Xbox only frustration.

"You can dress a pig in a suit to look human, but it still a pig"
So yeah...just because you like everyone who plays on Pc (some not all) use a controller doesnt mean your on an Xbox console.

@xultanis-dragon

If you cannot play with your friends on Xbox your friends should play with you with all players. Nothing wrong with pc players and Xbox players together. I play pc now and my Xbox friends can join me. But I cannot join them. If they are your friends they should play with you.

@xultanis-dragon said in Xbox only frustration.:

@krogie666

Unfortunately every single Xbox player will say its that its unfair for PC to play on xbox even though the hardware doesn't add any real advantage.

Except the mouse adds a huge advantage. It makes aiming much easier.

@xultanis-dragon Actually, some servers, when the Xbox-only setting is set up, there are some PC players in anyway.

@krogie666 PC players also have faster load time. Most Xbox players are pretty annoyed about that fact. Sucks for them. Personally, I think PC players are pretty much the same, with a small advantage of being faster.

@krogie666

The people that are calling it unfair because you have different specs, are the same people that will defend that xbox console versions have different specs or the new generation that is coming up. There is no use in discussing with them, as they own the latest xbox, are selfish and they just want to express their hate towards people based on a material ownership of a machine: PC people are the worst or something. I had pages on pages of conversation with these individuals, it isn't worth your effort.

The opt out is not about fair play, it is not about controller versus keyboard and mouse, it is not about Xbox verus PC. Rare and Microsoft added the controller only Xbox option to appease the fanboy Xbox users that are unhappy that their exclusive club is becoming more inclusive. It was a business decision, it has no real basis in logic or reason from a game-play point of view... maybe at some point they will adapt it and implement controller only for all to indicate it is input based, but even if they announce that it will take a year to implement most likely.

@xultanis-dragon sagte in Xbox only frustration.:

If you are running into players with aimbots and what not, that is xbox players so congrats on that. If you are running into players you believe are using M&K that is xbox players using M&K by hacking the system.

I have to correct you on this because this answer straight out not corret at all.

First. Hackers by definition are not existend on Xbox Live since the Xbox One released (was a thing on xbox 360 since that ones system was jailbreaked), since the Xbox Ones software is a closed system which always get keept up to date with the latest system driver update and is allways synchronised with the cloud, it cant run any unferified thirdparty content/software such as aimbots, wallhacks etc. in any games, Apps etc. The only way to install thirdparty software on your xbox, is to turn it into developer mode, thing is here that as soon you do that your are moving in a closed Sandbox inside this Developermode and cant start any Apps/Games besides the one you developing at that moment(has to be registered ofcourse). Unless the Xbox One ever gets jailbroken, which i doubt, we wont see any stuff like that coming from Xbox User.

Second: Using M/K in a game which not official supports it or limit its use by Matchmaking like Sea of Thieves on Xbox is not hacking at all rather people buying a Xim adapter which conferts M/K singnals into a Controller signal, which just lets your console think you using a controller if in reality you not, this might can considererd as cheating like using a Chronosmax adapter for a shooter like Cod or BF, but definetly not Hacking by definition.

No offense to you, just had to put that straight since thats gets to often taken wrong.

@lc-slyder if you are using an external extension, even a hardware one to by-pass the restrictions the game places on you: Which you are choosing to play, as the game flat out supports Mouse and Keyboard on Xbox!

"Hacking" is altering an existing system to behave in a different way than the agreed upon set of rules. Whether that is a software hack, altering code, running third party programs or a hardware hack, installing extensions, chips, etc. in the end you are cheating by using external systems to alter the agreed upon rule set.

The intent when joining the Opt-Out with a mouse and keyboard is to avoid the restrictions placed on it, to gain an unfair advantage over others and not to play by the rules that the option has set out. There is a reason why people don't want it to be detected, they aren't using the Microsoft official supported implementation to by-pass the security checks.

If I would run a program to make the system believe my PC is an Xbox, I would also be cheating and I doubt you would think that is simply "Not hacking by definition", just because I am tricking the system to believe I am something I am not = the definition of hacking!

No offense to you, but you have no idea what you are talking about and are making excuses for people that hack and cheat in games.

