SOT partners and their server hopping drones

@stundorn said in SOT partners - server hopping drones:

@treefittymonsta

So glad this topic geht's attention now and im not the only one arguing.

Most streamers are just ruining Games .
Reverseboosting for Kills etc....
Sh'ing for Prey or PvE only Servers .

All it does ist harming the game and real Community.

Before we have everyday a new Post , what about a megathread @Deckhands

yah sorry. I didn't find a thread specifically regarding streamer community server hoppers, so I figured I would start a new topic specific to streamers and this practice

@jadescissors32 said in SOT partners - server hopping drones:

@treefittymonsta
I don't watch streamers, but what is "good" server in their mind? Asking so I know what to use for bait.

according to the streamers I watched. 'people to dumpster' aka FOTD, high level reapers emmisaries and Athena emmisaries on gilded voyages.

I just feel like regular players can't keep up with the streamers. I watched one streamer with over 10k viewers and every few messages was one of their community members saying they found a good server to give them. how can a regular player compete with this level of exploit?

@treefittymonsta said in SOT partners - server hopping drones:

I've been watching streams over the holidays and noticed that the majority of streamers have their communities hopping servers to find a 'good' server. this sounds like an exploit to me. it gives streamers an unfair advantage over the rest of the community.. IMO this sounds like it would lead to dozens and dozens of vacant servers as their community continues to hop and hop.

does rare care that the sot partners have droves of community members hopping servers, hunting for 'good' servers? surely this must put a strain on their services. can we put an end to this practice of having their community giving streamers servers? thanks

Server-hopping in general is bad-form. We have server-merging and should see streamers who play on a single server their whole session.

I've already made my piece about a time-limited situation before. If someone enters a server, they can't enter another for 10 minutes.

@amendelwyr said in SOT partners - server hopping drones:

@treefittymonsta said in SOT partners - server hopping drones:

I've been watching streams over the holidays and noticed that the majority of streamers have their communities hopping servers to find a 'good' server. this sounds like an exploit to me. it gives streamers an unfair advantage over the rest of the community.. IMO this sounds like it would lead to dozens and dozens of vacant servers as their community continues to hop and hop.

does rare care that the sot partners have droves of community members hopping servers, hunting for 'good' servers? surely this must put a strain on their services. can we put an end to this practice of having their community giving streamers servers? thanks

Server-hopping in general is bad-form. We have server-merging and should see streamers who play on a single server their whole session.

I've already made my piece about a time-limited situation before. If someone enters a server, they can't enter another for 10 minutes.

server hopping is necessary to a limit to find specific events. I suggested along time back that events should be player activated

my problem is the streamers have droves and droves of followers constantly hopping to find 'good' servers. sounds like an exploit to me. I wish I had a community to find me the really 'good' servers.

"Hey uh, friend, I'm looking to kill people who are doing Ashen Winds events instead of actually getting the achievements over time because I like to look cool and powerful and don't want to take the time. I also like having all those golden achievements that say 1.3% people have it. Yeah, can you just look for servers for me? Thanks."

Yeah, that's bad form. This shouldn't be something possible. If you leave "the game", you shouldn't be able to quickly jump into another server to "host" content. Organic play is how games should be done. Server-hopping because you don't want to do Flameheart or a Skelly Fort or the Skelly Fleet makes that server you left empty. This makes false server activity. And because of the number of people wanting to be popular and cool to their streamer, they do this hopping.

It's bad on servers both in-game and on their server hardware! This is probably a cause for heavier Hit-Reg issues that we've seen progressing!

Yes, I know, we don't want to limit our friends joining us if we've both been sailing separately! But, surely there's a way to combine these ideas right?

@amendelwyr said in Ship Yards:

@vito1700
Number of solutions:
1: Can only change once per hour.
2: Cannot change your ships' size if you've been in player combat for the past ~minute.
3: Must have your ship in range.
4: All crew members must vote.
5: The ship is scuttled, resources from barrels are lost. Treasure is dropped into the sea. All as normally happens as scuttling does to your crew. Except an unanchored ship is placed in a random 1 of 5 locations surrounding the Shipyard and Sea Dog's tavern.

