I don't know if its just me but recently alot of people have started going into the red.
It usually starts with us seeing them and going after them to find out they have loot.
Then they usually go against wind and try to bored and fail 99% of the time.
After this they just go into the red and get the black screen so we can't get the loot.
This has not only lost me alot of time and loot its something quite stupid to be in the game cause no matter how much time you spend trying to get there loot its impossible unless you happen to have a shroud breaker on you at all times .
I would like to see a fix to this by making the loot teleport outside the red when it sinks so that people can't just make there loot dissapear from the game so no one gets it. Whether you choose to do it that way or not I would like to see someway to get the loot none the less. :)
Fix The Red
@dynico101 if I decide to rather sink the loot in the red sea, than you have it, it is my right to do that so...
I don't consider this to be much of an issue as it has been a rarity for the crew and I.
While a small minority of players will utilize the shroud to try and escape, even less will go straight for the barrier. We have had a handful attempt to reach the barrier with maybe 2 actually reaching it. If we know we can't catch them before the edge, backing off tends to get them feel they have a chance and they will work their way out of the shroud on their own.
Lore wise, it makes sense. The Devils Shroud is impassible apart from the one known route near Thieves Haven. It crushes ships the further they venture in, eventually destroying the vessel with no chance of survival. That is emulated in the game with how the Devils Shroud is implemented. You take damage and eventually reach a point of no return, nothing can be salvaged as nothing is meant to venture so far into the shroud and survive.
All that said, regardless of why people do it, I am fine with it being an option available to players.
Don't expect this to persuade anyone, just my thoughts on it.
Also:
Stop players from sailing into the shroud by dropping their loot on the edge!Ahh the age old "if i can't have it neither can you" strat.
I'll do this on occasion to spite a crew that's been chasing me while i'm solo for an extended period of time.
Out side that this strat i reserve for those crews you meet that like to do nothing but cuss and throw slurs your way. I'll taunt them to give chase, waste their time a bit then laugh profusely at the top of my lungs when they rage about not being able to obtain the loot.@brick782 sagte in Fix The Red:
I mean, a "simple" solution that I could think of is that from the point a ship enters the red sea, or decently close to where the ship goes down, the loot could spawn on the edge of the map in a safe area.
There's a simple solution for that too, if they would implement your suggestion:
Driving into the red sea and throw everything into the water by hand...so there is nothing to float up from the sunken ship
This isn't really all that big of an issue, at least I dont think it is. If you wernt able to catch up to the ship that is your problem. Why should loot be handed over to you? I do not agree with sailing off the map, just had a ship do that last night and was actually trying to give them treasure lol but whatever. If you see a ship you want to steal from then its all on you to catch it and take it and if you fail you fail. Part of PvP is catching your prey, you can be the best fighter on the sea but if you lack skills to catch your prey then you do not deserve reward. People can do what they please with loot on their ship even if it means destroying it.
This is just my unbiased opinion as like I said I do not personally agree with it.
By the way there is already an active discussion going on about this in another thread where you will find all kinds of opinions. Link:https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/114724/stop-players-from-sailing-into-the-shroud-by-dropping-their-loot-on-the-edge/137
@schwammlgott in a game where the purpose is to sink people and steal loot having a feature that deletes loot adds nothing only takes away.
@dynico101 sagte in Fix The Red:
@schwammlgott in a game where the purpose is to sink people and steal loot having a feature that deletes loot adds nothing only takes away.
It gives the player who sinks his ship, so you can't get the loot, a good feeling, because you didn't get it...that's enough for some people...
@schwammlgott it doesn't matter they go into the red just so people can't have there loot , if you don't want people having your loot play a different game it's a pirate game.
@dynico101 said in Fix The Red:
@schwammlgott it doesn't matter they go into the red just so people can't have there loot , if you don't want people having your loot play a different game it's a pirate game.
uuuuuh...wasn't that the ENTIRE POINT of burying treasure? To make sure other people couldn't have your loot. That seems pretty "Pirate-y" to me.
@dynico101 sagte in Fix The Red:
@schwammlgott it doesn't matter they go into the red just so people can't have there loot , if you don't want people having your loot play a different game it's a pirate game.
I never said, I do it that way...I'm just defending this strategy
@dynico101 said in Fix The Red:
@xx-mirth-xx yea but why leave maps?
because I pirate, my treasure, no want you have.
@schwammlgott said in Fix The Red:
@dynico101 if I decide to rather sink the loot in the red sea, than you have it, it is my right to do that so...
I disagree, it is flat out being a bad sport and against the rules of conduct.
The red sea is the border of the map, it is made inaccessible because they had to do something. Denying people the ability to retrieve the loot from a sunken ship is not the idea of it.
