Legendary Sea Dog

@mace-window9450 240 is fine. I got mine a few months back but when they announced they were thinking of changing it to 100 about a year ago I still protested. Cool cosmetics should take a grind. I'm not aure why people think they shouldn't.

I wish there were other cosmetics that were really grindy.

@mace-window9450

I was wondering what others thoughts would be if it was lowered down to something like 150 wins instead of 240, but instead of just making it easier, give the others who already got 240 something like the golden legendary blunderbuss, but an entire set because I really believe they they would look really cool

It only takes 15 minutes for a game to start and be over, minus the queue times. It's not hard to get the 240 wins, it's a grind, but it's not difficult. The reason why people want these cosmetics in the first place is because they take a long time to get, and you have to be somewhat good at PvP in order to get them. By making the wins come down from 240 to 150, it effectively removes most of the value from getting the cosmetic, because the value and the reason people like the cosmetics is because they are rare and not a lot of people have them.

and make a lot of people really enjoy arena before getting warn out of it like I did.

Even if you did bring the wins down from 240 down to 150, it wouldn't make people stay with arena. Lets say that you DO bring it down to 150, what do people do after they've gotten the legendary weapons? At that point there's nothing left to do besides grind to triumphant seadog, but most people don't want to grind that far. Your reasoning for why we should lower the win requirement from 240 down to 150 is because people will leave since it takes to long. And that may be true, but most casual players don't like arena as is, and they only play it to get the legendary weapons, so the only thing that you would do by lowering the win requirement is to devalue the weapons and still lose the same amount of players.

Did everyone ignore the part I said about the reward?

@mace-window9450
No. If this was going to be implemented then you would need to put in a special reward for people who did their 240 wins, but we're talking about why it shouldn't even be added in the first place.

Did you ignore the part everyone said that the grind to get the commendations is why they are so important?

Here's the thing, I understand what you're saying about how it shouldn't matter that the wins would be dropped down to 150, because people who did complete the 240 wins would now get an even more special cosmetic, I understand that. But most people like the idea that this cosmetic is a grindy cosmetic. There are not a lot of comsetics out there that require you to grind for over a month. I'd say 98% of all cosmetics can be unlocked within a week, even when Summit1g was grinding arena in Sea of Thieves and he played for 5-8 hours a day, it still took him a while to get all of the wins he needed, it's a grind. And that's why people don't want the 240 wins to be lessened, because there are MANY cosmetics that you can get without having to play for a long time, so let us have our few commendations that do take a long time.

No, I just believe that grind is too long because once I got my 240 I never wanna touch the arena again

@mace-window9450
I edited my post at the end after you responded, give it a reread.

No, I just believe that grind is too long because once I got my 240 I never wanna touch the arena again

Just to be clear, if you only needed 150 wins to get the weapons, then you would play AT LEAST 91 more games of arena?

@KaiJoi Not quite that many, but I would still want to play it for a bit every once and a while

@mace-window9450
The way I'm interpreting your post is this:

"We need to lower the win requirement down to 150 wins, or else people will get bored and won't play arena because it's too much of a grind. If we lower the requirement from 240 down to 150, it will incentivize people to keep playing arena because they won't be bored of it yet if they only have to get 150 wins, so you will get more people playing the game because they are more willing to come back if they don't have to win 240 games in order to get their guns."

I don't see it this way. Every single person who has played arena has said at somepoint in their grind to 240 wins, "I hate this game, I can't wait to be done with arena, this game sucks," And most of them have played many games afterwards because the satisfaction of suffering through queue times, losses, and the sheer amount of time spent playing arena is worth it because you have a rare cosmetic that most of the community doesn't have. Not all people will come back and play, some people will go right back to adventure happy with what they've achieved, but most people will come back even after saying all these negative things about arena because to them, they've beaten the game.