Organically, giving your friends an opportunity to play together without endlessly hopping is better than enabling streamers to encourage a behavior that is both inorganic and detrimental.

-PvP-focused people hop to find their Lvl 5 Reapers / FotD and charge headlong into battle over and over instead of the ships that you "knew". These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain, making the reward for either ending them or being sunk by them always have a foul taste in the mouth. Always.
You know them, they're always default ship-skin.

Go watch PhuzzyBond. ;)

@treefittymonsta sorry but I am going to disagree. Server hopping is completely okay. There should be no limiting it or punishing it.

It does not ruin the game as the crew being attacked could not possibly know the difference between a new crew or server hoppers.

@captain-coel
Sever-hoppers = White default sails, overly aggressive

-PvP-focused people hop to find their Lvl 5 Reapers / FotD and charge headlong into battle over and over instead of the ships that you "knew". These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain, making the reward for either ending them or being sunk by them always have a foul taste in the mouth. Always.
You know them.

@amendelwyr i server hop almost every time I play, I always decorate my boat. I server hop from multiple pcs even to find juicier servers faster.

I did it when looking for ashen lords because I didn't want to wait for the event to pop, why do a fort or fleet for the 100+ time?

Now I'm server hopping for flameheart so I can get wraithballs to shoot at people to finish that achievement. Or im hopping to land in shore of plenty to stack vaults because quest mechanics favor always sending you to crescent Island.

I server hop to find out how my adventure is gonna start and let the rest be what it is, and if I need to hop again I will.

Tools not Rules.

@amendelwyr said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones:

Sever-hoppers = White default sails, overly aggressive

Not completely. I was few weeks back at Smugglers bay with default ship because i'm to lazy to change the skin. Was there doing literally nothing when i saw FOTD cloud come up. Headed there because i needed few more "complete" FOTD 50 times commendations. They finish, i get blackscreened back to ship that was piloted by my friend heading towards that FOTD. We engaged and after fight we sunk them and random brig.

TL:DR you can't always tell if ship is hopper.

@captain-coel said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones:

@amendelwyr i server hop almost every time I play, I always decorate my boat. I server hop from multiple pcs even to find juicier servers faster.

I did it when looking for ashen lords because I didn't want to wait for the event to pop, why do a fort or fleet for the 100+ time?

So, you are abusing it.

Now, you're also one of the few hoppers that takes the time (which takes less than a minute, sure), to decorate. Cool. That doesn't change my and others' high percentage of hopper fights having default sails revealing who they are. Same goes for Streamer hopping community to "bring content".

Furthermore, this also doesn't change the fact that you create empty servers behind you taking up server hardware resources and pockets of ports that need resetting. You are contributing to hit-reg issues.

Thanks for breaking our community's tools!

all while appreciate everyone's input. let's stick to the streamer drone hoppers. there is a separate thread dedicated to hopping. my thread is meant to focus on the sot partners having their communities hopping for them. this makes them rl money for content... which (imo) is a bigger issue than players hopping for their own personal experience.

Streamers have been jacking the devs from the start.
Remember the first Pirste Legend got fast-tracked to top rank within a few weeks? Proved to me how useless that title can be.

Likely Rare will do nothing regarding this issue.

@treefittymonsta said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones:

I just feel like regular players can't keep up with the streamers. I watched one streamer with over 10k viewers and every few messages was one of their community members saying they found a good server to give them. how can a regular player compete with this level of exploit?

@treefittymonsta said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones:

my problem is the streamers have droves and droves of followers constantly hopping to find 'good' servers. sounds like an exploit to me. I wish I had a community to find me the really 'good' servers.

Heeey.... That'd be great. Someone find me a server that has a good mix of medium to low skilled players so I can sink them and make cash for it!

@stundorn said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones:

with ten to hundred fans hopping 10 minutes is nothing, it needs to harm hopping really bad so it is very time consuming and not worth it! Else people will find ways to do it and with a loose restrictions gamer will game the system further.

