That particular weapon set is working as intended.
Look at all the envy it generates.
Kudos to those who have achieved them.
Pirate legend weapons - a letter to the developers
@pellahh said in Pirate legend weapons - a letter to the developers:
@genuine-heather The fact that support for Arena has been cut doesn't mean Arena is unplayable or will get deleted. It feels like an excuse for people that do not like arena/can't get the wins; Arena is still there, you can still play it and Sloop Arena is still fairly balanced, it won't get updated but it's playable.
I think the best solution to make every one happy would be moving the legendary weapons to the Arena shop and call them "Legendary Seadog WeaponName", then make a new weapons set called like current Legendary weapons and tie it to Athena commendations. This way PLegends get a new set of weapons, can complete the Legendary set 100% without playing Arena and the current Legendary Set will remain as it was intended to be: something tied to Arena.
I didn't like doing cargo runs, but I've done a lot of them to complete the commendation that gave me the legendary pocket watch and spyglass; didn't ask devs to change it.
Your idea would not be satisfactory. Here's why.
Those weapons are part of the pirate legend set. Every other piece of that set is achievable in Adventure. The weapons never should have been linked to Arena in the first place. Legendary Sea Dogs already have their own weapon set that's only unlockable by playing Arena. The legendary set should definitely not be renamed. They are the weapons that match every other piece of the set. They should be able to be earned by all pirate legends, not just those who play and win Arena matches.
I don't have a problem with Arena folks having their own special items that can only be unlocked by excelling in Arena. In fact, they already have them. All I'm saying is give the majority of pirates who don't like Arena an alternative means of earning those weapons and completing the legend set. It's preposterous that such a means doesn't already exit. I don't care how hard or grindy they make it, as long as it's in Adventure.
Adventure is the original Sea of Thieves, the game we all love. This is not comparable to grinding cargo runs for commendations, because cargo runs are in Adventure, not a completely separate game. It would be different if the weapons weren't part of the complete legend set. If they were unique and stood apart, then fine...lock them behind any other game you want. Lock them in Battle Toads for all I care. But many of us worked hard to get all the other pieces of that set. Now we can't complete that set without leaving the game we love to play a game we hate. Not only that, but it's a game that has failed and isn't even supported any more.
@genuine-heather ha detto in Pirate legend weapons - a letter to the developers:
Your idea would not be satisfactory. Here's why.
Let's be honest, no idea would satisfy EVERYONE and that's probably why Rare decided not to change anything, people are always gonna find something to complain about anyway.
Those weapons are part of the pirate legend set. Every other piece of that set is achievable in Adventure. The weapons never should have been linked to Arena in the first place. Legendary Sea Dogs already have their own weapon set that's only unlockable by playing Arena. The legendary set should definitely not be renamed. They are the weapons that match every other piece of the set.
That's what my idea is trying to solve: give PL another Legendary weapon set that matches the rest of the set to complete it without going into Arena, while letting Arena players have the current Legendary Set. If people would still complain it wouldn't be because they want to complete the set and do it in Adventure, as it is for all the other cosmetics, would mean they just want THAT specific set without going into Arena JUST BECAUSE IT'S ARENA, because, from what I read, many people say they hate Arena but would farm the commendation if it was about something they hate in Adventure, this feels like a "I want them and I want them now" childish kind of thing to me. If they were locked behind an even more time consuming commendation with very bad and repetitive gameplay these kind of people would still get them that way which feels very childish to me, it is not really about enjoying or not the time spent grinding that commendation anymore.
All I'm saying is give the majority of pirates who don't like Arena an alternative means of earning those weapons and completing the legend set. It's preposterous that such a means doesn't already exit. I don't care how hard or grindy they make it, as long as it's in Adventure.
Adventure is the original Sea of Thieves, the game we all love. This is not comparable to grinding cargo runs for commendations, because cargo runs are in Adventure, not a completely separate game.This is what I don't get: people don't want to get the 240 wins because it takes time to get them, time spent doing something they don't like. But if it takes the same amount of time, doing something you don't like in Adventure it would be ok? ????????? WHAT?
It IS comparable to Cargo Runs: they are boring, I didn't want to do those voyages for like 10+ hours to get the commendation, doesn't matter it is in Adventure or not, it is time consuming and boring.
