Losing your emissary flag

I actually like this idea.

Maybe keep the bonus the same once its replaced, but provide half payment when lowering it as a "Damaged Flag"

@isaacmarteen13 i dont think you should be rewarded at all once you sink. With such a high reward you need a high risk.

Plus doing so would let you scuttle at 5, grab your flag, hit 5 again and get an infinite ammount of guilded voyages.

@isaacmarteen13 Agreed, I really like the idea of there being a reason to recover your flag after sinking. I think it's kind of cool to incentivize people to take revenge on whoever sank them. I'm also not able to think of any ways this can be abused, honestly.

I do appreciate that emissaries have put values back on ships. Its no longer about going back and getting your loot because the kracken got you, or ramming with everyone boarding. You need to protect the boat.

@galactic-geek it doesn't work that way and thats why the current set up is good.

My comment was taken out of context in that i was explaining what could happen if you could put your own flag back up

@rattlyfob I think what could be done is that if your boat was sunk by either an encounter like a skeleton ship/meg/kraken or another player then you can put it back, but if you scuttled then it doesn’t let you? That might be a solution.

@isaacmarteen13 or just dont sink?

You can still die on purpose to those encounters to abuse the system

I prefer it how it is.
It means your ship’s life matters.

Need those multipliers then you gotta protect your ship.

Makes it more tense.
With a crew, your priority should be survival anyways.

@rattlyfob I think they could probably find a way, I dunno, but it was just a suggestion

@daringclarky I agree, but when all the reapers emissarys are galleons it would be nice to have a system to try and steal the flag back

@isaacmarteen13 I think i would prefer the tension of keeping your ship alive. If you sunk the ship that sank you then it is as if you were never sunk to begin with.

There would be no consequence.

@teddybear09 ahem, the context to the post is that if you were able to put your flag back up if sunk. If you would be able to do so you could imediately earn the rewards of regaining that emissary grade.

If this was the case, then it would be faster than putting down the flag and raising it again as well as grabbing enough treasure to earn grade 5 again.

@isaacmarteen13 I've been wanting this SO bad! Not that I want to admit this, but in the last two weeks I've made two crucial, accidental and tremendously stupid mistakes at level 4 emissary where I've caused kegs to blow my sloop up (out there soloing). Depending on the location of the boom, you can't get back from the ferry in time to save your ship. I just did this last night (again, not that I want to admit it) and thankfully was able to save all the loot with the rowboat that the almighty Whale Lord (shout out to HitboTC) graced unto me from the island I was at. If not, I'd have lost it all.

This is a situation where I didn't lose a battle but just made a mistake. Having to run back through to get to level 4 again is exhausting. That said, I don't think losing your flag (and returning it), regardless of whether it was by your fault or someone else's, should go unpunished. My suggestion would be that if you sink your sink, whether your fault or another persons and your flag comes off, but you retrieve it, you shouldn't lose all your progress but maybe get bumped down. Using my example, if I was at level 4, I should get bumped to level 3.

One may try to argue that if you are at level 5, you can get the voyages, blow your ship up, retrieve your flag, bump back up to level 5 then get more voyages. Obviously to avoid this kind of heresy....nay PIRACY(!), the devs would have to code this somehow to recognize that you are still on the level 5 voyages from before and you must lower the flag and restart to gain voyages again, or perhaps just keep the flag at level 5 once it gets there. I think it can be done and with enough pushing, we as the community, will one day get it!

@teddybear09 I understand what you mean, but the difference is that while yes you have to sail to your flag, you also would (if implemented as proposed) recieve the grade you had prior to being sunk. This means you could skip the time it takes to get to grade 5.

I'd love to have this feature honestly. Especially if it just bumps me down a grade.

Was just solo slooping and almost had my Gold Hoarder flag to V. Was at an island doing a quest to get the last bit of loot to bump me to V and the server changed. That's fine. Whatever, i'll just be careful to watch the horizon.

Then the Flameheart event literally spawned on the island I was at! No joke. Got away but was unable to save the ship before it sunk. Rowbot saved my loot, but since not grade IV anymore and no way to reattach flag, I am now taking a break. It's just disheartening really. Let me put it back on and just set me back a grade. Would've played another few hours.

No, it should not be changed. High reward at a high risk. That is how emssaries work, why people don't get it?. If you lose the ship, then you are not good enough to honour the trading company you represent.

This game is already very kind to the players that lose, giving you a new fresh ship in a minute, with a chance to get your loot back. If the crew that sank you are way too better than you, you will be sunk again, therefore, you don't deserve flying your flag back. Move on, or move to another server.

If you are not confident enough to fly an emissary flag, don't do it until you are prepared. The grind will be more tedious, but this game is about going on adventures, and has a learning curve. Don't get obsessed and enjoy the ride. Next time, you'll do it better.

Sinking and losing loot is part of the game. It's not that hard.

You absolutely should be able to reattach your emissary flag if you recover it. Why on earth not? Here's the flag. There's the hole. It's nonsensical that this isn't a thing. It should only work for your flag (obviously), and perhaps only within a certain time limit. But it should be possible.

This would also increase the urgency regarding flag recovery and capture. It's a win-win as I see it.

i agree , flag should be allowed to reattached even if you would lose a level or two. couple of days ago we have an emissary flag leveled to 5 , but then the ship glitched on top a building in the outpost we tried to use gunpowder barrels unstuck it . we managed to get it off the building but it was still on the land , one other barrel would've moved it to the waters . but then it magically disappeared and we lost our flag because of it . we could easily recover the flag , but no there is no way to reattached it, so we just ended our play session with frustration .

Was going to post this and then did a google search and found it was already a thread, so bringing this back.

The ability to reattach your emissary flag would add a whole 'nother level of high-stakes play, whether it's bustling back to pick up a flag lost by a Kraken, or taking on that reaper ship who sunk you and stole it.

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@prescafatty said in Losing your emissary flag:

Was going to post this and then did a google search and found it was already a thread, so bringing this back.

The ability to reattach your emissary flag would add a whole 'nother level of high-stakes play, whether it's bustling back to pick up a flag lost by a Kraken, or taking on that reaper ship who sunk you and stole it.

Incorrect, the risk in the emissary system is sinking, period. You sink you lose the bonus, you stay afloat and get your reward.

@genuine-heather said in Losing your emissary flag:

You absolutely should be able to reattach your emissary flag if you recover it. Why on earth not? Here's the flag. There's the hole. It's nonsensical that this isn't a thing. It should only work for your flag (obviously), and perhaps only within a certain time limit. But it should be possible.

This would also increase the urgency regarding flag recovery and capture. It's a win-win as I see it.

As long as it would be temporary, and the flag still shows on the map, why not? I'd say you should get back half your level to keep the urgency factor and stake of not wanting to lose it in the first place though.