Now before you go and comment "JuSt GeT GoOd" or "ThAt'S JuSt HoW ThE GaMe Is SuPpOsEd To Be PlAyEd, It'S A PaRt Of ThE ExPeRiEnCe" just here me out. I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE EXPERIENCE BUT I HATE IT HOW YOU CAN SPEND HOURS APON HOURS OF WORK AND THEN JUST LOSE IT ALL TO SOME SWEATY, TOXIC, GRIEFER WHO LIKES TO RUIN PEOPLE'S DAY! IF YOU WANT TO DO PVP THE PLAY ARENA MODE, THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR! IF YOU DON'T WANNA PLAY ARENA THEN TAKE IT OUT AND REPLACE IT WITH PRIVATE PVE SERVERS! AND IT ANGERS ME TO THE CORE WHEN THE DEVS PROMOTE THIS TOXIC BEHAVIOUR BY ADDING A TRADING COMPANY SPECIFICALLY TO PROMOTE PVP AND RUIN PEOPLE'S DAY! THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT IS RUINING THE GAME FOR CASUAL PEOPLE! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERY GAME NOWADAYS HAS TO HAVE PVP AND ONLY PVP, WHERE'S THE PVE!? I DON'T THINK THE DEVS ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME CASUALLY AND UNDERSTAND HOW FRUSTRATING IT CAN BE TO LOSE ALL YOUR PROGRESS ALL BECAUSE THIS GAME REVOLVES AROUND PVP! ALL IM ASKING IS TO JUST ADD PRIVATE SERVERS THAT LET YOU TO BE ABLE TO EARN REP, GOLD, DUBLOONS, AND ACCOMODATIONS! OR AT LEAST CHANGE THE OPEN PVP MECHANIC SO THAT YOU HAVE TO CHALLENGE SOMEBODY TO A FIGHT IN ORDER TO DEAL DAMAGE TO THAT PLAYER! I KNOW IT MIGHT SOUND LIKE "EASY MODE" BUT THAT'S WHAT SOME PEOPLE WANT, THEY WANT AN OPTION TO AVOID PVP SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME WITHOUT GETTING SUNK OR ATTACKED BY ANOTHER PLAYER! MOST OF THE TIME PLAYERS JUST DECIDE "OH IM GOING TO ATTACK HIM, STEAL ALL HIS HOURS OF PROGRESS, RUIN HIS DAY, AND ULTIMATELY MAKE THIS GAME LOSE PLAYERS DUE TO MOST PEOPLE SWEATING THEIR BOTTOMS OFF AND ATTACKING CASUAL PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME FOR FUN! IF YOU WANT TO DO PVP PLAY A DAMN COMPETITIVE GAME LIKE COD, OR RAINBOW SIX SIEGE! DO YOU KNOW HOW ANGERING IT IS TO BE SUNK BY A TALKING FETUS AND LOSE ALL YOUR LOOT! THIS IS CLEARLY A PROBLEM AND THE DEVS NEED TO RESPOND TO IT, THEY CANT JUST ADD A USELESS GAME MODE AND THINK, "yay!, no more sweats because they will all be playing arena mode!" WRONG WRONG WRONG, I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU WHERE YOU ARE WRONG! THE DEVS NEED TO SATISFY ALL PLAYERS AND NOT JUST THE ONE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR PVP AND COMPETITION!
The PVP is a problem.
@racismcat all caps, nearly no punctuation. Ill just reply to the title. Its not a problem. This is a PvEvP game. If you have a problem with this, you do not understand the vision of Sea of Thieves.
Sorry, have a nice day.
@racismcat
You are clearly upset, so here's what I want you to do, take a couple hours and cool off, then come back with a clear head and read what I have to say.DEVS PROMOTE THIS TOXIC BEHAVIOUR BY ADDING A TRADING COMPANY SPECIFICALLY TO PROMOTE PVP AND RUIN PEOPLE'S DAY!
Toxic behavior? Please go google, COD Modern Warfare voicechat Then come back and tell me if this is, "toxic."
Many angry gamers come to the forums and say that they want a PvE only mode, here's why it will never work and why it will never be added. If you are truly wanting to know why things are the way they are, read this in its fullest. If you are just here to complain, then skip it and stay mad.