So, if they made a special voyage that requires 3+ crews to get together in ADVENTURE and fight for a chest; the first who sell 2 of those chests (1 spawns at a time) to an outpost wins and you need to get 240 wins, would you still do it just cause it is in adventure? This is just crazy, it just means you don't want to play arena just because it is arena and, as I said, this feels very childish to me, it really makes no sense.It would be different if the weapons weren't part of the complete legend set. If they were unique and stood apart, then fine...lock them behind any other game you want.
That's what my solution do: make new Legendary weapons for PL that match the set, a variant if you will, keeping the current ones for Arena. I really doubt that no one would have complained about this if Legendary weapons had a different name and were sold in arena only anyway.
Not only that, but it's a game that has failed and isn't even supported any more.
Which means nothing, the gamemode is playable and as balanced as it was when most people got the commendation at the start of Arena 2.0; Arena 2.0 actually made it even easier to get and less time consuming compared to Arena 1.0.
Everyone have being complaining about Athena being lacklaster, an ampty shallow grind made out of reskinned content, we can all agree that all the Pirate Legend thing failed and it is not being updated for the same reason: there aren't enough Pirate Legends to make worth developing unique voyages with new game mechanics just for them.@pellahh I understand that you like Arena. But can you understand that many people don't? It's a very different game from Adventure, a game we didn't sign up for when we started playing. It's not just about "doing something we don't like." If it's in Adventure, I'll like it just fine. I don't mind grinding in Adventure because I like the game. I don't like playing Arena. Is it really that hard to accept?
So, if they made a special voyage that requires 3+ crews to get together in ADVENTURE and fight for a chest; the first who sell 2 of those chests (1 spawns at a time) to an outpost wins and you need to get 240 wins, would you still do it just cause it is in adventure? This is just crazy, it just means you don't want to play arena just because it is arena and, as I said, this feels very childish to me, it really makes no sense.
Why would you assume such a thing? I'd be open to almost anything within Adventure mode, as long as it blends in with the whole experience. The point of Adventure is it's totally open-ended. It's just you, your crew, a ship, and the open seas. There are no artificial limitations, countdown timers, horrible lobbies, etc. Arena feels like an arcade-style game. Nothing wrong with that, but that's not the kind of game I'm interested in playing. There's no depth to it, no sense of adventure. It feels contrived. It doesn't feel like a pirate game. It's just a silly arcade game with wooden ships.
If they're going to make a new variant of the weapons, then they should give the new ones to the Sea Dogs. Let those of us who aren't interested in Arena earn the current weapons properly in Adventure, where they belong.
@swiftthatch said in Pirate legend weapons - a letter to the developers:
@genuine-heather I agree why do I have to play with people who destroy me and are toxic to unlock the only good weapon set
You don't have to play it. You want the skin then do it. Its alot easier to get the skins then it was before they changed arena. Also just because its not being updated doesn't mean players aren't playing arena.
No one is being toxic, ESPECIALLY after the newest update so now you have no excuses but you'll probably still try to find some.
The real reason you are crying is because -
why do I have to play with people who destroy me
You are bad at the game. Get good at it. There problem solved. You have it very easy now compared to before. The only reason you are complaining is because you are brand new to the game and you want something RIGHT AWAY.
If this was the old Arena set up, I would agree that was a definite grind and there were games where you would lose simply by start locations. They ended up changing it and now its easy for players to get wins and its a WHOLE lot faster. You got sloop arena which is almost an instant game and the matches are only 15mins versus the 30 we used to have to play. Not to mention the 30minute lobbies. You have it SO much easier then the original players who got this before arena was changed.
Learn about the game, ask questions, ask for advice, ask for help, aka git gud. Learn to be better. Stop making excuses. Its not difficult and its not MONTHS.
@swiftthatch said in Pirate legend weapons - a letter to the developers:
@xultanis-dragon im pl and have played since day 1
Are you?? If you are a day one player then why did it take you close to 3 years to get PL?? Every since they changed the game you can get to PL in as little as a week with even the smallest amounts of game time. If took you close to 3 years. Me thinks you are not what you say you are.
