Swords need to be Balanced

Imho it's all fine and maybe the most balanced state we ever had.

That there is a low skillgap is by intention, because they want all kind of players to be competetive somehow.

This game is more about a pirate adventure than a serious competetive game.
I see Arena can let people get the idea of that.
But Arena is just an additional mode barely anyone plays and manywhp play it cheese it to be something else, to make it worthwhile.
This shows the serious competetive gamer is expecting too much from SoT.

@scurvywoof

What do i have to rethink, i dont get it?!

Rare stated they want to be a

Welcoming community to all kind of players regardless of skill, gender, age, ethnie....

So no high skill gap wanted.
It's a casual, teen and family friendly game.

I think if Rare banned someone it's deserved for whatever reason.
And if someone gets banned for wrong i bet they can clear it up.

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@bugaboo-bill said in Swords need to be Balanced:

Imho it's all fine and maybe the most balanced state we ever had.
That there is a low skillgap is by intention, because they want all kind of players to be competetive somehow.
This game is more about a pirate adventure than a serious competetive game.
This shows the serious competetive gamer is expecting too much from SoT.

While I believe that sword is not in desperate need of a nerf. I do think it should be changed and btw incase you didn't realise bringing x cancelling back will make sword better. Also while I am fairly good at the game I'm am nowhere near competitive level or try to play competitively. I also realise this game is not meant to be played competitively, but even casual games have and need skill gaps. They need it otherwise the game would cease to work or be fun.

There is a low skillgap, my 14yo daughter cannot beat me :-D

Animation canceling is exploiting intended mechanics like we had with the block lunge jump hit without any stunlock penalty.
Bad to have, not good if you want casuals be competetive and not desperated losers becoming sour.

@scurvywoof

Really half of the good players?
I doubt that.

A good way to make combat more piratish in general would be to make the cutlass mandatory.

@sot-player30 sagte in Swords need to be Balanced:

@bugaboo-bill If you are quoting the code of conduct it didn't mention skill in there just other things here. "Sea of Thieves is a game for everyone regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality, creed or disability. Treat everyone with respect. Diversity only enriches this larger-than-life pirate community of ours and makes Sea of Thieves’ world a far more interesting one to explore. When we all play, everyone wins." Here it is if you want to look. https://www.seaofthieves.com/code-of-conduct And Yes I know it says to be welcoming to new players but that doesn't mean lowering the skill gap so after a few weeks of playing they can kill experienced players.

I got the quote from the WB thread iirc posted by Dev S0nicbob.

@scurvywoof sagte in Swords need to be Balanced:

@bugaboo-bill Cutlass mandatory, eh? Rare has said they aren’t tweaking double gun anymore. And yes, if you read books, exaggeration is a term used to make writing more appealing. Btw, if your 14 yr old daughter can’t beat you, then that’s probably because she’s bad, no offence, but it prob true.

of course true, and to have her still be somewhat competetive and give her a chance to beat me and others there is a low skillgap. So she can play and have fun too and wont lose all their fights. But i have to admit she already gave up :D

Also, there is no fun if everyone is as good as you.

thats never the case. I once made that Pong comparison. Pong is dumb easy, its only reaction. Everybody can learn it, there is no real skill involved, but to have fast recation and precise movement of your block.
Is there a skillgap? No everybody can learn it to move the block up and down, yet players with more practice and more experience will beat any other player.
So to win and shine with skill it need not a deeper, more complex or so combat mechanics.
From my experience it is very hard to balance this stuff. Mostly it's imbalanced.
Cutlass mandatory would add more balance as DG is very powerfull in several situation, but has also some disadvantages. The swap between too shots imho needs to be prolonged a little, to me ttk is too low. But i'm fine they leave it as it is now.

I get it, you would know, you PvE more than anything.

aha :D crystall ball? Order of Souls stuff? suspicious ^^

And, if there’s no challenge, where is the fun in that?

Well if there is no challenge to me anymore. because i am so good i'd say the game is not for me anymore so the request is legit to please you, but it doesnt fit the game and community as a whole. At least thats just my opinion i share with you.

I like being challenged, so do many other players.

Me too, no doubt, maybe this game is too casual for you and alike?
I think its good to have not all games be super competetive and hardcore, but also have some triple A titles for casuals, even or extra with PVP and such.

I like fighting good players and tdm’ing in arena.

Why did i know that? :D

As you implied, “Arena makes people have bad points when writing.”

i dont understand that sentence, sorry not my motherlanguage.

Have you even played arena?

very much rare as i dont like it, sandbox player and PVP for 20 years or so.
If i want Arena competition i play games made for that. Actually i like the Rogue Company Beta, i also played Valorant.
TBH i dont get people play TDM in Arena, it's the worst i can imagine that is fun to play. Bad hitreg, only 5 shots, if i watch streams or videos about it i only see people bunnyhopping and hoping for a lucky quickscope shot :D
Not my cup of tea.

You very ‘rarely’ get the right server and when you do, there is no one there. Btw, you need to rethink because Rare has still YET to present proper evidence of these people being, ‘toxic’ or ‘racist.’

well you cheese a game mode to make it more of what you like - i dont think Rare need to cater about that. I understand you want another game, but thats the same for people who demand PvE Servers.
I doubt Rare will change it soon as the Arena just got that 2.0 mode.
Dont get me wrong, when Arena was anounced i first hoped it is part of the adventure mode where 2 ships can get into some special rivalry.
when they said it's an extra mode i hoped for something like last ship afloat wins.
I completely dislike BR games, the mode is just not for me, but for SoT it would fit imho.
I long ago made the suggestion of the "unholy circle" a game we played back in the days.
Big circle, all versus all, you can ally, but in the end there can be only one winner.
some team up beat others, betray do whatever they like to win.
Whole Map, no encounters, shrinking shroud to push everyone to the Tavern in the middle of the Map where the last ships afloat try to win.

I’m sure you know that on Rare’s update video -the most recent one- you will find that Rare deleted comments asking why they banned a bunch of the tdm community.

I dont know, i'm sure and from all what i know that the players who got banned got banned for breaking the Code.
sure not all TDM players are toxic, not all pure PvPers are, but when we would make some statistics i bet the more toxic players are the more competetive ones who take it way too serious.

I get it, you like your sword, I’ve got no problem with that. But when swords hit from half a ship’s length and stop you from running to eat, you’d get frustrated too as it happens over and over.

I dont experience this that much, i also have barely any problems with blocking.
I dont say it's wrong, but if this is caused to latency and other issues nerfing the sword is the wrong way.

You know the cutlass was a wet noodle for a long time and DG'ers who missed their shots could get away eating and werent punished.
DG is a risky loadout, like a glascannon, hit your two shots and kill, miss and you are in trouble - that's all fine imho.

@scurvywoof i'd say both ;)

afaik some people made some bad insults to the Rocco Puppet (i dont watch streams, but i vagualey know what has happened and i also know there is huge difference in the way content creators act.
To me people who spawnkill for the sake of it, want to make others ragequit their server session, make jokes about kids and high pitched voices, trashtalk, swear and such dont act in correlation of any code or are contributing to a welcoming, family friendly pirate adventure game.

See i predicted Arena attracts a completely different type of players and it doesnt and has never fit together.

that was a can of worms Rare made up for more money and now they have to deal with it.

what is already toxic to me is business as usual in most if not all competetive online games.
I dont want that for SoT for many reasons.
I try to keep that spirit we had in the Alpha, Beta and year one.
We allways had some foul apples, but recently they got more and if there were no problem with toxicity i guess botswains and deckhands wouldnt have made their statements about it.