Stop forcing Cutlasses down our throats -_- (more combat options)

@herosade said in Stop forcing Cutlasses down our throats -_- (more combat options):

It basically strips the game away of its skill and it is sad to see how this game that is supposed to support plenty of play styles, stories and different views on things, to have such a single minded view on pirate to pirate combat.

...and yet you want to remove the ability to use the cutlass (another play style) in order to only support double gunners?!

@corkbottle Me wanting the cutlass to get nerfed means i want it removed? I just want more than one or two weapon combinations to be viable. Read my thread again mate, you have clearly missed something... -_-

I'm loving the duels now... now people are using sword more and less double gun

@herosade - To me, it sounds like you want the cutlass to be nerfed so double gunning outweighs any combat with the cutlass and therefore makes it an irrelevant playstyle.

@dr-dirty-dna - Agreed!

@dr-dirty-dna Correction, people are only using cutlasses. Or at least the ones who want to win (be viable). Also, did you just say to me that because they got buffed, now they are great? Double gun hasn't been a thing for over a year. So it means that now that your specific way is being buffed way out of proportion you suddenly love it? I also like sword dueling, but this has gone way out of hand.

@corkbottle Even though i have said thrice that i don't want any play style removed or be made non-viable, you still come at me saying "it sounds like"...? Mate, i explained to you that only thing i want is for more play styles to be viable. Just that. Not only have your way be made the only way to go around having successful PVP encounters -_- . Throw down your pride for once, don't make me out to be the bad guy here even though clearly i want something that will benefit everyone. And no, nerfing the cutlass by a bit doesn't mean that suddenly those players are not being catered for or have the double gunning meta come back...

@herosade - You're very defensive aren't you? I said "To me, it sounds like" - that's my interpretation of what you have written.

I'm certainly not trying to make you out to be the bad guy, just pointing out some flaws in you're argument. Don't try to twist the narrative to make yourself out to be a victim, we are all here to discuss our thoughts and opinions in a civilized manner.

@corkbottle You claim that i am actively trying to make myself the victim while being over-defensive, even though the first thing that you did while responding to my thoughts and opinions is to try and make it so i seem like i am promoting my own way of doing things while trying to diminish other's. You know what, maybe i am overreacting here. We are all human after all, its only normal to act up here or there. But can you tell me once again what arguments you have left? From my point of view your only one was that i want only one way to do PVP to be viable, which i quickly shut down as it is not true. So, what else? Can you still say that you disagree with my points even now that i have cleared some things up for everyone?

@herosade - Yes, I can still say that I disagree with your points, however I'm choosing not to continue with this discussion as I personally feel you wont be able to accept any constructive criticism provided from here on, I hope you have a good day friend :)

@herosade said in Stop forcing Cutlasses down our throats -_- (more combat options):

@dr-dirty-dna Correction, people are only using cutlasses. Or at least the ones who want to win (be viable). Also, did you just say to me that because they got buffed, now they are great? Double gun hasn't been a thing for over a year. So it means that now that your specific way is being buffed way out of proportion you suddenly love it? I also like sword dueling, but this has gone way out of hand.

I didn't say anything about buffs.. I always use a cutless it's what's pirates do.. I rather duels wield 😂... it's just better now I can have a sword fight rather then cutting down people who use only guns.. double gun and double gun exploit are different..

@corkbottle I would ask you to reconsider as with what you are currently doing makes me only believe that those "points" that you mentioned are nonexistent... It would probably be for the best if instead of trying to act like the civilized hero and uttering only one half thought argument and then denying to share any more, you should just lay everything beforehand and at least carry the conversation for more than 3 miserly replies. Whatever it may be, i mean no offense to you as an individual, good day and take care mate.

@dr-dirty-dna First off, i apologize if i came across as a bit harsh, i shouldn't. I also adore cutlasses and swords as i mentioned, and if sword combat was a bit more fleshed out and complex than just tapping the left click and occasionally holding the right, it would have been my main weapon for sure. I would strongly support a sword mechanics rework, where they become strong, skill expressive and more complex, but for how they will probably stay the same for the foreseeable feature i at least will settle down with a slight nerf. I just want to be able to do something with my Flintlock and EoR. The damned things are pilling up cobwebs on the armory xD. That's it really, i pretty much want an awesome cutlass dual but also a great gun squabble!