"I am PL and have played since day 1" - Playing the game 3 times a year does not make you a good player nor does it validate your "I'm a day 1 player" boast.
You got Pirate Legend in August of 2020 and thats the same month when you stole your first captain chest.
So either you got the game day 1 and never touched it, or you are making stuff up.
Either way, get better at the game and stop making excuses.
@swiftthatch said in Pirate legend weapons - a letter to the developers:
im pl and have played since day 1
Then why are you struggling so much to fight other players?
There is absolutely no reason to move anything that's tied to arena commendations to adventure. If they get rid of the arena the cosmetics should remain only for those who earned them, just like everything from previous patches that are now unavailable.
Rare tried to make Pirate Adventurers play Arena to complete PL Set and it didnt work.
Only few players play it at all and the audience is mostly... well, that kind of players nobody want to deal with.Keep your weapons, its just one of the mistakes Rare made on their Journey.
The Pl Set is anyway ugly as hell and the weapons can hardly compete with other stuff.
It anyway is a matter of taste, except for some exagerating about their efforts in a videogame every 6yo can do.
But can you understand that many people don't?
Yes, that's literally why I camu up with that solution.
It's a very different game from Adventure, a game we didn't sign up for when we started playing.
So you "signed-up" for every update without knowing what to expect next? Aren't voyages very different from each other?
It's not just about "doing something we don't like." If it's in Adventure, I'll like it just fine. I don't mind grinding in Adventure because I like the game. I don't like playing Arena. Is it really that hard to accept?
Yes, it is. It makes no sense to me that people like don't want to play Arena just cause it's Arena, but it's totally fine for you to do stuff you hate in Adventure just because it's Adventure. Do you realize this doesn't make sense?
don't like playing Arena.
You don't like playing Arena so you don't play it, right? what if there's a commendation behind a voyage you don't like doing in Adventure? You would do it just cause it's Adventure even if you are not having fun doing the voyage bacause you do not like it? ???
Why would you assume such a thing?
Because you're are literally saying that you grind stuff in Adventure just cause it's adventure but do anything in Arena because it's Arena.
If they're going to make a new variant of the weapons, then they should give the new ones to the Sea Dogs.
So that people can complain about Arena getting unique cosmetics with just the 3% of the playerbase and then claim those belongs to adventure? No, thank you. Get the new Legendary weapons set that matches the rest of Legendary items and be happy with that, Rare didn't change the Commendation in almost 2 years, doubt it will happen anyway.
Let those of us who aren't interested in Arena earn the current weapons properly in Adventure, where they belong.
They don't belong to Adventure, Rare linked Legendary items to relative commendations: Weapons got linked to PvP which translates to arena.
Listen, I also enjoy Adventure more than Arena, maxing out all Companies took me more time than getting Legendary weapons and Triumphant title, this doesn't mean I enjoy doing whatever adventure has to offer: I don't enjoy hunting thrones to sit on them, stop by any mermaid statue to destroy it, grind the same voyages over and over without any interaction with other players (specially farming Athena, Oos and Merchant voyages). But as a player who enjoys completing stuff, I've done all those things just to complete some commendations. Not all players are going to like every aspect of the game, often they need to do stuff they hate, to get the cosmetics they want. It is literally impossibile to make all commendations fun to all players while also making them related to the cosmetic you are going to unlock, since the situation is like this you need to decide wether is worth or not the grind for each cosmetic. Not saying we should accept every commendation, deciding not to complete a commendation is a solution if you think the commendation is fair but not worth grinding for you specifically; there are some truly bad designed commendations* and 240 wins in Arena isn't one of them.
*(I'm talking about all the commendations that require you to sail 1k miles during a voyage, those really require an update because it's just sailing a LOT of hours with an active voyage, to complete the Athena one I literally runned reaper, doing wathever I wanted, while having an active Athena just for that commendation and it took months to complete)
@pellahh said in Pirate legend weapons - a letter to the developers:
So you "signed-up" for every update without knowing what to expect next? Aren't voyages very different from each other?
Okay, at this point you're either not getting this or being deliberately disingenuous. Voyages are all within Adventure. They're not in a completely separate game. They can be different. That's fine. I like Adventure. I can't stand Arena. You seem unable to accept this.