I should clarify, I meant to say: "10 minutes since they press 'leave game'."
Most hoppers don't have communities that engage them with, "Join my game please, I have content to make you money and give me endorphins for appearing cool to all my peers who don't even know my face or voice, but will forget my name in a day." It's disgusting.

So, you're right, Stundorn, we need to make it worthless to hop. More than a loading screen. There should be tools that encourage consistent play on the same server, and with less hopping being done, they can work to improve Server merging.

@barnabas-seadog said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones:

Likely Rare will do nothing regarding this issue.

oh. I agree. but I wanted to throw it out there to see if it stuck.

@treefittymonsta server hopping as a drone for a streamer or as an individual is no different.

@captain-coel said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones:

@treefittymonsta server hopping as a drone for a streamer or as an individual is no different.

I disagree. a sot partner stream is backed by rare and should not condone such behaviour, while an individual is not backed by rare.

@treefittymonsta said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones:

I've been watching streams over the holidays and noticed that the majority of streamers have their communities hopping servers to find a 'good' server. this sounds like an exploit to me. it gives streamers an unfair advantage over the rest of the community.. IMO this sounds like it would lead to dozens and dozens of vacant servers as their community continues to hop and hop.

does rare care that the sot partners have droves of community members hopping servers, hunting for 'good' servers? surely this must put a strain on their services. can we put an end to this practice of having their community giving streamers servers? thanks

Ive never met a streamer in game before. Surely the problem isnt that bad is it?

Why not just murder them infront of all of their viewers and show them what a true pirate is?

Surely theres not much more glory than that eh?

Id love to go up against a streamer.

@daringclarky said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones

Why not just murder them infront of all of their viewers and show them what a true pirate is?

Surely theres not much more glory than that eh?

Id love to go up against a streamer.

if u lose ur content, if u win they'll accuse u of stream sniping. I'd rather they be on a separate server altogether.

If they wanna waste there viewers time hunting for a “good server” and burn away good quality streaming service. Like...just play the game. Let them do it.

Does not ruin the casual or average players fun.

@burnbacon said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones:

Does not ruin the casual or average players fun.

if anything it promotes the ruining of casual and average player fun. if they have droves of followers combing servers. not only are those people populating then immediately depopulating servers but they're also introducing a new type of rng but in the streamers favor.

@treefittymonsta said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones:

@daringclarky said in SOT partners and their server hopping drones

Why not just murder them infront of all of their viewers and show them what a true pirate is?

Surely theres not much more glory than that eh?

Id love to go up against a streamer.

if u lose ur content, if u win they'll accuse u of stream sniping. I'd rather they be on a separate server altogether.

What happens if you are accused of stream sniping tho? Couple of extreme fans name calling you in chat on their channel?

Fight fire with fire.
Join their channel and challenge them. Get them to convince a ship to let you join and settle it.
If they dont they will look like idiots and they will have people watching and scrutinising them.

Not all twitch crowd are die hard fans.

Ive unfollowed some streamers that are just popular noobs or poor sports when they lose, cant be the only one who does that.

I think the streamer has more reason to fear you than you fear them. If they appear weak or noobish they will hurt more than your cannons ever will

Rare keeps track of so much game data, items stolen, kills made, ships sunk... I would love if they made MMR servers that gave super big gold and XP boosts for being on them. You'd have to go out up against the sweatiest of the sweats. For a pirate like me who has stolen over 21,134+ items, I welcome the challenge. I want find sweat, and unfortunately the servers aren't set up for it... I would totally be down to be forced on a server if I knew the other 5 ships would be crewed by sweaty captains of high MMR.

@ajm123
Mitigating the problem does make a significant difference though, especially in terms of entertainment. It might not resolve it completely, but reduce it enough that it soon fades on its own or is overthrown by "new meta."

Everyone wants Hit-Reg gone, well, this is one of those things adding to it. So, let's get rid of it.