Sorry, but frankly if you cannot be a good sport if you deny people their prize for beating you. Out run them, hide it, sail circles for hours, scuttle, deny them the fight, do drop off selling.. outplay them by playing, you don't have to follow their lead. Just leaving the play area, the game world.. with the purpose of denying them the treasure is not good sportsmanship.
"Be a good sport. Sea of Thieves is a pirate game, and stealth, stealing and battles are all part of the fun. All pirates on the seas accept that, but be a good sportsman in both victory and loss."
The intent of denying others the treasure is edging towards griefing, as the intent is to deny people their prize or enjoyment.
"I am the Captain of my ship, not blackbeard. I am the master of my own fate, not blackbeard."
I choose what happens. If I wanna sail into the pit of the Red Sea and lose everything, while not letting anyone have it. So be it. It my choice.....tho I like to keep a rowboat on hand and "secretly" row away while the give chase.
Annoy me with a pursuit? I'll annoy you back by making sure the chase is your only reward. I will sail into the wind for hours on my solo sloop. Eventually I will run into the red and you don't get loot. If I even have any.
I like the sailing around part. You're just giving me a cause to lol.
The Red is perfect. Please don't change it.
@pithyrumble yet your only reward would be realising we have a shroudbreaker and you just sunk your ship for us
Lol, I really don't get these arguments.
there's really two options here:
- You chase someone who instantly heads for the red sea. You've wasted 10-15 minutes max here. Sorry you didn't get a reward for following someone into the red sea
- You chase someone for 30-45min, maybe an hour and then they head into the red sea. Yeah, that sucks, you "wasted" your time. No, you should have been better and not taken more than 30 minutes to sink them.
Know when to fold.
@notlark11 said in Fix The Red:
@pithyrumble yet your only reward would be realising we have a shroudbreaker and you just sunk your ship for us
The shroudbreaker only works in the NE corner of the map. Duh.
@pithyrumble Last time I checked (around 3 months ago) the shroudbreaker works in all red sea. also saying "Duh" makes you seem like a cocky PvE lord.
@dynico101 I'll tell you the same thing I tell people asking for safe spaces/PvE servers or the like. The treasure is not yours until you secure it and turn it in. If you fail to secure it before they make the "sail of defiance" or complete their own take on the Kobayashi Maru, then you did not deserve it.
You want the treasure then you need to step up your game, simple as that. Just because you invested time and effort in the pursuit only to come up short is no reason for you to ask for the loot to be delivered to you on a silver platter because you managed to corner someone on the edge of the map but failed to actually catch them.
@DYNICO101 there is already a topic about this but i totaly agree with you. they should make it so people can't despawn there loot. you either sell it or lose it.
@dlchief58 said in Fix The Red:
@dynico101 I'll tell you the same thing I tell people asking for safe spaces/PvE servers or the like. The treasure is not yours until you secure it and turn it in. If you fail to secure it before they make the "sail of defiance" or complete their own take on the Kobayashi Maru, then you did not deserve it.
You want the treasure then you need to step up your game, simple as that. Just because you invested time and effort in the pursuit only to come up short is no reason for you to ask for the loot to be delivered to you on a silver platter because you managed to corner someone on the edge of the map but failed to actually catch them.
You aren't some expert sailor for running into the wind with a sloop, it isn't a matter of "being outsailed", it's throwing a tantrum and deciding that if you can't have your loot, nobody can.
You cant sink your loot, you cant bury it, and you shouldn't be able to sail it off the map. All of the loot on the map is fair game until it's turned in, and if you're not going to turn it in, the people who made you ragequit rather than fight them deserve it more than you.
@notlark11 said in Fix The Red:
@pithyrumble Last time I checked (around 3 months ago) the shroudbreaker works in all red sea. also saying "Duh" makes you seem like a cocky PvE lord.
Check again sailor. Oh and my bad, hu durrrrr, I am a cocky pve lord.
So uh... pics or it didn't happen
Liar.
Don't smack talk me n00b.
Would like to point out, Shroudbreaker ONLY works in the NE region, to reach Tribute Peak. I am a PVE Goddess. Go back to Black Flag.
I have spoken...
@archangel-timmy said in Fix The Red:
I don't consider this to be much of an issue as it has been a rarity for the crew and I.
Agreed. Basically all I do in this game is pvp, and I probably have more playtime than 99% of the playerbase. I have only run into one ship ever that did this. I feel like this would be something they should consider fixing if it happened more, but I have a hard time believing it's really that common.
@yagotvevo
It is.
(It's in an issue in that people are doing it, not saying that they should "fix the red".)There's people that I just sail by and not even in render distance and they just book it for the red.
Wasn't even gonna chase them, but there they went.Been guilty of a similar thing myself.
Saw some Grade I Emissary throw up an alliance flag, and I remember what happened the last time I was in an alliance, so I turned around and booked it for the red sea lol.