It's not just about "doing something we don't like." If it's in Adventure, I'll like it just fine. I don't mind grinding in Adventure because I like the game. I don't like playing Arena. Is it really that hard to accept?
Yes, it is. It makes no sense to me that people like don't want to play Arena just cause it's Arena, but it's totally fine for you to do stuff you hate in Adventure just because it's Adventure. Do you realize this doesn't make sense?
You're the one not making sense. I can't think of anything I "hate" doing in Adventure. It's incredibly simple. I don't mind doing stuff in Adventure because it's the game mode I enjoy playing. I don't enjoy Arena. I've already explained why in some detail.
don't like playing Arena.
You don't like playing Arena so you don't play it, right? what if there's a commendation behind a voyage you don't like doing in Adventure? You would do it just cause it's Adventure even if you are not having fun doing the voyage bacause you do not like it? ???
You keep making the same circular argument, but it's based upon invalid assumptions. I don't play games I don't enjoy. Period. I'm too old and have way too much to do to waste hours of my life playing games I hate. If I'm playing Sea of Thieves (Adventure) then I'm having fun. I don't mind grinding commendations in the open, unrestricted world of Adventure because I enjoy the game.
Why would you assume such a thing?
Because you're are literally saying that you grind stuff in Adventure just cause it's adventure but do anything in Arena because it's Arena.
Yes, because I love playing Adventure and hate playing Arena. They're completely different games. Why is this so hard for you to accept?
If they're going to make a new variant of the weapons, then they should give the new ones to the Sea Dogs.
So that people can complain about Arena getting unique cosmetics with just the 3% of the playerbase and then claim those belongs to adventure? No, thank you. Get the new Legendary weapons set that matches the rest of Legendary items and be happy with that, Rare didn't change the Commendation in almost 2 years, doubt it will happen anyway.
The present weapons are the ones that perfectly match the legend set. They were literally designed to complete the set. That's why it matters, and why it was a mistake to link them to a completely different game. I understand their intention, I simply disagree with their decision. No, you're right that they probably won't change it. But I still hope they do.
Let those of us who aren't interested in Arena earn the current weapons properly in Adventure, where they belong.
They don't belong to Adventure, Rare linked Legendary items to relative commendations: Weapons got linked to PvP which translates to arena.
That's not exactly right. The weapons got linked to Arena, which involves PvP. It wasn't the other way around. I'd be perfectly happy if they were linked to PvP in Adventure. That's the way it should have been.
Listen, I also enjoy Adventure more than Arena, maxing out all Companies took me more time than getting Legendary weapons and Triumphant title, this doesn't mean I enjoy doing whatever adventure has to offer: I don't enjoy hunting thrones to sit on them, stop by any mermaid statue to destroy it, grind the same voyages over and over without any interaction with other players (specially farming Athena, Oos and Merchant voyages). But as a player who enjoys completing stuff, I've done all those things just to complete some commendations. Not all players are going to like every aspect of the game, often they need to do stuff they hate, to get the cosmetics they want. It is literally impossibile to make all commendations fun to all players while also making them related to the cosmetic you are going to unlock, since the situation is like this you need to decide wether is worth or not the grind for each cosmetic. Not saying we should accept every commendation, deciding not to complete a commendation is a solution if you think the commendation is fair but not worth grinding for you specifically; there are some truly bad designed commendations* and 240 wins in Arena isn't one of them.
The commendations in Adventure are fine. I'm not worried about them. I know that over time I'll complete everything I want to complete. I don't have to hurry. All I have to do is enjoy playing the game. The difference between you and me is I didn't "hate" doing the thrones. I didn't mind destroying mermaid statues. I didn't even mind chasing chickens back in the day. I'm not saying I enjoy all things equally, but they were all fun in their own way. They're all part of the game I love.
*(I'm talking about all the commendations that require you to sail 1k miles during a voyage, those really require an update because it's just sailing a LOT of hours with an active voyage, to complete the Athena one I literally runned reaper, doing wathever I wanted, while having an active Athena just for that commendation and it took months to complete)
That literally involves nothing more than sailing around doing what you'd be doing anyway. I can't see why this was so painful for you. The beauty of Adventure is there's no pressure. You can do things in any order you choose, any way you choose, and (aside from certain time-limited events) any time you choose. It's an open world with infinite possibilities.