The point you were trying to make is that if we lower the wins down to 150 that people would be more willing to play the game way more than if they had to get 240 wins, I then asked if you would play at least 91 games in order to prove that, you said:

Not quite that many, but I would still want to play it for a bit every once and a while

While this isn't definitive proof that EVERYONE would be like you, most people who have grinded to 240 wins play it for a bit every once in a while. So whether you make it 150 wins or 240 wins, you'll be getting about the same amount of people coming back to the game and people leaving the game. The only difference you're making wouldn't be in the player count in arena, it would be the devaluing of the weapon cosmetics and making them worth less. And since a lot of people like the idea of a cosmetic that you can grind for, considering that 98% of all the commendations / cosmetics in this game can be achieved within a week, people like the fact that there are a couple cosmetics that take over a month to complete.

No, it will only lose credibility just like pirate Legend and legendary thief, plus I don’t need a 3rd blunder for hitting legendary sea dog

@kaijoi you guys already have the special reward at 240. Its the victorious blunderbuss.

@Mace-Window9450 If you feel like it's too much now while you're around 100 wins, then maybe you don't measure up to the title.

It floors me that people request these things to be lowered for them. It's not a participation trophy, it signifies you've gone the distance and deserve the title and weapons.

You don't get the good stuff for free.

@baronbrr Look at my other posts I made in this thread, it addressing your argument.

@j0hnfrum honestly i just view cosmetics as fashion trends in real life. I don't care if everyone is using it, if it like wearing it I like wearing it.

@kaijoi No i'm not trying to get into the argument because it's just not worth it. I've already had several arguments about this on this forum and it is just not fun arguing with someone who has an emotional attachment to the thing.

@baronbrr
I'm not emotional about things like this. I'm very objective, I like to think about WHY things are the way they are, and if I agree with it then I will find reasons for why this is correct. Like I said above:

So whether you make it 150 wins or 240 wins, you'll be getting about the same amount of people coming back to the game and people leaving the game. The only difference you're making wouldn't be in the player count in arena, it would be the devaluing of the weapon cosmetics and making them worth less.

You're assuming that I'm not a critical thinker because other people aren't. If you read my other posts in this thread you can see that I'm not being rude, and that I'm explaining my points in detail, and I'm answering questions or concerns that OP had. Just because most people on these forums can't defend their ideas and just say, Sea of Thieves, not Sea of friends," Without thinking about WHY that is the case and how to help other people understand, while still being open to other points, shouldn't mean that I should be subjected to that sort of criticism, because I've proven that I'm not like that.

If you don't want to have a conversation because you've already had several arguments with stubborn people, that's fine. But I'm telling you that I'm willing to hear what you have to say, I'm not a tyrant. If you have points that I agree with or arguments that make sense that I can't disagree with, I'll tell you and we can come to a middleground. Personally, I don't think there's a reason to lower the requirement down to 150, because all it does is devalue the weapons making them more accessible for the common man. The weapons are known for being hard to get and being an achievement, now obviously just because they were hard to get now doesn't mean that it can't change. Pirate Legend used to take a couple months to get, and now you can do it in 2 weeks, if they do devalue the weapon it's their own loss.

I don't want that to happen, but as long as I get my special weapon I'll be okay with the change. I still don't want it to happen, same with pirate legend, I want these things to be something special and something that means something. I don't want this to be a game where every achievement is easy to get and worthless because there are hundreds of thousands of players who already have it. If they were to lower it to 150, I would be upset because that's just another thing that they've devalued in order to appeal to the common folk, but as long as I get my special weapon because I got triumphant before the change, I would be less upset.

@kaijoi I never meant to say you were not a critical thinker, that’s my bad. And also very very good points. I’m against changing the commendation but I never meant to cause an argument or call you stupid

@j0hnfrum I never said I wanted time limited stuff to come back. And just because you’ve been playing a long time doesn’t mean you’re good at the game.

@j0hnfrum I don't know man. I could just duo sloop and tuck at the outpost and kill anyone who turns in the chest. that doesn't mean I'm good at the game.

@kaijoi its an imaginary gun skin quit pretending like its a trophy

@swiftthatch don't necro threads