Teaming in Arena

  • I've only found one thread on this topic looking through the archives and I couldn't find a clear answer, but rather peoples own thoughts on the topic.

    When I say teaming there are certain things that i consider unfair, and things that I consider fair. If Blue team is in the lead and both Red and Yellow decide to attack Blue even if they are in range to attack the other team, I wouldn't consider this unfair. What I do consider to be unfair is when Blue is targeted by both Red and Yellow who do not kill each other and stay on the Blue ship to camp it. I don't have a problem with spawn camping as that's a valid tactic, but when a team of up to 8 people all just stay on a ship to 1v8 as soon as a person spawns, it's next to impossible for that team to recover. Its especially bad when those teams aren't sinking Blue ship but are keeping it afloat to farm kills for commendations, taking away the grind. The main reason I have a problem with this is that you get punished for leaving more than one game, why should I be forced to stay for a 15 minute game when all I'm doing is dying the second I spawn in with 0 chance of survival no matter what skill level you are at the game? Why should I be punished for not wanting to stay for that?.

    Some people argue its 'balanced' because only one of those teams will win, however that isn't the point at all as a lot of players that do this are simply trying to get the commendations for getting kills with specific weaponry, meaning that the truce wouldn't break up near the end so that one of them gets the win. A lot of games that feature a competitive game mode do punish teaming across multiple teams like this as it makes it unfun and unfair for the other teams, so I would hope Rare would do the same, but i can't seem to get confirmation that is the case. so i guess discuss it if you want, I'd personally love to see an official answer to this question from the development team if possible.

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  • @frogfish12
    You could have scuttled.

  • @lem0n-curry thats not a fix

  • The old version of teaming in arena 1.0 I was familiar with was one sloop runs cover as the other digs up and turns in all the chests. Then next round they switch roles. Absolute garbage players do this.

    As far as TDM, they don't bother stopping me from winning, I don't interrupt their deathmatch session by sinking their ships.

  • @frogfish12 Were the other boats ankered at a fort or at smugglers bay or lone cove? If yes then they were porbably tdm'ing each other and weren't bothering you at all until you came and cannoned their ships.

    If you see two or more ships ankered at forts you'd be best adviced to just let them be, then you'll most likely be able to snatch a couple free wins.
    However if you ruin their fun, they'll camp you and therefore ruin yours.

    • Scuttle your ship, don't let them take advantage of you.
    • Vote for new opponents in the tavern for the next round.
    • Tell them they are @##$ holes in the tavern, get them to explain themselves, and tell them that if they want to play they need opponents, so should play fair.
    • Get Gud and do everything in your power to prevent boarders.
    • Leave TDMers alone as much as possible.
    • If all else fails report them
  • Everyone has said it already but I'd just want to emphasize two points:

    • Scuttling is very useful when you get spawn camped and people don't use it as often as they really should, especially since you'll probably sink anyway if you can't respawn properly
    • Yup if someone wants to TDM just leave them alone

    I've had a game where two teams teamed up to camp the main ship where you return the chest to, it sucked. Pressing F doesn't always helps so if you check 'Other Crews' and they're still there you can just leave and enter a different lobby.

  • @frogfish12 said in Teaming in Arena:

    @lem0n-curry thats not a fix

    Actually, it is. It prevents others from gaining more points, and gets you back into the action. How is that not a fix?

  • @insaiity said in Teaming in Arena:

    @frogfish12 Were the other boats ankered at a fort or at smugglers bay or lone cove? If yes then they were porbably tdm'ing each other and weren't bothering you at all until you came and cannoned their ships.

    If you see people ankered at forts you'd be best adviced to just let them be, then you'll most likely be able to snatch a couple free wins.
    However if you ruin their fun, they'll camp you and therefore ruin yours.

    I made the mistake of attacking 2 ships doing this the other night. The irony was they thought I was attacking them, when all I wanted to do was land on their boat for the Summer Sails event legendary title (which I got, BTW). 😅

  • @galactic-geek sagte in Teaming in Arena:

    I made the mistake of attacking 2 ships doing this the other night. The irony was they thought I was attacking them, when all I wanted to do was land on their boat for the Summer Sails event legendary title (which I got, BTW). 😅

    An honest mistake from them, did you tell them that? If they were nice they would have let you be again.

  • @insaiity I was un party chat at the time. 😅

  • First off, I would like the thank everyone who has responded thus far, and to address some of the things that have been mentioned, feel free to read it all, or just that dedicated to you if you are mentioned.

    @insaiity While my post was sparked by one specific instance of teaming, I have encountered many variations I would consider to be unfair. The instance in question had two ships sail over to my crew and anchor us, park their ships out of cannon range of us, and begin to spawn camp us together. so with ''Were the other boats ankered at a fort or at smugglers bay or lone cove? If yes then they were porbably tdm'ing each other and weren't bothering you at all until you came and cannoned their ships.'' this wasn't the case, the intent on their end was to keep our ship up to grind kills, they were not TDming and they came at us directly.

    @One-Eyed-Curly Voting for new opponents next round is in the same boat is in my eyes the same problem as scuttling which I will talk about later, it means others will face the problem next round, its not a fix, its a bypass. Trashtalking them most likely won't do anything as its not like any amount of arguing makes people stop if they are trying to get commendations, even if you are polite about it. No amount of 'get gud' solves the problem of unfairness in this sense, incredibly skilled players would face the same problem unless they team up with another ship to even it out. ''If all else fails report them'' this is the entire reason I made this post, I want to know if its okay to report people that ruin the arena experience for others in this way, both from the eyes of other players as well as an official response from Rare. If teaming is not a reportable offence then reporting them does nothing.

    @AhlaHumus @Galactic-Geek @One-Eyed-Curly I personally don't find scuttling to be a fix to this specific scenario. I do believe scuttling is a good fix to other scenarios such as being spawn camped if your team is unable to recover from it, however if the problem is that you are fighting against a team with an unfair advantage, having to take the cowards way out doesn't fix the issue. Scuttling against being spawn camped by a singular team just means that you couldn't fight against players that are playing fairly, nothing is wrong with what they are doing, you might not aren't able to compete them, and that's fine. Scuttling against players that are what I would refer to as breaking the rules just means they will do the same thing to other players, which is why I refer scuttling in this situation to be a bypass, not a fix. It means I don't have to deal with it, but others do, be that other ships in the same game, or other ships in games in the future. If teaming in this way is officially considered to be rule breaking, then you can compare the situation to fighting a team of hackers. Sure you can scuttle your ship or disconnect to get away from them, but it means other people have to deal with it. of course this is currently a different situation then going against hackers as its not officially against the rules to team like this, which is why this post is here, to get community feedback as well as a Rare response. Scuttling also sometimes isn't an option for some crews at all if they are playing open crew and not enough of their team agrees to scuttle, or because some of them don't communicate or don't know what/how to scuttle. Its not a fix, its a bypass, and a poor one at that.

    Take a look at https://imgur.com/a/WRZYiR3 this is the sort of situation that I deem unfair and should not be allowed, they aren't TDMing, we didn't hassle them to cause this, its simply two ships to came at a third ship with the intent to keep them alive to farm commendations, and not to TDM. This could be two ships that happened to form a truce, or even could be a group of 8 people who continuously searched matches until they got into a game together. And before you say they were just getting a screenshot, before this they were on our ship for about 5 minutes just walking around killing, and then they stayed at the top for about 3 minutes instantly shooting anyone who came up the stairs, the only way to prevent that of course being blunder bombs, as with 7 people up there and at least one gun per person, its incredibly unlikely you don't die immediately.

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