I haven't completed all the commendations. But I've done a lot. Some I've grinded for, some have simply happened organically by playing the game. I have every part of the legend set aside from the weapons. I'm unlikely to ever complete that set as long as they're locked behind the Arena. I don't think that's right.
Okay, at this point you're either not getting this or being deliberately disingenuous. Voyages are all within Adventure. They're not in a completely separate game. They can be different. That's fine. I like Adventure. I can't stand Arena. You seem unable to accept this.
To me it feels like you are not getting my point. Voyages are all different from each other and the fact that they are in Adventure doesn't make them equal on the enjoyment level. Adventure has a lot of different activities to do, being different means people can enjoy some as hate others, the fact all these activities can be done within the same gamemode means nothing.
Since this is taking a lot of time for nothing, I'll just ask you a question:
If they made a commendation to unlock Legendary weapons in Adventure that was as time consuming as the 240 wins and requiring to do something you'd hate to do as much as playing Arena, but in Adventure, would you grind it anyway?@pellahh said in Pirate legend weapons - a letter to the developers:
Voyages are all different from each other and the fact that they are in Adventure doesn't make them equal on the enjoyment level. Adventure has a lot of different activities to do, being different means people can enjoy some as hate others,
I agree with everything you said above. Yes, voyages are all different. No, they're not equal. Yes, there are lots of things to do, and everybody has their own preferences. But...
the fact all these activities can be done within the same gamemode means nothing.
That's where you're wrong. Of course it means something. In fact you sort of made my point for me, in a backwards way. All of those different voyages are in the same game. If you generally enjoy playing that game, then the voyages--even ones that aren't your favorites--are obviously enjoyable. I guess maybe you just don't enjoy the game as much as I do. That's fine. Everybody's entitled to their personal preferences. But I do enjoy the game. If there's a quest that's especially grindy, it might not be my favorite, but I'll still be having fun because I'll be playing Sea of Thieves. Simple as that.
Since this is taking a lot of time for nothing, I'll just ask you a question:
If they made a commendation to unlock Legendary weapons in Adventure that was as time consuming as the 240 wins and requiring to do something you'd hate to do as much as playing Arena, but in Adventure, would you grind it anyway?LOL! Listen, you're not getting this. It's literally impossible for them to put something into Adventure that I'd hate doing as much as Arena because they're completely different games. I don't know why you can't seem to accept this. I love playing Sea of Thieves (adventure). I'll be happy to grind out 240 whatevers in Adventure, because I'll be playing a game I thoroughly enjoy. I know that whatever the challenge is, I'll eventually get there. That's one of the things I love about Adventure. It's a procrastinator's paradise. Don't feel like grinding commendations today? Fine. Go hunting ships. Steal a Fort of the Damned. Go fishing for that one rare fish. Open some vaults. Finish up that Tall Tale you've been putting off. Whatever. There's not one thing in Adventure I hate doing. Literally not one thing.
I don't enjoy playing Arena. It's a different game with different rules. Winning or losing doesn't matter. It's just not my kind of game. I find it wholly unsatisfying. I could stomach a match here or there (maybe), but I could never tolerate it long enough to rack up 240 wins. I value my time much too highly to endure a game I don't enjoy.
The whole point of playing games is to have fun. If you're not having fun, why are you doing it?
All they really have to do is give Sea of Thieves players like myself an alternative means of earning the weapons and completing the legendary set. Then we can all be happy and enjoy playing the games we love.
If you generally enjoy playing that game, then the voyages--even ones that aren't your favorites--are obviously enjoyable.
I completely do not agree with this: I enjoy playing Adventure while running reapers, doing World Events and hunting emisssaries/looking for PvP; I don't enjoy grinding voyages. I didn't enjoy my grinding-voyages sessions, those voyages don't make me dislake adventure simply because I can avoid doing them.
The only difference between Arena and Adventure is that Arena offers only 1 activity so if you don't enjoy it you just don't play it, on the other hand Adventure offers many different activities so if you don't like some of them you just do the ones you like.