@cotu42 im sorry if you might missunderstood me, im not meaning the definition of word it self rather what most people think of that when they hear about hacking in a Game, sorry if i choose the wrong words for that (english is not my native language).

But tell me please where i tried to find excuses for People who cheat or hack when i said " buying a Xim adapter which conferts M/K singnals into a Controller signal, which just lets your console think you using a controller if in reality you not, this might can considererd as cheating" ?

@faceyourdemon ok, then it shouldnt be a problem for you to find such videos which are not either completely fake and only promote a hack/cheat which in the end is just a virus/trojan, or either got recorded on a pc. If so send them my way :)

Edit: But before we open up the box of the pandora here about "hacking on xbox" i rather redirect you to a Forum post which sums this Topic up quiet well.

https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/54656/cheating-in-sot-on-xbox-one-is-not-a-thing

@lc-slyder said in Xbox only frustration.:

@cotu42 im sorry if you might missunderstood me, im not meaning the definition of word it self rather what most people think of that when they hear about hacking in a Game, sorry if i choose the wrong words for that (english is not my native language).

But tell me please where i tried to find excuses for People who cheat or hack when i said " buying a Xim adapter which conferts M/K singnals into a Controller signal, which just lets your console think you using a controller if in reality you not, this might can considererd as cheating" ?

Yes, that is cheating and hacking - you literally bought a third party hardware system with a chip that runs software that is converting the input of a mouse and keyboard to pretend it's a controller.

In Sea of Thieves it is even only used to by-pass an option that is supposed to limit the input model that you can use on a Xbox (since it is Xbox only) since the game has official support for the input model. Why use an external bit of hardware to avoid the official supported implementation? Because you are trying to by-pass the limitations of the option, to avoid the security measures in place... to cheat the system in allowing you to join servers that you were told you couldn't with the setup of your choice.

You might not realize but what you are describing is one if not the most used cheating method used on consoles.

Xbox consoles are harder to cheat with, due to the manner in which the operating system is setup. It is a closed system and therefore easier to secure, yet this does not make it impossible.

Though I personally believe that the severity of the cheat can differ, some are useless while others are totally game breaking and everything in between. Yet cheating in multiplayer games, even minor ones are not cool in my opinion, as you are not playing alone and therefore should just play by the rules.

Don't get me wrong: I have cheated, I have hacked... yet those were always single player games, where I am not influencing the experience of others. It is an interesting aspect of software and games, but not something that has a place in a multiplayer environment in which it is not permitted. If you want a multiplayer in which cheating is acceptable and even encouraged there are places for it. One of the most famous places to go hack and cheat is the 2b2t anarchy Minecraft server.

@captgraykid Try again.

@krogie666 said in Xbox only frustration.:

My friends and I play on PC but we all use an Xbox Controller to play.

In Sea of Thieves it is even only used to by-pass an option that is supposed to limit the input model that you can use on a Xbox (since it is Xbox only) since the game has official support for the input model. Why use an external bit of hardware to avoid the official supported implementation? Because you are trying to by-pass the limitations of the option, to avoid the security measures in place... to cheat the system in allowing you to join servers that you were told you couldn't with the setup of your choice.

Xbox consoles are harder to cheat with, due to the manner in which the operating system is setup. It is a closed system and therefore easier to secure, yet this does not make it impossible.

Im not sure why you thought , that you had to explain that to me about how a Xim adapter works and why some people use them. Im pretty much aware of such spoof device on console like xim,cronus etc. Personally played allot esports in a team in Battlefield 4 times and yeahhh... they always where a pain to deal with, especially in FPS games. But a chronus or xim will never be as painful to deal with than ESP, Aimbot, Wallhack, and yet i have to see someone on xbox who uses second mentioned software. And correct, nothing is impossible but that dosnt mean someone managed it so far to get it working, at least in a larger scale not just one person.

@lc-slyder

Why I might explain exactly what we are talking about? Maybe because not everyone knows what it is and you clearly believe it is all in the clear, not hacking... while it just is flat out hacking. I cannot state that based on your posts that you get what these things actually do and what they are, so I clarified to ensure we are on the same page.

I have stated above that I do believe that the severity and impact of a cheat can differ, yet...