Your idea has been posted many times of adding a PVE only server / a server for only friends / a server with only friendly people and no PvP. This is why this idea will never be implemented, and why it will never work:
Let's say you want to stack the FOTD 10 times, that will take you around 8 hours to do if you're quick. Would you rather go into a server where:
(1) You could be tucked on
(2) You could have your loot be stolen
(3) You waste 8 hours of work because a pirate boarded your ship
(4) You're always under constant threat that you could dieOR, would you rather be in a server where you are safe from all of those problems, and don't have to worry about some pirate stealing your loot?
90% of players will take the second option, because there is no reason to put yourself in a situation where bad things could happen when you could alternatively be completely safe from other players.
The problem with this is because 90% of players who do PVE missions will go to this private server, who's left on the normal servers? People who want to steal loot, but there's no loot to be stolen because everyone is off in fairyland completely safe from any problems that would arise. So all the PvPers leave the game, not to even mention that the most popular streamers have built their career by stealing loot. Pace22 would immediately leave the game because there's nothing left to steal, and many more streamers would leave, as well as most of their viewers, which means that SOT no longer has an internet presence. Now that all the news has gotten out that Sea of Thieves has a SEVERE drop in their playerbase, all of these articles will come out online saying things like,
"Sea of thieves is a bad game," and "Sea of Thieves doesn't care about it's playerbase."
So now that there is all of this stigma around SOT there will be no new players because there are only bad reviews. So people who want to buy Sea of Thieves won't, because there are all of these videos and articles saying that it's a bad game. So Sea of Thieves will no longer be getting an influx of new players, which also means that Rare won't make any money from people buying the game.
What do you do once you've reached 75/75/75/20? By that point you'll have all of the cosmetics, and with the emissary system you can easily get the highest level in a 2-3 months. People will get bored because they're not working towards anything, they already have everything in the game and the highest level in the game, what now? Most players who are max level would normally turn to stealing loot so they don't get bored, but because of PVE only servers that's not a thing anymore. Eventually all of those people will leave because there's no point for them to play anymore, so the only people who play SOT are a few hundred people who didn't get max level and only play Sea of Thieves for 2 hours a week.
Most people who play adventure mode don't play it because they want PvP and ship vs ship battles, if they wanted that they would go to arena. People play adventure because they like stealing loot, so you can't just get rid of the loot.
That's why adding PVE only servers are bad, the PvPers will leave, all of the streamers will leave, people will get bored, the internet starts hating on SOT, and then you have a dead game. Not to even mention the fact that the developers themselves have said many times that they want this game to be one where people of all ideologies can play together. The PVPers, PVEers and the RPers can all be in the same server together, and they will do everything they can to keep that in the game:
Developers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_yrN70591Q&feature=youtu.be&t=3578
There is no reason to pander to the couple thousand people who want PVE only servers, when you have hundreds of thousands of players who have bought and actively play the game because of the PVP factor. It doesn't make sense to change the game for a few, when the vast majority don't want that.
People are always upset that in a PVP game, which has PVP in it, which is advertised as having PVP, a game that has always had PVP since the beginning of it's existence, a game that YOU bought knowing full well it had PVP, has PVP.
People who think PVP doesn't belong in Sea of Thieves and complain that PVP is, "toxic," are the same type of people to play Minecraft and complain there are no guns.
If you've made it this far into the post then you're at least willing to hear reasons as to why things are the way they are, and because of that I'm going to give you some solutions to help in your voyages. Let's move past the whole idea of, "I want a PVE server," and accept that it will never happen, so that we can find solutions to make your time on Sea of Thieves better.
The first thing you can do would be to play with other people, I don't know your experience in the game but having more people is always better as you can keep 1 person in your crows nest as a lookout for incoming ships. Using the official Sea of Thieves discord, you can easily find likeminded people who are more than willing to play with you. The discord has over 160,000 players, and there are constantly requests to join people's crews, or people asking for players to join their crew. Discord link: https://discord.gg/seaofthieves
Now that you have some people to play with, ALWAYS keep someone as a watchguard, if you have 4 people on your crew, you can easily send one of you to stand watch in the crows nest and have the rest of you do the voyage. Another thing to keep in mind, there may be tuckers on your boat, people who park their boat behind a rock or an island, then take the 3 minute swim over to your boat. So always make sure that whenever you leave the island you were just at, have at least 1 person check around your ship for tuckers. I'm not going to bore you with every single tuck spot in the game, but in general equip a sword and slash the ship. The cannons, masts, wheel, sides of the ship, barrels, etc. Anywhere where someone could hide some of their body inside something, sword that area. If you hit them, they will stand up and there will be a sound effect letting you know that you hit something.