There is no difference between me and you: you don't like Arena and so you don play it; I don't like Cargo run and so I don't buy the voyages. So why should they give you an alternative for Legendary Weapons but not give players like me an alternative for Legendary Spyglass/Pocket Watch? (I'm not asking for this, I don't think it's needed, I'm just asking you WHY). As said, Adventure and Arena are not a different game, but gamemodes. Of all activities SoT has to offer 1 is Arena and all the others are inside Adventure.All they really have to do is give Sea of Thieves players like myself an alternative means of earning the weapons and completing the legendary set.
As said up here, why shouldn't players that dislike specific activities inside Adventure have an alternative then? Because you like them all and so you don't acknowledge that not everybody has your same experience with the game?
See, the solution I proposed was thought as I acknowledged that people may want a way to complete the Set without going into Arena. You'd ask for the Legendary Weapons and give the replacement to Arena players which to me seems like you feel entitled to something that Devs themselves intended to be tied to Arena, you think it's a mistake? I don't, we can talk as much as you want about this point but we'll never reach an agreement.The fact that YOU enjoy ALL the content currently available in Adventure doesn't mean that you'd enjoy whatever can be added to Adventure. The more activities there are and the more different they are, the more unlikely it is that you'll like everything, statistically.
It's literally impossible for them to put something into Adventure that I'd hate doing as much as Arena because they're completely different games.
It is not, you're avoiding the question.
The whole point of playing games is to have fun. If you're not having fun, why are you doing it?
Having fun is not the whole point of playing games, that's a super simplistic way of describing the medium. Since it's very complex and out of topic, I'm just gonna give you some way of playing a game that do not necessarily require "fun": completism, addiction, diversion, competitiveness. And I played different games in different moods during my life for all these reasons.
@genuine-heather
Why not just think about arena as a voyage for the Sea Dogs?
According to your statements if arena was implemented to be started by sailing to the Sea Dog Tavern and starting it as an event from there you would have zero problems with it, so why is it so different just because you begin from a lobby separate from adventure? It is not a separate game from sea of thieves, just another server with a more focused aspect on combat.There should be a way to unlock this set outside of Arena.
Such as, 240 Emissary Flag turn ins.
Maybe add a special version of Pirate Legend weapons that have a glow to them (not fully golden like the 1 year anniversary blunderbuss) for the Sea Dog version, or vice versa.
Thought Ive been grinding slowly to 100 wins for the past 2 years to get the weapons only to find out its 240.
Thats a big nope for me.
Arena commendations stay in Arena... I'm sick of adventure pvers throwing their toys out the pram because they don't want to grind out the 240 wins... Let me tell you the 240 wins was a big grind and if rare hands this out easily then they completely disrespect the players who put in the time to grind
@skobel1337 the devs r trying to bring the arena rewards to adventure but r still looking for the right way to do so
I hope they dont bring the arena rewards to adventure, its all we have now in the arena. No more updates, no communications, tired of rare taking away from us in the arena (im part of the 3% that plays) im lsd and triumphant seadog (got them back in 24minute round days) and i still play arena now....just now its "going through the motions" cause we cant talk to the other crews. Btw i wasnt one of the toxic players i was the type to chitchat or have pepple sing in the lobby, you know the fun stuff rare is taking away from us
I just achived Legendary Sea Dog title:
240 wins, with the lack of further support for the arena mode announced by the developers, seems unrealistic.
In the current mode, gaining this title is almost a miracle...
Seems like you proved yourself wrong.
I still think 240 is too much and this amount should be reduced to at least 160.
I still think it doesn't need to get reduced.
I also think the reasons you gave still aren't valid: the Arena is not getting supported anymore but it doesn't really feel like something changed, it really just got 1 major update and very small fixes in almost 2 years.
Open crew is terrible? I agree, but it has always been like that, the achievement only got easier to get (games last less time and Arena 2.0 is way less caothic and easier to win than Arena 1.0, if people got 240 wins on A1.0 there's no reason to reduce them on A2.0).
The solution to open crews being bad is as simple as finding 1 player to play with and just duo sloop, not hard to do, many discords and groups help with that. Also, sloop's lobbies waiting time rn is the same as 1 year ago.
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