the existing sails to match this new V shape?

    Yes, I’m aware that this would take a long time to develop so I suggest starting with the most popular cosmetics that are equipped. I would hold off on the Pirate Emporium cosmetics for a while as this would create a Pay-To-Win scenario. As it stands now, the Dark Adventure sails create a Play-To-Win scenario where it gives pirate legends with millions of gold an unfair advantage over new players.

    I’m sure Rare didn’t intend this. I’m hoping my suggestion is already in the works. I’m hoping the community like this new shape and it can be implemented on all new and existing sails

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  • @aceflounder6662

    All sails are meant to be unique. I’m not saying change the look of the sails, I’m just saying make a slight V shape on the bottom of each sail

  • No as of now you can not change existing sails into a diffrent shape the v is unique to the dark adventure sails

  • @alertedlime143 said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    No as of now you can not change existing sails into a diffrent shape the v is unique to the dark adventure sails

    I already know it can’t be done as of now. I’m asking Rare to change the existing sails to match the V shape Dark Adventure Sails.

    I feel like this is a lost cause because I don’t seem to have any support on this matter.

  • This raises the question of what is balance in SoT? In most games balance comes from mechanics and features but SoT is flat lined across the bord in mechanics and features. In most games cosmetic advantages are minor but here, thats all there is. Being able to see better than an opposing ship could prove, more advantageous.

  • It's not that crazy they should stay the way they are. The advantage is not that major and so few people are able to afford it it won't be the only thing you see anyway. We wont see some crazy meta shift since you can have more visibility by raising sails a little anyway.

  • @bronzeinquiztor said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    It's not that crazy they should stay the way they are. The advantage is not that major and so few people are able to afford it it won't be the only thing you see anyway. We wont see some crazy meta shift since you can have more visibility by raising sails a little anyway.

    Calling it now, this post will age poorly....

  • @coffeelight5545 said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    Can we please change all the existing sails to match this new V shape?

    I'm very much opposed to this idea. I think the shape is fine for one unique set of sails, but that doesn't mean it should be on all sails. It would really ruin the aesthetics of the game. Whether the new sails are "pay-to-win" or not is a matter of debate. I can see the advantage of visibility, but is it significant enough to be of any real concern? If it is, adjust the Dark Adventure sails to give less of an advantage. If not, we're good to go. No need for change. It would be a shame to change all sails to match one unique set. I like the traditional look of square sails on most ships.

  • It's not pay to win it's play to earn. It's a reward for dedicated players.

    It's like saying I can't afford the ripped sails it's not fair.
    No way shape or form is it pay to win.

    Pay to win is real money.

  • To me "steering" has never meant standing behind the wheel all the time (except in a storm) so I just put up whatever sail I think looks good. Some solo Slooping practice should help you with this, aside from that raising the sail a bit also works although it probably slows you down a bit. Slowing down in battle for more manuverability tends to be a good idea anyway and it's also the time when visibility matters the most, so you know, two for the price of one.

  • These sails are intended to look this way; unique. Keep the uniqueness to these sails only.

  • @coffeelight5545 said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    With Thursday’s update, the Dark Adventure Ship livery is now for sale in the Athena Fortune shipwrights. This new dark adventure Sails features a V shape at the bottom which allows for more visibly when the sails are fully opened.

    Can we please change all the existing sails to match this new V shape?

    Yes, I’m aware that this would take a long time to develop so I suggest starting with the most popular cosmetics that are equipped. I would hold off on the Pirate Emporium cosmetics for a while as this would create a Pay-To-Win scenario. As it stands now, the Dark Adventure sails create a Play-To-Win scenario where it gives pirate legends with millions of gold an unfair advantage over new players.

    I’m sure Rare didn’t intend this. I’m hoping my suggestion is already in the works. I’m hoping the community like this new shape and it can be implemented on all new and existing sails

    Technically, it's not "pay to win" since the only way you can acquire the Dark Adventurer set in-game is to earn it via grinding Athena levels and getting enough gold to buy it. You can't purchase it with Ancient Coins/Real-world cash, ergo it doesn't fit the definition of "pay to win."