@herosade haha yea myself have put away the EoR for the blunder 😑 i need to adapt with each update lol

@dr-dirty-dna Oof, i know the feeling mate. Either way, thank you for stopping by. Take care and have fun sailing the seas!

Did you accidentally post this on the SoT forums? Did you mean to type this on Twitch?

There are situations for each weapon. The weapons are more balanced now than they ever have been. If you expect to cut down a galleon crew with pistol/sniper, and get mad that you can't anymore, you're gonna have a bad time.

@dislex-fx Hilarious. Wont bother.

@bugaboo-bill To start things of you need to realize how incredibly rude you are for no good reason what so ever. While reading your reply you never even attempt to think twice about your opinion of me or what i have to say in another way and instead try to make me out as the person who tries to make himself look like the veteran, who cries because an exploit is gone and so on and so forth. But alas i digress.

Lets go by everything you mentioned one by one. First off you mention that that each gun has its uses. Of course i agree as it is true, but as you can easily tell from the thread i am talking specifically about PVP. Of course in PVP the different weapons still have different play style, uses and strong points but with that being said for one to realize where i am getting, he must realize where the most amount of PVP is happening. As i clearly mentioned before it happens while a party or an individual attempts to board an enemy ship.

There the meta is quite simple. Watch the ladders with the blunderbuss and if the board successfully chase them around with swords. That's it. The worst part of it is that its not really balanced and no other option is given to you for you to switch your cutlass with a Flintlock for instance there. The sword not only does insane damage in quick succession, it also slows you down, interrupts any other animations such as raising the anchor or eating and giving time for that players teammate to come by and continue pummeling the enemy with the sword.

I cannot possibly be the only one having an issue with this absurd meta even though countless PVP players as well as streamers from Summit1g, Pace22, MasonLive etc. have voiced pretty much the same opinion. Same thing when i tried to share an opinion about the sloop and boarding. People would say that "i need to adapt", or that i need to learn something or the other. Mate, what if i don't want to use the cutlass? What if someone else doesn't want to use the cutlass? The game literally punishes them due to the fact that it is the go to way to do PVP. That can NEVER be good however you look at it.

Secondly regarding the whole DGE. I didn't mean for the exploit to come back but at the same time double gunning is so bad now that it doesn't work on a competitive standpoint. As i mentioned before, the cutlass makes it so that if you get hit you cannot run, you cannot eat and you cannot do any kind of other animation besides shoot or swing your sword. At the same time if you get hit by a Flintlock for instance you can easily go down the lower deck or behind and heal. Only an inexperienced or truly bad PVP player will get decimated by guns...

Furthermore i didn't intent to say that the exploit was removed for no reason, rather the viability of the combination. Before uttering "LOL!!!" or "..made me laugh..." you should maybe, just maybe think about what the other person is saying harder. I cannot simply accept that you think the sword meta right now to be any skill expressive or skill based... It is exactly as @Va-Hombre and @tossico94 mentioned, its PVP on easy mode.

You say nonsense as "then choose the right weapons for boarding and keep the guns for land combat!".
Dude what are you on about? Who does land combat? When and where does land combat take place? The majority of combat which is like 90% of the game's engagements happen on the seas and on ships, the so called boarding! People need to defend their loot or steal from others WHILE BOARDING. How can you not see that in that close quarters area which players will constantly find themselves on induces only one weapon combo!?

I wont even bother to respond to your last remark as you are clearly fishing to be the hero of the situation, putting the supposed "trashtalker" or doublegunner or the biased loser in its place. If you still think that i am biased, one-eyed and a crying baby then i have clearly failed to reach you with my words. How can you possibly say that shooting a gun takes close to no skill!!!!???. Or at least less than it takes to swing a cutlass? Do you not realize that the games' industry biggest e-sports revolve around gun aiming?

You keep blubbering nonsense about how i believe myself to be a pro yet all i want is inclusion for every play style which OBVIOUSLY Rare fails to achieve. How many updates and mechanic changes did the Cutlass gain compared to the Flintlock huh? Or let me guess, you don't even bother looking at patch notes, that's just how much you Mr. Founder care right? Not to mention the fact that you basically want a whole continent of a player base which is the "tryhards", competitive pirates or however else you wanna call it with your own words to be isolated while the game only attempts at catering to those first month playing friends or families. Don't you get that the whole cutlass meta revolves around giving only such players an immediate advantage with making the skill cap infinitely lower with how OP the most SIMPLISTIC weapon's damage is?