Whenever you load into a game, check the emissary tables next to the respective trading companies. If you see a tiny ship on the emissary table it means that someone is on your server doing that emissary, so if you see 4 people doing quests you may want to consider leaving that server as there are many people active. Always check the reaper's bones quest table, if there is a tiny ship on the emissary table or a reaper's marked ship on the map, leave the game as that ship has a high chance of trying to attack you and steal your loot. Try to minimize the risks before you even start your voyages.
Those are some of the tips I can give you, hopefully these will help you in your voyages to come. I understand that it can be annoying when pirates come over and take all of your loot, but the sooner you can accept that it's a part of the game, the sooner you can improve and become better at avoiding those situations. Who knows, you might become a PvPer yourself.
At the end of the day whether you want to add PvE servers or not, the developers themselves have said multiple times that they don't want to separate players into different servers. They want this game to be one where players of all groups, PvPers, PvErs, and RPers can all be in the same server together. The only thing that can change the developers vision for the game is if the community comes together and says that they want something different. That isn't happening, and they still have a very strong community in favor of PvPvE, so there's no point in trying to do something that could backfire into something very deadly.
The only way that SOT will add a PvE only server, is if a majority of the community says that they want PVE only servers, until that happens, a PVE only server will never be added. When you are the owner of a video game, you have to do what the majority of people want or you risk killing your game, and right now the majority of people do not want PvE only servers, so they aren't going to add them.
This game was MADE and is a game for PvPvErs, not for PvErs or people who just want to do missions and voyages without any threat whatsoever, the sooner you accept that this game was BUILT for PvPvE, then sooner you will be able to have fun in the game.
@captain-coel said in The PVP is a problem.:
@racismcat all caps, nearly no punctuation. Ill just reply to the title. Its not a problem. This is a PvEvP game. If you have a problem with this, you do not understand the vision of Sea of Thieves.
Sorry, have a nice day.
I think you might actually not be sorry...
@racismcat No PVP is not a problem. This is a PvEvP game, if you read anything about this game before you bought it you would know that. Also the devs have said they will never add Private Servers with progression. Happy Sailing!
@puggins7318 said in The PVP is a problem.:
@captain-coel said in The PVP is a problem.:
@racismcat all caps, nearly no punctuation. Ill just reply to the title. Its not a problem. This is a PvEvP game. If you have a problem with this, you do not understand the vision of Sea of Thieves.
Sorry, have a nice day.
I think you might actually not be sorry...
I am actually sorry that people dont have fun. The reason people tend to not have fun in this game is because they do not understand the game they are playing.
Hmm. Wonder if I was the 1 who sunk you tonight...
My friend and I were slooping it up, and I asked him what he wanted to do.
"I want to get in a fight!"
I was hesitant at 1st, but agreed to do it - but only if we were prepared. We stocked up at the outpost, at a fort, and an island for supplies. We got ourselves 2 ammo crates, a wood crate, a storage crate, and a harpoon rowboat. Oh, and about 8 gunpowder barrels (which were sadly taken out by the storm).
Once we put up our Reaper Emissary flag, and my OoS voyage for mileage, we were ready for anything.
While we were preparing, we kept a close eye on our mark - a lvl. 5 rival Reaper. Eventually, we were able to spot it, and learned that it was another sloop. We moved in, just as it moved towards us.
The fight was on!
We circled too and fro, exchanging shots, but my crewmate proved to be an amateur. We lost our mast, not once, not twice, but 3x! We even had to repel boarders not once, not twice! Well, okay twice...
...and then a skelly sloop and megalodon decided to join in for funsies.
We fought hard, repairing, and exchanging fire, and watching the skelly ship constantly switch targets.
During the prolonged engagement, the other sloop sank the skelly ship, and we sailed close to an island to thwart the meg.
The other ship, in an act if desperation, tried to ram us. We stopped it dead in its tracks with an anchorball, and my crewmate unloaded straight down its central line while I boarded. I struck down the enemy on their own vessel, while my crewmate tracked a straggler swimming in the water. Claiming victory after the disappearance of the swimmer, we circled around to collect the loot.