  • @blam320

    I said it was Play-To-Win. The reason why is because it cost millions of dollars and many new players can’t obtain it.

    Yes they are just cosmetics but the V shape makes it easier for a solo sloop to flee against the wind because you can see obstacles easier.

    If the Pirate Emporium sells V shape sails that will be Pay-To-Win.

  • @coffeelight5545 what's the issue with play to win. It's a game that's been out for 3 years. You can choose not to buy every cosmetic and will have plenty of money to buy the sails

  • There are a few sails that have better visibility

    people used to always use kraken sails for that reason and most people have access to those early on

  • @ajm123

    I already bought every piece of the Dark Adventure set and still have 1 million in gold left over. I was hoping to get enough support to get Rare to consider to give us more V shape sails

  • @coffeelight5545 First off I do understand your concern. I am not sure how much more viability these sails can give versus sails we have now. Also as pointed out certain sails already have slightly better visibility. I know RARE prides itself on balance and day one pirates having no advantage over new pirates well except for ones own skills so again would need to see how much better view these sails are before giving a certain opinion. However with that said is it really such a big issue? Im not so sure since again havent seen them. I have been sailing for a long time now and the sails dont bother me and I never thought "i need a v shape!". Now if the sails made ones ship go faster or take less damage then I would take issue.

    One thing though Rare can do if this does turn out to a problem would be instead of changing every sail maybe add a V shape sail that is less expensive so those with less have the option.

  • Dark adventurer allows a clear advantage and is clearly pay to win.

    People should be angry about this.

  • @omgitsnegan said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    Dark adventurer allows a clear advantage and is clearly pay to win.

    People should be angry about this.

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    People can get one right out of the gate. There is a difference but it's not much of one that will make much difference in combat or sailing.

    It's a reach when other sails offer better visibility and people rarely complain about that

    I think people are more upset about the price than the perceived advantage in reality.

  • @wolfmanbush check it on a galley or brig.

    Much bigger difference

    Visibility is much more important in the bigger ships

  • @omgitsnegan said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    @wolfmanbush check it on a galley or brig.

    Much bigger difference

    Visibility is much more important in the bigger ships

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    It's one of those borderline cases for me personally. I tend to lean towards acceptable considering there are early access examples of the same type of feature but I think it's a fair concern

    I still think price has a lot to do with some of it

  • @wolfmanbush said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    @omgitsnegan said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    @wolfmanbush check it on a galley or brig.

    Much bigger difference

    Visibility is much more important in the bigger ships

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    It's one of those borderline cases for me personally. I tend to lean towards acceptable considering there are early access examples of the same type of feature but I think it's a fair concern

    I still think price has a lot to do with some of it

    It's not acceptable. Those sails can make the difference between a driver hitting a sandbar during a fight or not.

    This game PRIDES itself on there being no advantage based on levels.

    This kills it as;

    1. It's locked behind legendary pirate status (I am one before you go there)

    2. It's ridiculous price pretty much bars it from casual player acquisition.

  • @omgitsnegan said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    @wolfmanbush said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    @omgitsnegan said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    @wolfmanbush check it on a galley or brig.

    Much bigger difference

    Visibility is much more important in the bigger ships

    alt text

    It's one of those borderline cases for me personally. I tend to lean towards acceptable considering there are early access examples of the same type of feature but I think it's a fair concern

    I still think price has a lot to do with some of it

    It's not acceptable. Those sails can make the difference between a driver hitting a sandbar during a fight or not.

    This game PRIDES itself on there being no advantage based on levels.

    This kills it as;

    1. It's locked behind legendary pirate status (I am one before you go there)

    2. It's ridiculous price pretty much bars it from casual player acquisition.

    I'm usually the absolutist in the thread so I got no issue with what you got going on there. I wish you luck warrior

  • @wolfmanbush said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    @omgitsnegan said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    @wolfmanbush said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    @omgitsnegan said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    @wolfmanbush check it on a galley or brig.

    Much bigger difference

    Visibility is much more important in the bigger ships

    alt text

    It's one of those borderline cases for me personally. I tend to lean towards acceptable considering there are early access examples of the same type of feature but I think it's a fair concern

    I still think price has a lot to do with some of it

    It's not acceptable. Those sails can make the difference between a driver hitting a sandbar during a fight or not.