Whatever it may be i sincerely hope that most of the things you said were simply rushed out thoughts, or simply you wrote what you wrote in a bad time because if you truly mean what you said, you have just made me lose hope for this community with the pure amount of nonsense you just let escape your mouth...

@tossico94 If only people could just realize that... -_-
The worst thing is that multiple people think we want the cutlass as a whole to not be viable, when in reality we (or at least i) want more than one weapon to be viable or at least not this OP...

@bugaboo-bill You seem to be talking with a non-existent person. You interpret what i am say wrong, again and again, while answering to them with stuff i have already said i support. Don't you see how that makes your arguments moot? You say that there shouldn't be one meta, which is the point of the whole thread. You try to explain to me how blocking and evading is the counter play to the cutlass which means you have to play with the cutlass to counter the cutlass. That's the biggest sign that the meta is really one sided.

Why is DG a absurd meta..? If you mean the past DGE then i can agree, although to have it in this current state of non-viability is also absurd. Also, do you have some complex against referring to other content creators who share a same opinion? These people have been here and doing PVP for as long as you and me. Their opinion is just as valid. The reason i even mentioned their names is that it is a lot easier for me to prove their support with just one post of a link compared to people i come across the seas who also share the same opinion...

Don't use the DG meta. That simple. Rare can make it balanced but it need to co-exist with the cutlass. With how things are now DG is not viable and only one meta strives. Why not have BOTH play styles be viable? Is this something that is not achievable? If the previous state of DG was too hard to balance then sure, change the mechanics around a bit, nerf it, rework it, but not make it like it is today...

I cannot simply swing or shoot, because if they swing first and i cannot block for reason A or B, the one who attacks first with the cutlass wins as it interrupts your swinging animation... I also find it hilarious that when i said that: " Only an inexperienced or truly bad PVP player will get decimated by guns...", you thought i was speaking in general. You bloody buffoon... I was referring to the current way of things... With how under-powered the guns are in this CURRENT state of the game it is actually pretty hard for a senior PVP-er to be on the losing side of a duel if the enemy uses DG. But of course you wouldn't know, PVE is written all over your face...

Furthermore the argument you try to bring up that PVP is done at outposts, the Reaper's Hideout and FoTD is insane and ignorant. Not that it is false, land combat can happen everywhere and the plethora of those times it does happen on those specific locations and as i just mentioned it only counts for 10% of the PVP encounters. That kind of combat happens only if someone is trying to make a "tucc" play or simply had someone roll up to them on the island that they were unaware of... Again, this happens so rarely that it shouldn't count towards anything. I can't remember a single instance of any of these happening anytime in the past 2 months or so.

Also please stop with the "giggle", "shrug" etc. It is insanely cringy... -_-

I never said i want to dominate close quarters with ranged weapons. How can you still after exchanging words with me believe that, that is what i am fishing for. For the last time, i want multiple metas, a plain skill floor and everyone to have fun! Not just the tryhards, not just the casuals, not just everyone in-between, EVERYONE.

Don't let this game go to ruin because you and the rest of the community want the developers to cater only to the casuals. The same EXACT tactic has ruined an amazing amount of games like H1Z1, Battlefront 1 and 2, League, CS:GO, Mario Party, Overwatch and so, so many more...

Do you know what is the saddest part? That i understand your POV, and in reality i agree with your points. What is happening here is that 1st: You are completely unable to understand my POV and what i stand for, which you opt out to just assume things and go for this masked justice warrior gig. And 2nd: You have a clear bias towards DG, shooters, e-sports, PVP in general and competitive players. It is so bad that even hearing anything relating to guns or shooting immediately triggers you beyond belief. And as a little extra i can clearly also spot that you have had a really bad experience with DG who used to use the exploit and now you take out all that rage onto me. Not healthy mate...

(EDIT: When the hell did specifically say that i want less-skilled players to stop playing the game or have less fun than me? Like... waht...)

Agreed, cutlass takes 0 skill in PvP

I love the argument that cutlass need 0 skill but who tf is walking at 0 distance with weapon vs a sword?
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In Which spamming Mouse1 and/or M2/M2+spacebar to block/dodge is less skilled than M1+M2/2/M1 with DG meta?