Their lvl. 5 RBE flag, a lvl. 4 MA flag, and so much loot it took us 20 minutes to get it all on board. Just picking it up sent us from lvl. 2 to lvl. 5, so we hightailed it all of the way to the Hideout to cash in. All in all, a good haul that netted us ~126,125 gold. I went from lvl. 41 to 43 under the RB when all was said and done. My crewmate said it was the biggest single robbery he had achieved to date. We ended happily on that high note.
You have to remember, it's not about the gold, it's about the glory!
If you want that glory, you have to plan, be prepared, be wary, and fight for what's yours - because if you don't, it becomes theirs.
Why is it acceptable someone call himself a racism cat?
Why nobody cares for the insults in the post?
Why do people ever answer this?Gonna uncap the main post just to make it easier for everyone, also fix some grammar issues as well.
OP's Post
Now before you go and comment "Just get good" or "That's just how the game is supposed to be played, it's a part of the experience", just hear me out.I know it's part of the experience but I hate it how you can spend hours upon hours of work and then just lose it all to some sweaty, toxic, griefer who likes to ruin people's day! If you want to PVP, play the Arena Mode, that's what it's for! If you don't wanna play Arena, then take it out and replace it with private PVE servers!.
It angers me to the core when the devs promote this toxic behaviour by adding a trading company specifically mode to promote PVP and ruin people's day! This is a problem that is ruining the game for casual players! I don't understand why every game nowadays has to have PVP and only PVP, where's the PVE!?
I don't think the devs actually play the game casually and understand how frustrating it can be to lose all of your progress all because this game revolves around PVP! All I'm asking of you is to just add private servers that allows to you earn reputation, gold, doubloons and commendations, or alternatively change the PVP mechanic so that you have to challenge somebody to fight in order to deal damage to that player!
I know it might sound like "Easy Mode" but that's what some people want, they want an option to avoid PVP so they can actually play the game without getting sunk or attacked by another player! Most of the time players just decide "Oh i'm going to attack him, steal all his hours of progress and ruin his day". This results in the game losing more players due to most people sweating and attacking casual players who just want to play the game for fun!
If you want to do PVP, play a damn competitive game like Call of Duty or Rainbow Six Siege! Do you know how angering it is to be sunk by a talking foetus and lose all of your loot! This is clearly a problem and the devs need to respond to it, they can't just add a useless game mode and think "Yay! no more sweats because they will all be playing arena mode!". Wrong, wrong wrong!
I can't even begin to tell you where you are wrong! The devs need to satisfy all players and not just the ones who are looking for PVP and competition!
Hope it helps make it easier to read.
@racismcat said in The PVP is a problem.:
THE DEVS NEED TO SATISFY ALL PLAYERS AND NOT JUST THE ONE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR PVP AND COMPETITION!
Have you heard of the phrase 'target audience?
PvP in a shared open world PvEvP game is not a problem.
Big wall of texts that are in caps and calling people toxic griefers for sinking you on the other hand is. Also that name you choose for yourself says it all... Toxic people are an issue, but it just seems to me that you are part of them.
#BeMorePirate be a good sport in victory and loss. All pirates accept that they will encounter pirates out on the seas, will they be foes or friendlies... everyone has the freedom to choose. We all know that conflict, battle and sneaky plays are part of the game.
I can understand your frustration, no one likes losing loot that they've worked for. But it's all apart of the fun! You win some, you lose some.
If you're going to buy a PVP game then you're going to run into players that are potentially looking for a fight. If you don't want to have any form of confrontation, one person stays on the lookout and the other one goes and gets the chest, take it in turns.
If you see a ship heading towards you, immediately run. One steers and the other one keeps the sails in the wind and the opposing ship can never catch up. If they chase you for too long do what I do when I'm doing Athena and REALLY dont want to lose it... lead them to another ship that's docked or in the area. Works perfectly for me and the only important ship (Mine) survives and my loot too. Knowing the ship that was out to get me is still in the same server, I sell up, drop flag and switch (In case they start to out-right look for me)
People can demand on the forums that a PVE server "needs to happen" but it wont ever happen. It was never on Rare's radar of being implemented into the game and it never will. Your only solution is to learn from your lesson, establish what went wrong and what you could do to avoid it next time.