    This game PRIDES itself on there being no advantage based on levels.

    This kills it as;

    1. It's locked behind legendary pirate status (I am one before you go there)

    2. It's ridiculous price pretty much bars it from casual player acquisition.

    I'm usually the absolutist in the thread so I got no issue with what you got going on there. I wish you luck warrior

    Lol. Well look at this brig comparison

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    The bottom is the most telling. Either all sails should have options, all sails should be available to all or no sails should be different.

  • I know this is a different argument, but this seems akin to the “they shouldn’t charge so much for DA cosmetics, as that only makes it available to dedicated players” and “they shouldn’t time limit sets, I just started playing and want the sails that more tenured players were able to get”. I know you’re not saying either of those things, but people post that often, and this is a similar request in my opinion. If you take the exclusivity out of all of the cosmetics, more dedicated players now have no ability to earn anything special for their troubles.

    I would suggest that the V will only help when you’re at full speed sailing to a new map location, and even then it’s debatable. It’s very seldom you will be at full speed during battle when you’re in close combat, and even more seldom that not having a V in that instance will hinder you. A captain’s curl will solve the problem and will make zero difference in close combat. I appreciate and understand your concern with it in theory, but I think you’re envisioning a bigger problem than actually exists.

  • @saleen8927 said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    I know this is a different argument, but this seems akin to the “they shouldn’t charge so much for DA cosmetics, as that only makes it available to dedicated players” and “they shouldn’t time limit sets, I just started playing and want the sails that more tenured players were able to get”. I know you’re not saying either of those things, but people post that often, and this is a similar request in my opinion. If you take the exclusivity out of all of the cosmetics, more dedicated players now have no ability to earn anything special for their troubles.

    I would suggest that the V will only help when you’re at full speed sailing to a new map location, and even then it’s debatable. It’s very seldom you will be at full speed during battle when you’re in close combat, and even more seldom that not having a V in that instance will hinder you. A captain’s curl will solve the problem and will make zero difference in close combat. I appreciate and understand your concern with it in theory, but I think you’re envisioning a bigger problem than actually exists.

    Do you own them?

  • Dark Sails to Inky to Default Video

    Dark/ Inky / Athena Ghost / Order Chief / Default Video

    Decide for yourself. This shot was taken from the default interaction of the wheel . you can clearly see so much more of the island and surroundings. Imagine this sail bobbing in the sea, the benefit is obvious.

    Now I think the price is fine, what I'd like to see is some other cool cosmetics in the future that share the same bend. Either from dabloons, IRL money, in game adventures, etc.. but having options to acquire this V shape would be similar to other sales that share the rip / tear shape.

    from this point on, my main goal is the 8 million I am going to need for this sail :)

  • Where are the people who wanted some sort of upgrade for their ship? Or more privilege for being Pirate Legends? - There you go! - and now you want equality again.
    (because you can't afford it and now you're so afraid that the riches will be coming for you)

  • @uzugijin said in Can we change the existing sails into the V shape?:

    Where are the people who wanted some sort of upgrade for their ship? Or more privilege for being Pirate Legends? - There you go! - and now you want equality again.
    (because you can't afford it and now you're so afraid that the riches will be coming for you)

    I know you're trying to communicate, but no one understands what you're saying...

  • @omgitsnegan i do. you just have to think about it.

  • I think if it's a problem it should be changed back to a more standard shape. Or, reduce the max speed of ships using this sail. Less sail = less speed.

    Cutouts and tears are minor, but this new shape is quite a radical departure in sail design from what we've seen previously. If it increases visibility more than is reasonable, it needs a downside or should be changed to a different shape.

  • @rtl-saint I get the first part. But Rare has always said that everyone will always be equal and that level will never give an advantage (except experience, duh) so the first half of this is a nonstarter.

    As for the cost? I could care less as I'll stick with my custom setup over a store bought set every time because I prefer it. So no, I'm not worried about the price, I'm worried about Rare breaking their own rules.

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