• Does it matter what the cheat is?
• How game breaking the cheat is?
  If you cheat in multiplayer games that is it - you are cheating, no ifs or buts. If I would run cheats to be able to join xbox servers on a PC... I doubt people would go, ooh well it is just him joining our severs, he is playing with a controller and nothing else... it isn't cheating. No... the xbox console users would rise up, grab those pitchforks and call me a PC Cheating ... more colorful language.

I find it out of this world that console users think that because they use a closed system, that regardless of what they do; we aren't cheating, cheating is only for PC players. Nah... PC is easier, therefore more common, but there are individuals that love the challenge of closed systems. Hacking and cheating, the development of these tools usually isn't done by dedicated gamers, they are hackers and well specific type of gamers will pay them to provide them with these tools.

I don't own a Xbox One, I have no idea how wide spread the cheats are, how easy they are to purchase or anything... what can I say I know how cheats work, how they could be done and the impact they might have. If you want insight on how big the hacking and cheating community is on a platform, what best way would be to approach it or get them... You are asking the wrong person; I am a gamer, when I play with others I play fair and square.

I don't cheat on the regular and never purchased them nor ever have to deal with avoiding detection; because when I do it, I am on my own system in my own little bubble - just having fun with it out of my own curiosity without influencing or negatively impacting others. I don't do it to gain an advantage or win, it is literally just to see what I can do.

@seedeathmore said in Xbox only frustration.:

firstly the specs massively differentiate across xbox and PC's purposely made for gaming, xbox tends to be locked at 30FPS across all games whilst PC is not, loading times are massively unfair as well, for example loading back from the ferry of the damned, you gain an advantage as a PC user, secondly creating more server options, as you said PC using controller matched with xbox players with controllers, would simply split up the player base to much in the long run.

Have you ever looked at the system requirements?

The fact is that Xbox is on 4k at 30 FPS also considered above recommended requirements, yet it is the average PC that is so out of line with xbox?

The fact is that Xbox has multiple version, a new generation coming out. Meaning that even Xbox has specification differences between them, with the gap increasing by a lot in the winter - including your FPS argument.

The fact is also that the input model is a choice for everyone, those that argue that it is not fair because of hardware... yet have no problems with Xbox with Mouse and Keyboard being excluded from the opt out.

If input is to important it needs separation the question is why exclude the PC players?
If hardware is to important it needs separation, the question is why do you exclude your own Xbox community when they use a mouse and keyboard?

Those that defend this option without remorse, do not care about logic, fairness or equal opportunities; you complain about separation of the community, yet you are dead set of keeping the Opt-Out as exclusive as possible; use all criteria to make a server to match a specific set of preferences (want to join, be ready to buy a Xbox - while if we state want better FPS buy a PC is out of line), this is what we call elitist behavior, it is selfish and inconsiderate.

@xultanis-dragon hahaha

@seedeathmore said in Xbox only frustration.:

@cotu42 what are you trying to prove there? its undeniable that there is a rather noticeable difference between the xbox and PC loading times (don't get me wrong it varies due to PC specs and all) heck i have a one x and quite oftenly get stuck on a black screen loading off the ferry of the damned for close enough a minute, sometimes more.. and that's without the boat being sunk (which tends to make loading times longer when it does occur).
PvP wise it is unfair even if they are using a controller, but nothing can really be done about that of course. ^

Once again you are making assumptions:

1. Does the PC have a SSD?
2. Does the Xbox have an external SSD?

Nothing can be done? Just buy an external SSD and you are pretty much just as fast. You act like load time differences are related to the console versus PC while the reality is: How fast is the hard drive that you use?

Once again a difference that can be found within the Xbox console environment, just as much as in the PC environment.

People act like PC players are not used to hardware differences, while we have been dealing with the largest variety since the beginning of time. The reality is: Money buys better equipment! Shocking news I know.

If you grab a top of the line PC with all the new parts it will be way faster, yet you do realize most people that play on a PC do not play on a multi-thousand euro setup or upgrade their setup each year?

not once did i say i don't want PC players using controllers to have PvP interactions with console users due to the controller input they have chosen to use, its the factors beyond that which are the 'issue'.

Euhm... so what about the xbox players using a mouse and keyboard? The issues are beyond that of the input, that you have chosen to use! Ooh snap... you forgot that Xbox actually supports both input devices yet the opt out is input based as well?

That was my whole darn point, read the post!