@racismcat pvp does not equal toxicity contrary to belief majority of toxic people i met are the people who doesn't want to fight
its "you f..leave us alone" or "f.. off try hard"
not to mention some racism and sexism on the side
im not denying the fact both sides can be toxic they sure can
but being one of the people who do pvp and still says "good game" or "well played"
even being one of the few who's showed mercy on people who do not know how to play properly i'll kill them and sail away while they respawn as to prevent them from coming after
the whole "pvper's are all toxic thats why we need pve mode" is a big farce
i've been sunk by respectable pirates and i've sunk as an respectable pirate and vice versa
but i know you are using toxicity as a reason for pve mode to exist and heavily exagerate that reason
when the fact is you only got sunk and had loot you didn't want to lose
it happens it isn't real money and all that loot lost can be regained aslong as you don't waste time complaining about it
@racismcat sagte in The PVP is a problem.:
Now before you go and comment "JuSt GeT GoOd" or "ThAt'S JuSt HoW ThE GaMe Is SuPpOsEd To Be PlAyEd, It'S A PaRt Of ThE ExPeRiEnCe" just here me out. I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE EXPERIENCE BUT I HATE IT HOW YOU CAN SPEND HOURS APON HOURS OF WORK AND THEN JUST LOSE IT ALL TO SOME SWEATY, TOXIC, GRIEFER WHO LIKES TO RUIN PEOPLE'S DAY! IF YOU WANT TO DO PVP THE PLAY ARENA MODE, THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR! IF YOU DON'T WANNA PLAY ARENA THEN TAKE IT OUT AND REPLACE IT WITH PRIVATE PVE SERVERS! AND IT ANGERS ME TO THE CORE WHEN THE DEVS PROMOTE THIS TOXIC BEHAVIOUR BY ADDING A TRADING COMPANY SPECIFICALLY TO PROMOTE PVP AND RUIN PEOPLE'S DAY! THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT IS RUINING THE GAME FOR CASUAL PEOPLE! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERY GAME NOWADAYS HAS TO HAVE PVP AND ONLY PVP, WHERE'S THE PVE!? I DON'T THINK THE DEVS ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME CASUALLY AND UNDERSTAND HOW FRUSTRATING IT CAN BE TO LOSE ALL YOUR PROGRESS ALL BECAUSE THIS GAME REVOLVES AROUND PVP! ALL IM ASKING IS TO JUST ADD PRIVATE SERVERS THAT LET YOU TO BE ABLE TO EARN REP, GOLD, DUBLOONS, AND ACCOMODATIONS! OR AT LEAST CHANGE THE OPEN PVP MECHANIC SO THAT YOU HAVE TO CHALLENGE SOMEBODY TO A FIGHT IN ORDER TO DEAL DAMAGE TO THAT PLAYER! I KNOW IT MIGHT SOUND LIKE "EASY MODE" BUT THAT'S WHAT SOME PEOPLE WANT, THEY WANT AN OPTION TO AVOID PVP SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME WITHOUT GETTING SUNK OR ATTACKED BY ANOTHER PLAYER! MOST OF THE TIME PLAYERS JUST DECIDE "OH IM GOING TO ATTACK HIM, STEAL ALL HIS HOURS OF PROGRESS, RUIN HIS DAY, AND ULTIMATELY MAKE THIS GAME LOSE PLAYERS DUE TO MOST PEOPLE SWEATING THEIR BOTTOMS OFF AND ATTACKING CASUAL PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME FOR FUN! IF YOU WANT TO DO PVP PLAY A DAMN COMPETITIVE GAME LIKE COD, OR RAINBOW SIX SIEGE! DO YOU KNOW HOW ANGERING IT IS TO BE SUNK BY A TALKING FETUS AND LOSE ALL YOUR LOOT! THIS IS CLEARLY A PROBLEM AND THE DEVS NEED TO RESPOND TO IT, THEY CANT JUST ADD A USELESS GAME MODE AND THINK, "yay!, no more sweats because they will all be playing arena mode!" WRONG WRONG WRONG, I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU WHERE YOU ARE WRONG! THE DEVS NEED TO SATISFY ALL PLAYERS AND NOT JUST THE ONE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR PVP AND COMPETITION!
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[mod edited]Also if you want PvE only, go play on alliance servers.
Hi @RacismCat,
While it is clear players have strong feelings on this issue please refrain from using all caps. As it can make the post difficult to read and can be inflammatory. In addition since there are other open posts on this subject I have locked this one. Please check to see if there are other posts on a subject before posting a new one.
Thanks!
